I haven't heard anyone write him off as a bum. I think most agree that his floor is a middle 6 winger who can contribute with Goal scoring - at worst, a useful NHL player. The questions many have are how realistic it is to project him as a center in the NHL? Will the kind of goals he is scoring in college translate against NHL level goalies and defense? Does he really have high end 1st liner potential in the NHL? These are all very legitimate, fair questions.
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Look at where he shoots these things from
Back to our conversation last week, if I had that on tape, that’s a play for which I wouldn’t even wait for a replay, I’d just skim to the next shift. I’d mentally note it as a bad shot. I want to see projectable plays that excite me against NHL defenses and goaltending.
If the kid pans out as a decent power forward, a guy that isn't a problem defensively, and a 30-30 guy that can hit and skate, I don't think it's a bad pick. But who knows. I just hope something pans out. I hope he pans out with Chuck shot into the sun.
Jvr and Patrick were picked higher and he's projecting better than either of them. I'm a fan (though I wanted Savoie) and even I don't expect him to live up to the drain comparison. Tavares lite is his upside I thought Carter was fair. 1b scoring center. Scoring center are traditionally a hard fit as most people like a power forward at wing.
Personally I'd stick him between brink and farabee and watch them bloom together
Personally I'd stick him between brink and farabee and watch them bloom together
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I won’t lie and say I’ve watched a ton of his play this year at BC but on the little I’ve seen in highlights this is what I’ve noticed.. He’s got a wicked shot but it just does not seem like he gets to prime scoring areas to let it go. I honestly don’t know if he lacks the drive to do so or just knows his shot is overpowering at the ncaa level so he just takes what he’s given…. But I would be shocked if he beats NHL goalies from the top of the circle outside the hash marks with the regularity that he has this year. If we had a good development system, I would actually trust that they would work on this with him and have him focus on driving to high danger areas to unleash that cannon of a shot or work on using the threat of his shot to open up playmaking opportunities for his teammates. Instead we’ll have Flahr and co. telling him to focus on eating 6000 calories a day to beef up and practice “hitting the net” when he inevitably struggles to score from those areas in the pros with regularity. I do see a player there with his skating and shot but I just do not think the Flyers with their current organizational development strategy will be able to unlock him to his full potential. But hey, I’m just a random fan on a message board, what do I know.
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Atkinson missing the season doesn't prevent them from calling up better players whenever.
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He's projecting to do better than a 14 year NHL career averaging 52 points per 82 games?
Not sure how you can get that much projection out of half a college season.
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Meh, remember the angst over VdV? Player like that play b/c you haven't found anyone better.
These players primarily reflect a combination of injuries and bad drafting - all those "physical" forwards drafted by Hextall failed to pan out as even 4th line players - Bunnaman (4th), Twarynski (3rd), Ratcliffe (2), Laberge (2nd), Voroybev (4th) Dove-McCalls (3rd), Strome (4th), NAK (2nd). Flahr has never obsessed over big forwards the way Hextall did - but all were flops. Nor have they gone elsewhere and had success - it's not like a player in his early 20s can't turn it around if he actually had talent.
The other problem has been the failure to find upgrades off the waiver wire and low cost free agents by both GMs.
TDA is a different matter - he's got top level talent, but rocks for brains.
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If you can't find anyone better you shouldn't be employed. Been saying this since Hextall was GM. It's a sign of Fletcher, Flahr, and the pro scouts' incompetence.
At least Hextall only had one or two wretched signings at a time, as opposed to the flood of shit Fletcher annually pursues.
More importantly, the org favoring all these guys over prospects shows they aren't rebuilding and the revolving door was never going to happen.
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Hextall only had a couple wretched signings b/c he didn't do anything, which is why we had a steady diet of VdV, Leier, Weal, Lehtera, etc. in the bottom six. Cousins was the only decent one and he was drafted by Holmgren. Hextall had one good signing in PEB.
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I'd rather Fletcher do nothing than constantly lose acquisitions at a nonstop rate.
Fletcher can't even find a PEB. Nor does he let prospects play, which you pointed out Hextall did. And even Hextall followed terrible development philosophies. Fletcher has doubled down on all the negatives of Hextall, put them on steroids, and provides none of the positives.
It turns out the only Hextall Stuff the team liked was all the bad things he did. That's what they wanted more of. That's why your revolving door isn't happening and these AHLers aren't getting their due chances.
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These AHLers aren't getting chances b/c they're not ready. It's that simple.
Flyers aren't making the playoffs, there is no reason to rush prospects.
Right now, you're not taking away PT from the 6 25 and under forwards, you want to showcase Hayes and JVR for trades, so that leaves Laughton, who is your 3C.
So you're gonna put Lycksell on the 4th line for 8 minutes a night? What would be the point?
If the Phantoms can make the playoffs, I'd rather see the prospects play 20 minutes a night in the playoffs.
Flyers aren't making the playoffs, there is no reason to rush prospects.
Right now, you're not taking away PT from the 6 25 and under forwards, you want to showcase Hayes and JVR for trades, so that leaves Laughton, who is your 3C.
So you're gonna put Lycksell on the 4th line for 8 minutes a night? What would be the point?
If the Phantoms can make the playoffs, I'd rather see the prospects play 20 minutes a night in the playoffs.
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You insisted they were ready. How come they never end up being ready in reality? Did they all regress? Did they all stagnate? That kind of trend would point to some bad processes, would it not? Like, say, the bad development processes and values you insist are good?
Reminder, as ever, that it isn't 4 under 25 forwards only because injuries forced them play youth they wouldn't be playing otherwise. Additionally, there are numerous players besides Laughton to take playing time from. The entire 4th line can leave and be replaced as a prospect line and it wouldn't matter. Just let them all play and learn and give them the rope to be confident and build their game.
You know, that revolving door you predicted that involved all those guys playing in the bottom six before you suddenly started saying it's impossible to play prospects there so you can defend the team doing the opposite of what you considered best.
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Look at where he shoots these things from
I feel like every goal i've seen from him in college has virtually no chance of getting past an NHL goalie.
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And he wasn't. Took him a couple months to get his legs back and his swagger.
He's not the fastest in a straight line, but his game depends on his edge work, kid's got some "shake and bake."
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York did not drastically change as a player, nor did he need to be in the AHL.
You really don't need to defend every single thing the team does. They're a bad team with a bleak future sitting near the bottom of the standings. They're obviously doing a lot of stuff wrong.
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Every year you lean on these terrible sample sizes over real NHL games to justify wrong decisions, and every single year you end up being as wrong as the team was. Like clockwork.
You really don't need to defend every single thing the team does. They're a bad team with a bleak future sitting near the bottom of the standings. They're obviously doing a lot of stuff wrong.
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There's a huge difference between a proven veteran with a track record and a prospect in TC.
Proven veterans often look like crap b/c they're just playing to get into game shape and get their feel back.
A prospect, no matter where drafted, needs to show he belongs, from day 1 of TC through his first couple seasons.
York didn't deserve a roster spot, based on his TC play, and given that "entitlement syndrome" has been a Flyers problem, he should have been sent down and forced to work his way back to Philly.
Proven veterans often look like crap b/c they're just playing to get into game shape and get their feel back.
A prospect, no matter where drafted, needs to show he belongs, from day 1 of TC through his first couple seasons.
York didn't deserve a roster spot, based on his TC play, and given that "entitlement syndrome" has been a Flyers problem, he should have been sent down and forced to work his way back to Philly.
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This is obviously bad approach, because the Flyers also follow it and it drives them to make an array of wrong decisions annually.
Tiny sample sizes are a shit approach, always. York proved himself in the NHL the season prior, and it was stupid to overrule that based on practices.
You really don't need to defend every single thing the team does. They're a bad team with a bleak future sitting near the bottom of the standings. They're obviously doing a lot of stuff wrong.
Jvr had 34 points in 32 games his freshman year and Gauthier has 24 in 22. Once apon a time veteran players were prospects some of us followed on this site. Jvr also played center that year.
11 goals in 32 games vs 14 in 22 means one guy looks better as a goal scorer.
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York 'proved' himself in a small sample at the end of the season when the Flyers were playing out the string.
CF 45.72%, xGF 49.68% -14. Not bad for a rookie, but not good enough I'm guaranteeing him anything.
If I'm a new HC, I'm not relying on that sample.
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OK. Roll out TdA, the toast that is Braun and rotten Risto instead. How’d that work for the part of the season before York was called up? Playing bums instead of a talented youngster makes no sense. Sending down a kid is a poor way to motivate him. If he was out of shape, Torts could have run his ass back into shape in Philly as easy as in LV. Doing that to York was a pure Dino move.
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