OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Don't Cry Because It's Over, Smile Because it Happened (Offseason - 2023)
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FLYguy3911
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For what people were expecting, it’s solid. But it is a pro day time at a track known to be fast. You’re buying the agilities.
DancingPanther
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Chinatown88
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JojoTheWhale
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JojoTheWhale
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4.60 is generally my cutoff for guys I’m not expecting to win deep. Ideally 4.55 is your soft cutoff, and 4.6 is the hard.
4.6 seems to be the floor for very good+ NFLers. I believe Anquan Boldin is still the only guy to run slower and turn into a player of that quality this century. He was drafted 20 years ago. 4.35 to 4.55 is where the overwhelming majority of home runs sat.
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Dilfer was hilarious. All he had to do was not hand the ball off directly to the other team and then block his own guys after, and that defense was going to win.
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I remember Boldin having a slow start off the line. And also separation being completely irrelevant because he was a ball-absorbing singularity. He reliably won triple-covered arm punts. I always thought he was underrated due to lack of flash. He wasn't flashy but he was inevitable.
JojoTheWhale
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Note that it’s only data since 2011. But this is super useful.
Flybynite
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Why is center at 0? Doesnt drafting a center in the 2nd round last year count?
JojoTheWhale
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For some reason, the data has him as a Guard. 4 G = Watkins, Seumalo, Dickerson, and it must be Jurgens.
I’m going to guess his position was updated for this coming year. I think that’s bad process, but I think it’s what happened.
FLYguy3911
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IOL should be a grouping these days anyway. Dickerson was technically a center also.
I thought edge would've been higher. My memory is booty.
Note that it’s only data since 2011. But this is super useful.
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Note that it’s only data since 2011. But this is super useful.
That center data is fascinating. Do teams just take the best guards and tackles and move them to center if they can't cut it?
FLYguy3911
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College tackle to NFL center is rare, but it does happen for guys with really shorts arms.
I think it's more that the best lineman usually playing tackle in high school and gradually move closer to the ball due to size, athleticism, or just a relative lack of talent. The guys with it all stick at tackle and have fewer concerns so they go higher in the draft.
JojoTheWhale
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Well it looks to me like Marcus Smith was counted as a LB. It’s consistent because he ended up there. Coming out, he would have been classified at EDGE.
Plus the data starts in 2011. If it included 2010, that would add Graham and Daniel Te’o-Nesheim.
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With WRs, speed matters only as a cutoff, even size is overrated. Can't be so slow that the CB has time to recover.
Quickness, hands, body control, route running, RAC, all more important than straight line (40) speed.
With two deep common these days, how many WRs can run past people and locate the deep ball on a regular basis and win a jump ball? It's the guys who combine quickness and speed, and know how to lull a safety to sleep then turn on the after jets who get open deep (DeSean, Hill), not the guys who are fast with no deception.
QBs have to get rid of the ball under 3 seconds on most plays, in pads, given that you're not starting out of a track stance but standing up, I doubt the fastest WR reaches 20 yards out before the QB releases the ball. (deep balls require a leap of faith, throwing the ball before or just as the WR makes his move and letting him run under it),
So most passes tend to be in the 10-20 yard range and basically require the WR to either have a feel for the soft spot in a zone or being able to make that one well timed cut that creates separation.
Marvin Harrison had great speed, but what made him a great WR was running the entire route tree.
Isaac Bruce was timed at 4.6, but was an elite route runner.
Quickness, hands, body control, route running, RAC, all more important than straight line (40) speed.
With two deep common these days, how many WRs can run past people and locate the deep ball on a regular basis and win a jump ball? It's the guys who combine quickness and speed, and know how to lull a safety to sleep then turn on the after jets who get open deep (DeSean, Hill), not the guys who are fast with no deception.
QBs have to get rid of the ball under 3 seconds on most plays, in pads, given that you're not starting out of a track stance but standing up, I doubt the fastest WR reaches 20 yards out before the QB releases the ball. (deep balls require a leap of faith, throwing the ball before or just as the WR makes his move and letting him run under it),
So most passes tend to be in the 10-20 yard range and basically require the WR to either have a feel for the soft spot in a zone or being able to make that one well timed cut that creates separation.
Marvin Harrison had great speed, but what made him a great WR was running the entire route tree.
Isaac Bruce was timed at 4.6, but was an elite route runner.
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deadhead
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I'm only talking about that "2nd gear," both have that, a lot of fast WRs don't.
Chinatown88
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Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 3727482 times shame on the Hivemind™?
BrindamoursNose
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My baby boy wants to go RB over EDGE at 10
I should've spanked him as a child
Who was the last R1 RB to put a team they were drafted on over the edge for a title?
I should've spanked him as a child
Who was the last R1 RB to put a team they were drafted on over the edge for a title?
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Chinatown88
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Hollywood Cannon
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JojoTheWhale
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OK FINE. I'LL WATCH IOWA. Stupid draft.
It's one thing when the boredom is spiced up with the chaos of live sports. Watching Iowa games that have already happened is the type of thing that makes you re-evaluate your life.
It's one thing when the boredom is spiced up with the chaos of live sports. Watching Iowa games that have already happened is the type of thing that makes you re-evaluate your life.
This pick screams Howie but he'll probably go higher as it seems like everyone knows about him now. Could have been a Mailata kind of pick.
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