Confirmed with Link: [PHI/WPG] Kevin Hayes UFA rights for a 2019 5th

[bobbythebrain]

Patrick is being dealt?

Giroux should stay at wing. He’s much better there at this point in his career imo. Flyers need to do everything in their power to extend that career.

Yes, I think there's a possibility

 

[Jtown]

The Kadri point however is a good one. I may not agree with it, but the club is at the point where they do have to try and compete now.

To do that they did need to bring in another centerman after Nolan’s struggles and the unknown in Frost.

If I had to choose between overpaying for Hayes, or having to give up more assets for a better guy like Kadri I guess I can talk myself into being okay with Hayes.

Duchene would have been the ideal.

There is nothing to indicate this team is ready to win

 

[The Madrigal]

I've made the Bozak point, as well, and I think it's an apt one.

Hayes will only be 27 and is an improving player just hitting his prime. He's got a lot of good years left. Bozak's deal takes Bozak through his age 34 season, and it was worth it for St. Louis. And they didn't even get prime Bozak.

Exactly and that is the point I was making. The Blues paid 5 million for three years of Bozak likely on declining years at 32 years old. On the flip side the Flyers giving Hayes six years means they are most likely paying for four prime years and then the last two years take him up to Bozak's age of 32. Again I am not going to say that Hayes at 6/36 is good value but it would be fair market value. We will have to wait and see what he gets though, it wouldn't surprise to me to see him get more since the Islanders gave Nelson 6/36.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Yes, I think there's a possibility

I think he’s kind of the perfect 2/3C right now. Shit load of potential.

Only way I see it is if they do indeed sign Duchene.

 

[Rebels57]

If we're on pace for ~105-110 points and have a need and can get a guy for 2 playoff runs, then sure.

How do we go from an 82 point team to one pacing for 105-110 points with Patrick/Laughton as the 2C/3C?

 

[Jtown]

Yes, I think there's a possibility

It would have to be a significant return. Someone floated the idea of patrick for laine. Im not in favor of that

 

[FlyerNutter]

There is nothing to indicate this team is ready to win

Fully agree. I think Dave Scott, and Clarke/Homer think differently however.

 

[Rebels57]

Yes, I think there's a possibility

Take less drugs.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Not sure why you think this is a bad move?

1. Hayes doesn't move the needle - he doesn't significantly improve us. I mean "significantly" - he's just not that good.
2. Losing a 5th-round pick, in isolation, is no big deal. But we lived through Holmgren, and we have seen Fletch undervaluing picks in the past. Call it a potential red flag. Having a stocked prospect pool is great, but it only takes a relatively short time before it starts to be depleted.
3. I ****ing hate Kevin Hayes.
4. He's the physical manifestation of the music of Nickelback.

I don't know, there are more reasons, but what's the point? We're stuck with him now.

 

[Rebels57]

I think he’s kind of the perfect 2/3C right now. **** load of potential.

Only way I see it is if they do indeed sign Duchene.

Patrick aint going nowhere.

Like Hayes or not, he was acquired to improve center depth, not replace a center. Trading Patrick would be incredibly stupid at the moment.

 

[The Madrigal]

I'm not positive Duchene is better. I'm reasonably certain he's not significantly better.

I agree and I think people are fooling themselves if they don't think Duchene is going to get an aav of 9+ million on the open market next month.

 

[Jtown]

How do we go from an 82 point team to one pacing for 105-110 points with Patrick/Laughton as the 2C/3C?

When Patrick starts playing at the level of a second overall pick

 

[FlyerNutter]

When Patrick starts playing at the level of a second overall pick

lol if Kakko gets more points than him next year I’m losing my shit.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'm not gonna say it again, Dave.

You keep saying these things that make me think that you think you can scare me

 

[baudib1]

How do we go from an 82 point team to one pacing for 105-110 points with Patrick/Laughton as the 2C/3C?

Sign Panarin/Karlsson, trade for Spurgeon, and Frost plays 3C.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Three things.

1. Hayes is a good player.
2. Hayes is going to get overpaid.
3. Nobody owes you anything in this league.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He’s the more skilled guy when it comes to creating offence, and a much better skater.

It’s about fit too, even with the overpayment I think Duchene does a hell of a lot more to move this group of guys forward than a North/South guy in Hayes.

He's flashier, yes. All I care about is effectiveness.

I'm glad you mentioned fit. How much of the offense from Duchene comes on the PP? Would he play PP1 here?

I haven't checked today, but if I recall correctly, Hayes is good on Entries but Duchene is still a solid bit better. That definitely matters on this team.

 

[The Madrigal]

1. Hayes doesn't move the needle - he doesn't significantly improve us. I mean "significantly" - he's just not that good.
2. Losing a 5th-round pick, in isolation, is no big deal. But we lived through Holmgren, and we have seen Fletch undervaluing picks in the past. Call it a potential red flag. Having a stocked prospect pool is great, but it only takes a relatively short time before it starts to be depleted.
3. I ****ing hate Kevin Hayes.
4. He's the physical manifestation of the music of Nickelback.

I don't know, there are more reasons, but what's the point? We're stuck with him now.

With such a well thought out, rational, and reasonable thought process I'm really surprised people aren't taking your thoughts on this move more seriously. Especially the point in bold, that is some high level reasoning and hockey discussion right there.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Well said. This move not only doesn't bury Patrick, it enables him to develop at his pace with less pressure and likely easier match ups. There is plenty of room for both Hayes and Patrick behind Couturier to be productive and have success on this team. Most successful NHL team have three very good centers. I just don't understand how some people don't like the idea of a 1-2-3 punch of Couturier, Hayes, Patrick at center. That is a great blend of size, two-way play, production, etc and it makes the Flyers a better team.

The goal should be to have 3 good centers. Strength down the middle is of the utmost importance; center is the most important position on each line.

When the Flyers won the Cup, they had Clarke-MacLeish-Lonsberry down the middle. In 03/04, they had Primeau, Roenick, Handzus. In 07/08, they had Carter, Richards, Briere.

Sometimes I feel like fans are happy to settle with average or "good enough." If you want to be a really good team, you should want outstanding depth down the middle. Backstrom-Kuznetsov. Crosby-Malkin. Matthews-Tavares. Bergeron-Krajci. Those are just a few of the combinations you are up against in the East.

Patrick as a 2C just doesn't cut it at this point in his career. Now, adding a good 2C in Hayes and having Patrick as a 3C with upside? Much deeper, better team, and much less pressure on Patrick.

 

[Jtown]

1. Hayes doesn't move the needle - he doesn't significantly improve us. I mean "significantly" - he's just not that good.
2. Losing a 5th-round pick, in isolation, is no big deal. But we lived through Holmgren, and we have seen Fletch undervaluing picks in the past. Call it a potential red flag. Having a stocked prospect pool is great, but it only takes a relatively short time before it starts to be depleted.
3. I ****ing hate Kevin Hayes.
4. He's the physical manifestation of the music of Nickel back.

I don't know, there are more reasons, but what's the point? We're stuck with him now.

Hfboards designated poet laureate

 

[Jtown]

lol if Kakko gets more points than him next year I’m losing my ****.

Then it will be time to seriously worry. I still have faith

 

[Starat327]

You keep saying these things that make me think that you think you can scare me

I hope another tornado knocks your internet out and the first thing you see when you get it back is that the blues won the cup. And the second thing you see is that liverpool was stripped of the CL victory because of an Alberto Moren PED usage.

 

[Rebels57]

Sign Panarin/Karlsson, trade for Spurgeon, and Frost plays 3C.

Panarin has been a lock for Florida with Bobrovsky for weeks if not months. Q hiring cemented that further.

Karlsson could still be in play but is believed to want to play for Tampa or New York.

Spurgeon is still realistic.

 

[Tripod]

You underestimate the incompetence of NHL coaches.



He played well enough to deserve better than that.

Patrick had 11 points in 38 games up to mid Jan. He flat out needed to produce more. He is a #2 pick after all.

I believe in him and think he could be better than Hayes as early as next year. But he certainly has not shown he will be.

 

[The Madrigal]

The goal should be to have 3 good centers. Strength down the middle is of the utmost importance; center is the most important position on each line.

When the Flyers won the Cup, they had Clarke-MacLeish-Lonsberry down the middle. In 03/04, they had Primeau, Roenick, Handzus. In 07/08, they had Carter, Richards, Briere.

Sometimes I feel like fans are happy to settle with average or "good enough." If you want to be a really good team, you should want outstanding depth down the middle. Backstrom-Kuznetsov. Crosby-Malkin. Matthews-Tavares. Bergeron-Krajci. Those are just a few of the combinations you are up against in the East.

Patrick as a 2C just doesn't cut it at this point in his career. Now, adding a good 2C in Hayes and having Patrick as a 3C with upside? Much deeper, better team, and much less pressure on Patrick.

Absolutely. The Flyers weren't competing in the east with Patrick as their second line center and a question mark at third line center.