Confirmed Trade: [PHI/NSH/VGK] Ryan Ellis to PHI, Cody Glass and Philippe Myers to NSH, Nolan Patrick to VGK

[FlameChampion]

Wasn’t Patrick a 2oa recently? f***! Vegas kills it again.

2 ov? Patrick is no Yakupov.

 

[sasha barkov]

Why do so many people seem to think Glass is a lock to become a 2C yet Patrick has 0 chance?

Its weird lol... I bet you if the draft positions were swapped the narrative would be different.

Obviously Patrick has had injury issues but so has Glass.

That makes no sense because Glass was drafted after Patrick

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

that was some great work by the Flyers. Huge win for them

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Philly wanted Ellis, the best player in the deal. But he, and his contact, will age similar to Brent Burns based on playing style. However Ellis is smaller so maybe he ages better.

And Nashville moves a big contract for a solid NHL Dman and a top prospect in need of a change of scenery. Not bad.

Burns had an 83 point season aged 33 and is still over .5PPG on an awful team, how exactly can you imagine Ellis aging better than that?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Sorry, I’m not a fan of any of these teams involved so please forgive my ignorance. How is swapping Glass for Patrick good for Vegas?

Doesn’t glass arguably have a higher ceiling and is more immediately cost-controlled?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Well, at first glance, I have to give Fletch some credit for this one.

I only wish we could've done it a week or two earlier and gotten Arvidsson with him somehow!

 

[JKG33]

Why do so many people seem to think Glass is a lock to become a 2C yet Patrick has 0 chance?

Its weird lol... I bet you if the draft positions were swapped the narrative would be different.

Obviously Patrick has had injury issues but so has Glass.

Exactly, they were picked a few spots apart in the same draft. You'd think Patrick was 27 and hadn't done anything while Glass was a 19 yr old one year removed from the draft.

 

[Asinine]

The electronic dance party Patrick will be playing in at the T-Mobile Arena will surely do wonders for his migraines.

 

[MaxDummy]

How the f*** does Vegas play Nosek between Pacioretty and Stone instead of testing Glass there AND trade him after for Patrick who's made of freaking glass

 

[HuGo Sham]

Maybe Flyers fans can chime in, but if Patrick stays healthy his pro numbers are better than Glass'. It looks like a change of scenery move for two high picks, but I don't see how Patrick is this bad?

 

[thrillermiller89]

Burns had an 83 point season aged 33 and is still over .5PPG on an awful team, how exactly can you imagine Ellis aging better than that?

Points aren’t everything. Burns plays using his size quite a bit so his body is more at risk to slowing down and breaking down as opposed to the smaller, faster, cheaper, younger Ellis.

 

[phil162888]

The thing is, Myers has shown flashes of being very good. He's not a dime-a-dozen guy...yet.

Last season wasn't good for him, sadly. But he can become the best player in this deal potentially. I'm not betting on that, but it isn't out of question that this 6 foot 5 RHD can progress further. Still young.

Upside for Nashville and Vegas is huge but so is the downside. Great move by the Flyers to secure a top 2 dman. Flyers needed to make a move like this as they have a ton of good young players that could be great players but most have been too inconsistent. Flyers needed to take the risk to improve next season.

Preds could make out like bandits if Glass becomes a top 2C and Myers improves in a better system (kid can fly for a giant just needs to shore up in his own end and play tougher).

Patrick has been an absolute disaster but with Mccrimmon in Vegas maybe he gains his confidence stays healthy and emerges into a 1C or 2C (doubtful but stranger things have happened).

Ellis some risk because of injuries, size length of contract but we may have finally found someone similar to Kimmo (who was an amazing Flyer).

 

[Some Other Flame]

Glass for Patrick is gonna be one of those highly contested trades that end up being a bust for a bust isn't it

 

[IranCondraAffair]

that was some great work by the Flyers. Huge win for them

For the first 2-3 seasons absolutely, but after that when you have a 6M 3rd pairing, 33 year old defenseman everyone goes to the other side and says "Can you believe what Vegas/Nashville did?"

Happens all the time.

 

[Drumman44]

Why the f*** would you punt on Glass. Lunacy

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

For the first 2-3 seasons absolutely, but after that when you have a 6M 3rd pairing, 33 year old defenseman everyone goes to the other side and says "Can you believe what Vegas/Nashville did?"

Happens all the time.

I don't think Patrick or Myers will ever touch the impact that Ellis has. 2 seasons of high level play is on the pessimistic side

 

[NinjaTurtle]

Why the hell would Vegas do this? I know the kid is unproven but I’m at a loss here.

Vegas GM Kelly McCrimmon was Nolan’s head coach in junior. He must know exactly what potential he had and is hoping to unlock it.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

For the first 2-3 seasons absolutely, but after that when you have a 6M 3rd pairing, 33 year old defenseman everyone goes to the other side and says "Can you believe what Vegas/Nashville did?"

Happens all the time.

And as we are well aware, there's always a way around that heavy AAV by the end (LTIR)

I've given up stressing over the backend of these contracts.

 

[NobleSix]

Not a fan of Patrick at all, but this deal looks worse than it is because people still believe Glass is better than he really is.

 

[Hansem1979]

Yeah that’s seemingly pretty bad for Vegas unless they believe Patrick is going to find his health and game he was drafted to be.

Problem is Patrick wasn’t overwhelmingly good even when he was healthy, probably one of the worse second pick in recent history

 

[IranCondraAffair]

And as we are well aware, there's always a way around that heavy AAV by the end (LTIR)

I've given up stressing over the backend of these contracts.

Yeah, it is hard to say "team X is screwed" with any degree of certainty. I was pretty convinced that was the Islanders last offseason and then "poof" Boychuk is on LTIR.

All that LTIR though is going to eat into insurance premiums so I think the league will put a stop to it soon.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

9pts and -30 is an upgrade? Jesus christ is Cody Glass the worst player to ever play hockey?

You realize he put up 30 and 31 points the previous seasons though right? And then was having his head issues

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Points aren’t everything. Burns plays using his size quite a bit so his body is more at risk to slowing down and breaking down as opposed to the smaller, faster, cheaper, younger Ellis.

You're aware that Burns is 4 years older than Ellis and that you don't have to talk about risk when you already know how his last four years under contract went, right? They have still been pretty good and it doesn't make sense to expect Ellis to hold up even better than that as a baseline. It might happen, but it's far from a guarantee.

 

[Oblivion Beckons]

Vegas got rid of Glass because he is a reminder of their failure in the Suzuki trade.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Why do so many people seem to think Glass is a lock to become a 2C yet Patrick has 0 chance?

Its weird lol... I bet you if the draft positions were swapped the narrative would be different.

Obviously Patrick has had injury issues but so has Glass.

Everyone just prays for any chance they can to rag on VGK lol