Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Fall 2022 Edition]

[deadhead]

I think Attard is actually more impressive looking than York.

Think he needs a year in the AHL to polish the fundamentals he didn't learn in college as a "rover," but he has a howitzer (can see him with York on the PP down the road, sliding into the right circle and blowing pucks past goalies), is big, physical and a good skater.

Right now York is better in LHV, you're not going to pair him with Risto at this point, when they're trying to repair Risto and teach him how to play defense. York has said he's not comfortable on the right side, and at this point I just want to get Zamula more time at LHD before trying him at RHD.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Attard is actually more impressive looking than York.

Think he needs a year in the AHL to polish the fundamentals he didn't learn in college as a "rover," but he has a howitzer (can see him with York on the PP down the road, sliding into the right circle and blowing pucks past goalies), is big, physical and a good skater.

Right now York is better in LHV, you're not going to pair him with Risto at this point, when they're trying to repair Risto and teach him how to play defense. York has said he's not comfortable on the right side, and at this point I just want to get Zamula more time at LHD before trying him at RHD.

Risto shouldn't be playing either. If Tortorella was the insanely reasonable genius who doesn't care a lick about contracts that you claim, Ristolainen wouldn't be playing.

York is not better than Attard. Nor is York better off in LHV. There's nothing left for him to do there, especially under Lappy.

 

[deadhead]

Of course they're going to try and fix Risto, the contract is what it is, but if you can't fix him you can't move him.
And Attard, not York, would replace Risto (or Braun).
Right now Zamula is ahead of York in the pecking order, York needs Zamula to move to RHD to open up a spot for him.

 

[Tripod]

Trying to remember....

Is it good to trade a mid round 1st, two 2nds, Ghost, Hagg, 7th for a 27(now 28) year old D man, give him 5 years at 5.1 million, only to have to "TRY AND FIX, TRY AND REPAIR, TRY AND TEACH HIM HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE"?

 

[BernieParent]

Trying to remember....

Is it good to trade a mid round 1st, two 2nds, Ghost, Hagg, 7th for a 27(now 28) year old D man, give him 5 years at 5.1 million, only to have to "TRY AND FIX, TRY AND REPAIR, TRY AND TEACH HIM HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE"?

Rasmus Renovation

 

[deadhead]

Trying to remember....

Is it good to trade a mid round 1st, two 2nds, Ghost, Hagg, 7th for a 27(now 28) year old D man, give him 5 years at 5.1 million, only to have to "TRY AND FIX, TRY AND REPAIR, TRY AND TEACH HIM HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE"?

That is water under the bridge, the horse is dead, flayed and boiled for glue.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Of course they're going to try and fix Risto, the contract is what it is, but if you can't fix him you can't move him.
And Attard, not York, would replace Risto (or Braun).
Right now Zamula is ahead of York in the pecking order, York needs Zamula to move to RHD to open up a spot for him.

Funny how your tune just keeps changing, ever so slightly. Do you remember how you assured everyone that Risto and his contract would be easy to move? Now, it’s on the prerequisite that he learns how to play defence. Which seems like a pretty big flaw. This is a worse situation than farmer Mac.

 

[deadhead]

Funny how your tune just keeps changing, ever so slightly. Do you remember how you assured everyone that Risto and his contract would be easy to move? Now, it’s on the prerequisite that he learns how to play defence. Which seems like a pretty big flaw. This is a worse situation than farmer Mac.

Well, he's putting up nice metrics with Seeler, maybe Seeler is the dog whisperer?

Seeler - Zamula CF 41.17%, xGF 42.07%
Seeler - Risto CF 43.89%, xGF 52.35%
Sanheim - Risto CF 26.22%, xGF 17.27%
Sanheim - Braun CF 44.15%, xGF 52.16%

Now can Risto be "fixed"? Who knows, but playing for bad teams and bad coaches can certainly torpedo a D-man!
I'm not sure he's ever been coached to play with fundamentals - his draft status and the obsession with physical play may have allowed him to get away with bad habits, the same way some HCs overlook defensive deficiencies in offensive defensemen.

But it's already been made clear that big hits may impress Keith Jones, but not Trots and Shaw.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That is water under the bridge, the horse is dead, flayed and boiled for glue.

No it isn't, because the guy responsible for that water-horse is still ruining the team.

 

[pacehimself]

No it isn't, because the guy responsible for that water-horse is still ruining the team.

It should have been a fireable offense

 

[mr4tno]

Willman recalled and Brown set to Phantoms for conditioning. Only a matter of time before half our team are wavier wire pick-ups

 

[Tripod]

That is water under the bridge, the horse is dead, flayed and boiled for glue.

Clearly not.

The shit GM AND President is still employed. The shit Dman is still on the team for 4.8 more years.

Chuck Diarrhea. The shit that keeps coming.

 

[deadhead]

Notes on Flyer prospects:
Gauthier is tied for scoring leader on his team despite playing 2 less games.
McDonald first college season (though older at 20), 5 assists in 12g, +14, next best D-men, +8, +7.
Sampson 16g 6-9 15 but -8, defense needs work, only draft pick on his junior team
JOB 9g, 1-5 6, interesting decision, sign him or take the 2024 2nd rd pick, stay tuned
Vorobyev is having a breakout season in the KHL, will be 26 next year, last year of a 3 year deal.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

A bit off the beaten path since he's no longer a Flyers' prospect (and at 28 he's likely to spend the rest of his career overseas), but interesting to see Taylor Leier scoring at a point per game pace for Straubing Tigers in Germany.

Remember seeing him in the Flyers development camp.

Don't know why his career never worked out.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A bit off the beaten path since he's no longer a Flyers' prospect (and at 28 he's likely to spend the rest of his career overseas), but interesting to see Taylor Leier scoring at a point per game pace for Straubing Tigers in Germany.

Remember seeing him in the Flyers development camp.

Don't know why his career never worked out.

The Flyers have a horrific development process in contention for league-worst.

 

[deadhead]

A bit off the beaten path since he's no longer a Flyers' prospect (and at 28 he's likely to spend the rest of his career overseas), but interesting to see Taylor Leier scoring at a point per game pace for Straubing Tigers in Germany.

Remember seeing him in the Flyers development camp.

Don't know why his career never worked out.

Right handed, shorter version of Willman, very good speed, could score at the AHL level but wasn't skilled enough to translate it into NHL scoring or physical enough to carve out a role as a 4th line energy guy.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Well, he's putting up nice metrics with Seeler, maybe Seeler is the dog whisperer?

Seeler - Zamula CF 41.17%, xGF 42.07%
Seeler - Risto CF 43.89%, xGF 52.35%
Sanheim - Risto CF 26.22%, xGF 17.27%
Sanheim - Braun CF 44.15%, xGF 52.16%

Now can Risto be "fixed"? Who knows, but playing for bad teams and bad coaches can certainly torpedo a D-man!
I'm not sure he's ever been coached to play with fundamentals - his draft status and the obsession with physical play may have allowed him to get away with bad habits, the same way some HCs overlook defensive deficiencies in offensive defensemen.

But it's already been made clear that big hits may impress Keith Jones, but not Trots and Shaw.

Exactly.

 

[BernieParent]

A bit off the beaten path since he's no longer a Flyers' prospect (and at 28 he's likely to spend the rest of his career overseas), but interesting to see Taylor Leier scoring at a point per game pace for Straubing Tigers in Germany.

Remember seeing him in the Flyers development camp.

Don't know why his career never worked out.

He was an out-Leier.

#DadJokes
#takethatStriiker

 

[Rebels57]

If Gautier can replace Hayes and cooter can return we should be in just the right spot to make a run at Austin Matthews.

You need to stop shooting up that hope-ium.

 

[Tripod]

So if Seeler is so good and makes everyone better, how come not one GM wanted him just 2 years ago at age 27? And by not want, like he did not play 1 NHL or AHL game that year.

Guess he spent that year off honing his craft. We are so lucky. Especially when he wasn't ever going to play. Just be the guy to be benched and recall kids from AHLers when injuries occur.

Guess not.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So if Seeler is so good and makes everyone better, how come not one GM wanted him just 2 years ago at age 27? And by not want, like he did not play 1 NHL or AHL game that year.

Guess he spent th a t year off honing his craft. We are so lucky. Especially when he wasn't ever going to play. Just be the guy to be benched and recall kids from AHLers when injuries occur.

Guess not.

Sometimes I think that cherrypicking a single stat and acting like it summarizes an entire player without needing anymore context is wrong.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

 

[deadhead]

Gauthier may not be the prototype playmaking center, but don't we have a young RW who is a good playmaker?
Think Couts did OK with a LW who was an elite playmaker.

 

[Magua]

I don’t intend to sound like a hater, but it’s just hard for me to be gaga over low % shots above and outside the circles at lower levels. It’s possible Gauthier is a rarified plus NHL shooter, and he’s not deficient in a red flag way like some (Bellows, Ratcliffe, etc.), but history says only a small grouping of NHL players will score those semi-routinely.

Transition success rate, chained passing creation, getting shots off inside the circles — that’s what I care about. I’m not saying he hasn’t done that or can’t do that. But I’ve watched too many prospects to give anything but a shrug to those goals that he’s mostly been scoring. I’d love someone to clip a non-scoring play where the projectables shine. Maybe we can catch a game on TV soon.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t intend to sound like a hater, but it’s just hard for me to be gaga over low % shots above and outside the circles at lower levels. It’s possible Gauthier is a rarified plus NHL shooter, and he’s not deficient in a red flag way like some (Bellows, Ratcliffe, etc.), but history says only a small grouping of NHL players will score those semi-routinely.

Transition success rate, chained passing creation, getting shots off inside the circles — that’s what I care about. I’m not saying he hasn’t done that or can’t do that. But I’ve watched too many prospects to give anything but a shrug to those goals that he’s mostly been scoring. I’d love someone to clip a non-scoring play where the projectables shine. Maybe we can catch a game on TV soon.

Well, the word out of prospect camp this summer is he had the best shot, better than Foerster, who was drafted partially on the basis of his shooting prowess. So it seems the shot is for real.

Size and speed as well, he's seems to be having no problem at center, whether he's a playmaker remains to be seen, but you can work around that with the right winger, and if you do land an elite playmaking center down the road, move him to LW.