Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Final 2022, First 2023 Edition]

[mr4tno]

Is over a point/game enough for Lycksell to get an NHL shot?

He did get a shot. Inital reports are the Flyers "brain" trust loved how he warmed the seats in the press box watching the the mickey mouse trio of ND-Brown_MacNothing......

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Is over a point/game enough for Lycksell to get an NHL shot?

Can't be messing around with rookies, we have an 8th seed to miss by 15pts.

 

[mr4tno]

Are Ratcliffe and Wisdom hurt? No matter how they are developing they should be playing over O'"Really?", Wilson, Brooks, Willman, Hodgson.....

 

[Larry44]

Is over a point/game enough for Lycksell to get an NHL shot?

Risks making the regulars look bad.

 

[deadhead]

Prospect alert! I pointed out a week ago that Avon was starting to get hot, missed his OHL season two years ago, signed after a good showing in camp as a UFA, 6'0 181 at 18 is a good frame for a player with speed.`
July birthday, so missing a year really had him behind his peers.
So-so season last year, slow start this year, but last ten games: 8-9 17 +11.

Don't think they're gonna sign JOB, at 23, 18g 2-11 13 -3, compare to 18 year old Kaplan on the same team, 19g 4-8 12 +7.

Ginning 30g 2-9 11 +17 - Wylie +5, Hogberg +3, other D-men are negative.
Either he's the luckiest player in the AHL, or he's doing something right.

 

[Magua]

Either he's the luckiest player in the AHL, or he's doing something right.

You act like you just discovered +/- (30 games!) and didn’t watch the much longer career of Bob Hogg. He’s probably being torched in possession. We get it — you’re licking your chops for this plug to prove us all wrong. Don’t worry, the organization is licking their chops too.

 

[deadhead]

You act like you just discovered +/- (30 games!) and didn’t watch the much longer career of Bob Hogg. He’s probably being torched in possession. We get it — you’re licking your chops for this plug to prove us all wrong. Don’t worry, the organization is licking their chops too.

We'll see. From what I've seen of Ginning so far, he looks like a solid defensive defenseman who makes good exit passes and is careful with the puck. Not a dynamic player by any means, but a decent skater. He may turn out to be Hagg with a brain.

But +17 in 30 games on a team where all the other D-men hover around zero is pretty impressive.
Sure, it could be a statistical fluke, but odds say that's a low probability event given the size of the outlier.

 

[04hockey]

We'll see. From what I've seen of Ginning so far, he looks like a solid defensive defenseman who makes good exit passes and is careful with the puck. Not a dynamic player by any means, but a decent skater. He may turn out to be Hagg with a brain.

But +17 in 30 games on a team where all the other D-men hover around zero is pretty impressive.
Sure, it could be a statistical fluke, but odds say that's a low probability event given the size of the outlier.

boy, that's nice to hear .....that's no accident

 

[mr4tno]

Prospect alert! I pointed out a week ago that Avon was starting to get hot, missed his OHL season two years ago, signed after a good showing in camp as a UFA, 6'0 181 at 18 is a good frame for a player with speed.`
July birthday, so missing a year really had him behind his peers.
So-so season last year, slow start this year, but last ten games: 8-9 17 +11.

Don't think they're gonna sign JOB, at 23, 18g 2-11 13 -3, compare to 18 year old Kaplan on the same team, 19g 4-8 12 +7.

Ginning 30g 2-9 11 +17 - Wylie +5, Hogberg +3, other D-men are negative.
Either he's the luckiest player in the AHL, or he's doing something right.

He does lead the team in shots, so he is getting/making chances. Is it bad luck or a bad shot? If it is bad luck what would his stats look like with a slightly improved shooting %. He did not play in one of the games this weekend...

Meanwhile Gauthier had 1G 1A with 9 shots in his return..

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[Beef Invictus]

We'll see. From what I've seen of Ginning so far, he looks like a solid defensive defenseman who makes good exit passes and is careful with the puck. Not a dynamic player by any means, but a decent skater. He may turn out to be Hagg with a brain.

But +17 in 30 games on a team where all the other D-men hover around zero is pretty impressive.
Sure, it could be a statistical fluke, but odds say that's a low probability event given the size of the outlier.

If that is what he is in the AHL he's doomed in the NHL.

 

[04hockey]

Flyers "D" may be shaping up.....
TDA + York for the "O"
Provy + Sanheim for their two way game
Ginning + Attard for the "D"
Seeler #7
not too shabby

If that is what he is in the AHL he's doomed in the NHL.

always the pessimist

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers "D" may be shaping up.....
TDA + York for the "O"
Provy + Sanheim for their two way game
Ginning + Attard for the "D"
Seeler #7
not too shabby


always the pessimist

It's not pessimism if I keep being right.

 

[04hockey]

It's not pessimism if I keep being right.

time will tell .....

I'll save this for the "right" time

 

[TB87]

Adam Ginning = Hagg/Ristolainen 2.0

Sloppy short area skating (limits speed & power), chases hits regularly that take him out of position, and processes the game slowly. He will be torched if he ever gets in some NHL games.

Disappointment will come to those who are optimistic about his NHL future. He is the quintessential poor JAG.

 

[04hockey]

Adam Ginning = Hagg/Ristolainen 2.0

Sloppy short area skating (limits speed & power), chases hits regularly that take him out of position, and processes the game slowly. He will be torched if he ever gets in some NHL games.

Disappointment will come to those who are optimistic about his NHL future. He is the quintessential poor JAG.

and still a plus 17 .....
hmmm

 

[renberg]

Flyers "D" may be shaping up.....
TDA + York for the "O"
Provy + Sanheim for their two way game
Ginning + Attard for the "D"
Seeler #7
not too shabby


always the pessimist

Need to add Andrae to the roster. He’s ready for the show.

 

[04hockey]

Need to add Andrae to the roster. He’s ready for the show.

gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out

Flyers future isn't as gloomy as some are claiming

 

[SnS]

and still a plus 17 .....
hmmm

+\- is a joke of a stat.

 

[SnS]

gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out

Flyers future isn't as gloomy as some are claiming

Sure as soon as Risto, Hayes, Nic, Seeler, Torts, Fletch, Scott and others are gone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

+\- is a joke of a stat.

The Hagg saga wasn't even that long ago.

 

[CutOnDime97]

gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out

Flyers future isn't as gloomy as some are claiming

If Fletcher isn't gone then it's even gloomier than people claim.

 

[deadhead]

+\- is a joke of a stat.

Someone here keeps bringing up GF%, which is just +/- in % form, why aren't you objecting to that usage?

+/- is limited, but when you don't have other data, +/- relative to other teammates has informative value, especially for D-men who tend to play with most of the forward lines. In short samples it's going to be strongly influenced by goalie play, over larger samples that will even out.

When someone has an extreme outlier relative to teammates, it's worth exploring the cause.

Myers was an example where metrics were less informative than +/-, he had good metrics yet has leaked goals at every stop, probably b/c metrics didn't adequately measure how bad the scoring chances against created by his brain farts.

 

[SnS]

Someone here keeps bringing up GF%, which is just +/- in % form, why aren't you objecting to that usage?

+/- is limited, but when you don't have other data, +/- relative to other teammates has informative value, especially for D-men who tend to play with most of the forward lines. In short samples it's going to be strongly influenced by goalie play, over larger samples that will even out.

When someone has an extreme outlier relative to teammates, it's worth exploring the cause.

Myers was an example where metrics were less informative than +/-, he had good metrics yet has leaked goals at every stop, probably b/c metrics didn't adequately measure how bad the scoring chances against created by his brain farts.

I don’t follow or give a flying f*** about the fancy stats either. And never will.


To add onto this. It’s about the eye test if they are a negative, they shouldn’t even have a job.

 

[Striiker]

+\- is a joke of a stat.

It's actually really helpful.

Not for evaluating players, but for knowing which fans don't have a clue what they're talking about and should be ignored.