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Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Fall 2022 Edition]

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deadhead said:
Well, the word out of prospect camp this summer is he had the best shot, better than Foerster, who was drafted partially on the basis of his shooting prowess. So it seems the shot is for real.

Size and speed as well, he's seems to be having no problem at center, whether he's a playmaker remains to be seen, but you can work around that with the right winger, and if you do land an elite playmaking center down the road, move him to LW.
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Having a good shot in camp/practice and being an elite scorer in the NHL is the same gigantic skill gap between running fast and being an elite NFL WR. So many shoot first prospects have "great shots" until they don't. I can only imagine if Foerster could skate like Gauthier (which is to say above average) because for a guy labeled a sniper, he almost aggressively goes out of his way to not take low danger shots and look for a pass.

We're having two different conversations. I don't dislike Gauthier by any means. I'm just saying that if we are talking production ceiling, those shots (which he's scored like 3 times) don't impress me. His NTDP numbers had him taking too many low danger shots, and if I was shift watching, I'd probably not even replay that goal. Whereas I might replay a flubbed pass because the vision impressed me. I haven't watched BC, so hands in the air I'm not definitively saying anything.
 
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My point is simply that his goal scoring doesn't seem like a fluke given his shot was duly noted in camp.
Right now we have limited information, other than his size and skating ability.
By the spring, and 30+ games, we should have a better sense of his potential ceiling.
 
deadhead said:
Well, the word out of prospect camp this summer is he had the best shot, better than Foerster, who was drafted partially on the basis of his shooting prowess. So it seems the shot is for real.

Size and speed as well, he's seems to be having no problem at center, whether he's a playmaker remains to be seen, but you can work around that with the right winger, and if you do land an elite playmaking center down the road, move him to LW.
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You put way too much stock into practices
 
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Right handed, shorter version of Willman, very good speed, could score at the AHL level but wasn't skilled enough to translate it into NHL scoring or physical enough to carve out a role as a 4th line energy guy.
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That is a blast from the past. When I think of TL, Oliver Bjorkstrand immediately comes to mind. He was drafted in the third round the year after and was a teammate, if not linemate, of TL. He was sitting there in the 3rd round for the Flyers to scoop up. Why didn't the Flyers choose him? If they were scouting TL they should have noticed him. Christ, I even noticed him. Oh, the Flyers the flyers selected Tyler Ghoulborne instead, because, you know - goon. This is a lot or words for a third round pick and was two GMs ago, but it just shows what the Flyers have always valued
gertbfrobe16 said:
All part of Chucks master plan, to slide him up to the Flyers, when no one is looking.
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Both him and Brown will be on the Flyers pushing 2 youngsters to the Phantoms. Chuck will have achieved his veteran laden (30+) roster with tons of grit. The youngsters going to the Phantoms will be immediately scratched in favor of O'reilly, Wilson, Fitzgerald, et al.....Our roster will include the following waiver wire/slug FA signings....MacNothing, Brown, Sedlak, AA, Seeler, Braun, ND, which is a third of the team
 
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mr4tno said:
That is a blast from the past. When I think of TL, Oliver Bjorkstrand immediately comes to mind. He was drafted in the third round the year after and was a teammate, if not linemate, of TL. He was sitting there in the 3rd round for the Flyers to scoop up. Why didn't the Flyers choose him? If they were scouting TL they should have noticed him. Christ, I even noticed him. Oh, the Flyers the flyers selected Tyler Ghoulborne instead, because, you know - goon. This is a lot or words for a third round pick and was two GMs ago, but it just shows what the Flyers have always valued

Both him and Brown will be on the Flyers pushing 2 youngsters to the Phantoms. Chuck will have achieved his veteran laden (30+) roster with tons of grit. The youngsters going to the Phantoms will be immediately scratched in favor of O'reilly, Wilson, Fitzgerald, et al.....Our roster will include the following waiver wire/slug FA signings....MacNothing, Brown, Sedlak, AA, Seeler, Braun, ND, which is a third of the team
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I wouldn't bet on anything.

Though interesting comment, when asked about Laczynski, Torts said he didn't have enough PT to have an opinion.
So he wants to use the top 9 spots to audition players for an extended period, which means he won't want someone like Brown playing there on an extended basis.

Only so many 4th line spots, I think their reasoning is that a prospect that has top 9 potential is better in LHV playing in the top 6 than in Philly on the 4th line, playing 4 shifts a period.

The players threatened by Brown would be Bellows and Willman. One reason Brown may return is faceoffs, the Flyers are awful and he's decent. Deslauriers - Sedlak - Brown, though I'm not sure how secure Deslauriers should feel, as the team has speeded up play, he's been exposed.

Though WIllman has a chance to win a job paired with Frost and Farabee, that line has good speed, and Frost is at his best with linemates who can keep up with him, he's better on the "Fast break" than "Half court."
 
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That is a blast from the past. When I think of TL, Oliver Bjorkstrand immediately comes to mind. He was drafted in the third round the year after and was a teammate, if not linemate, of TL. He was sitting there in the 3rd round for the Flyers to scoop up. Why didn't the Flyers choose him? If they were scouting TL they should have noticed him. Christ, I even noticed him. Oh, the Flyers the flyers selected Tyler Ghoulborne instead, because, you know - goon. This is a lot or words for a third round pick and was two GMs ago, but it just shows what the Flyers have always valued

Both him and Brown will be on the Flyers pushing 2 youngsters to the Phantoms. Chuck will have achieved his veteran laden (30+) roster with tons of grit. The youngsters going to the Phantoms will be immediately scratched in favor of O'reilly, Wilson, Fitzgerald, et al.....Our roster will include the following waiver wire/slug FA signings....MacNothing, Brown, Sedlak, AA, Seeler, Braun, ND, which is a third of the team
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Great patience is needed for prospects because they only peak around 25-26, so now is the time to drill accountability, grit, grinding, playing the right way, and making the safe play during their few short years in LHV. They have to show that they have mastered the system -- whatever it is this week -- before even thinking of sniffing NHL ice.

And it shows that you willfully ignore history, @mr4tno: the wily Flyers scouts, bereft of a 4th rounder, knew that Goulbourne wouldn't be around for their next selection so they got their man early, as all smart organizations do.

But seriously, it is painful to go back to the 2013 draft and look at the glowing reports of the highly touted defensive prospect that the Flyers snatched in the early rounds. No, not Sam Morin.

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Hagg should be Exhibit A in any discussion of how inept this franchise is at developing prospects.
 
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deadhead said:
He should be back in a few weeks, he's been skating.
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Hopefully they reset something to improve that skating stride . I like everything about him but his speed between the blue lines , it is not good . It is a very unatheletic stride when he gets past his first three strides . I am hoping for good things out of him but realize he could have his limitations when the game will be played at top speed .
 
I think that Gauthier got a bad rap when he was moved off of the top line center position to wing with the USNDT in favor of Cooley. Some scouts said that this happened because Gauthier could play wing better than Cooley rather than Gauthier being weak at center.
 
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Personally, I don’t care one iota about Gauthier being a center or not. I care about getting impact players. If he’s most impactful at wing (degree of impact is what we can discuss), so be it. No, it’s the Flyers that care about him being a center and baked that into the pick. Obsessing over centers at the top of drafts usually isn’t a great idea.
 
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Magua said:
Personally, I don’t care one iota about Gauthier being a center or not. I care about getting impact players. If he’s most impactful at wing (degree of impact is what we can discuss), so be it. No, it’s the Flyers that care about him being a center and baked that into the pick. Obsessing over centers at the top of drafts usually isn’t a great idea.
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Great players can play anywhere with anyone. We’ll see if he turns out to be one. If he turns out better at LW, it’s no problem, as you say.
 
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Magua said:
Personally, I don’t care one iota about Gauthier being a center or not. I care about getting impact players. If he’s most impactful at wing (degree of impact is what we can discuss), so be it. No, it’s the Flyers that care about him being a center and baked that into the pick. Obsessing over centers at the top of drafts usually isn’t a great idea.
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Centers are hard to find, it's like the difference in baseball between being a CF and RF, a great hitting RF is an impact player (Harper), a great hitting CF who is a plus fielder is more valuable (Trout).

If Gauthier is a top center but also a 1LW, he has far more value than if he's a 3C/1LW combo, because he gives you more flexibility in your top six - since a couple future members of the top 6 will probably come from picking high in the draft, if you're going BPA, you can't know in advance if they'll be centers or wings.

Same way if Gauthier can carry the puck and play make as well as score, it's easier to build lines around him - the more your top players can do, the less other players have to be able to do to fit with them.

If he turns out to be a LW with size, speed who scores 30+ goals, he's still worth #5, if he's more than that, you've hit the lottery.
 
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Magua said:
Personally, I don’t care one iota about Gauthier being a center or not. I care about getting impact players. If he’s most impactful at wing (degree of impact is what we can discuss), so be it. No, it’s the Flyers that care about him being a center and baked that into the pick. Obsessing over centers at the top of drafts usually isn’t a great idea.
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Of course, this being Fletcher's regime, it's stupider than that: turning wingers into centers is an obsession. And also turning dmen into 4th line forwards.

Fletcher is a very stupid creature. Maybe his brain is malnourished because Flahr consumes every digestible calorie within the region.
 
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They're not "turning" Gauthier into a center, BC was planning to use him in that role, they're evaluating him as a center.
Cates also played center in college as well as wing.

And Fletcher didn't turn Giroux into a center, that predated him by almost a decade. Some players can make the transition, others not.

Laughton on the other hand, is a center they've reluctantly turned into a wing, b/c he only fits at 4C where he is a checking center, further up in the lineup he's much better at LW.
 
Magua said:
Personally, I don’t care one iota about Gauthier being a center or not. I care about getting impact players. If he’s most impactful at wing (degree of impact is what we can discuss), so be it. No, it’s the Flyers that care about him being a center and baked that into the pick. Obsessing over centers at the top of drafts usually isn’t a great idea.
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BPA BPA BPA. Unless you're a brain dead organization like the Flyers.
 
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Andrae is quietly having a solid season in his return to the SHL.
He's on a really bad team, only one forward who can score, 15g 3-4 7 -4, playing 20+ minutes, 23 the last two games.
If he keeps this up, good bet to come over, start next season in the AHL and finish in Philly.
He'll be prepared for a team that can't score, been there, done that.
 
Can't have too many servicable defensemen but there will be a logjam on LD sooner than later.

The Sanheim contract extension was a mistake - good homegrown player but bad timing.
Finding a trade partner for Provorov and getting value back will be important now but I get the feeling that Torts wants to keep him and Fletcher will be Fletcher anyway.
 
I hope Anisimov has something left in the tank. This team needs help at center.
 
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