Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Fall 2022 Edition]

[Striiker]

Yeah no you went further than just attitude, you tried to paint a picture of him being secretly brilliant offensively

And amazing at developing prospects, as we’ve seen so far.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And amazing at developing prospects, as we’ve seen so far.

Yes, we were told repeatedly that he will not play veterans and goons, he plays young players.

 

[iceman42]

This will continue forever, coaches are in the NHL to win, not babysit young players. So coaches bring in vets and players they know. Because at least to the coach there is comfort in a known commodity. You can almost make bets in training camp -- rookies for final spots vs grizzled NHL vets who have followed the coach around, the second that the rookie falters the vet jumps ahead.

 

[mr4tno]

Here are the Flyers 1st and 2nd round pick for the last decade...not a good read....

Draft	Num.	Round	Player
2022	5	1	Cutter Gauthier	Too early to tell
2022		2	Traded	Received garbage in return
2021		1	Traded	Received garbage in return
2021	46	2	Samu Tuomaala	Bust
2020	23	1	Tyson Foerster	Promising
2020	54	2	Emil Andrae	Promising
2019	14	1	Cam York	Trend is not good
2019	34	2	Bobby Brink	Small, slow player with hip issues - do the math
2018	14	1	Joel Farabee	Hit
2018	19	1	Jay O'Brien	Not a good sign when a 2nd round pick that will ultimately be traded away is the cherry on top
2018	50	2	Adam Ginning	Bust
2017	2	1	Nolan Patrick	Disastrous bust
2017	27	1	Morgan Frost	Trend is not good
2017	35	2	Isaac Ratcliffe	Bust
2016	22	1	German Rubtsov	Super bust
2016	36	2	Pascal Laberge	Bust
2016	48	2	Carter Hart	Major Hit
2016	52	2	Wade Allison	Trending up
2015	7	1	Ivan Provorov	Hit (sort of; he was drafted to be a No 1)
2015	24	1	Travis Konecny	Hit
2014	17	1	Travis Sanheim	Hit
2014	48	2	Nicolas Aube-Kubel	Lost to waivers
2013	11	1	Samuel Morin	Bust
2013	41	2	Robert Hagg	Meh
2012	20	1	Scott Laughton	Hit
2012	45	2	Anthony Stolarz	Meh
2011	8	1	Sean Couturier	Major hit, but the contract extension will be a death knell

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think the York or Frost summations are fair or accurate.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think the York or Frost summations are fair or accurate.

I guess it depends. They may be trending towards breaking out on a different team, which is not good.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Frost was a good pick. How he performs in this shit show of a org should not have much of an impact on how the pick should be viewed. York is more fine than good but not someone to give up on. The Boldy/Caufield whatifs are fair.

They traded a second and a third for one year of Braun also.

Things look a lot better if you replace Robertson (x2) with Ratcliffe and one year of Braun. Stankoven with Tuomaaala. Some combination of Lysell, Zellweger, Hutson, Gleb, Casey instead of the Ghost/Risto fiasco (there is another high second rounder out the window this year).

These are just the moves a schlub like me went on record with from his couch at the time of the moves.

They moved around picks like a contending team. They are not a contending team. Less than ideal. Having a pulse on your team and knowing when to push your chips in is a big chunk of the job. Zito is getting killed for his trades but at least that team won the President’s Trophy last season.

 

[deadhead]

Frost was a good pick. How he performs in this shit show of a org should not have much of an impact on how the pick should be viewed. York is more fine than good but not someone to give up on. The Boldy/Caufield whatifs are fair.

They traded a second and a third for one year of Braun also.

Things look a lot better if you replace Robertson (x2) with Ratcliffe and one year of Braun. Stankoven with Tuomaaala. Some combination of Lysell, Zellweger, Hutson, Gleb, Casey instead of the Ghost/Risto fiasco (there is another high second rounder out the window this year).

These are just the moves a schlub like me went on record with from his couch at the time of the moves.

They moved around picks like a contending team. They are not a contending team. Less than ideal. Having a pulse on your team and knowing when to push your chips in is a big chunk of the job. Zito is getting killed for his trades but at least that team won the President’s Trophy last season.

Uh, who in 2018 declared that they were going all in and the rebuild was over?

Path dependence, once they committed to trying to win in 2018 with G (31), Voracek (29), JVR (29) the core of the team with $24M committed to them, they basically had a 2-3 year window. Be happy they only traded one 1st and a couple 2nd rd picks, the Rangers in the same situation traded (4) 1st rd picks.

Which is why I still wonder about Risto, up to the summer of 2021 Fletcher only traded a 2nd and 3rd (Braun), some late round picks, and no prospects. Hayes was the big move, Niskanen was a bargain. Then suddenly they move out Ghost and Voracek, trade for Ellis and Risto and resign Risto - that sure sounds like a FO driven desperation move. Do something, anything, the window is closing.

 

[CrazyEddie20]

I think he's unironically talking about winning regular season games.

What do you expect? Tony thinks he knows hockey because he was a stringer for the Trentonian.

 

[FLYguy3911]

@landsbergfan

 

[landsbergfan]

@landsbergfan

LETS GOOOOO.

Gotta be honest, I love Chuck Fletcher

 

[iceman42]

@landsbergfan

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Evan Barratt, eh? To quote Barney Gumble, “Oooh, a local boy!”

 

[Beef Invictus]

Uh, who in 2018 declared that they were going all in and the rebuild was over?

Path dependence, once they committed to trying to win in 2018 with G (31), Voracek (29), JVR (29) the core of the team with $24M committed to them, they basically had a 2-3 year window. Be happy they only traded one 1st and a couple 2nd rd picks, the Rangers in the same situation traded (4) 1st rd picks.

Which is why I still wonder about Risto, up to the summer of 2021 Fletcher only traded a 2nd and 3rd (Braun), some late round picks, and no prospects. Hayes was the big move, Niskanen was a bargain. Then suddenly they move out Ghost and Voracek, trade for Ellis and Risto and resign Risto - that sure sounds like a FO driven desperation move. Do something, anything, the window is closing.

It was not Fletcher's uncontrollable and unavoidable destiny to make nothing but bad moves in pursuit of contention. He is responsible for his terrible judgement and player evaluation, nobody else. Numerous moves were possible. He chose bad ones. That's his fault and nobody else's.

 

[deadhead]

Former 3rd rd pick, depth for LHV, still young enough to have an outside shot at the NHL.
Zech couldn't buy PT,

Evan Barratt | 6 feet, 188 pounds | 2/18/1999

Where he’ll play this season: Rockford IceHogs (AHL)

2022-23 expectations: Barratt looked like he could be a potential NHL player when he first joined Rockford, but he has struggled with consistency over his first two seasons and has been moved around the lineup. He often played in a third-line wing role last season. He finished with 14 goals and 14 assists in 63 games. For him to have a chance to make the NHL or even be a quality AHL player, he needs to skate with more quickness. He’s entering the final year of his entry-level contract and will be playing for another contract this season. It’ll be interesting to see how Barratt and other prospects are affected by Rockford having a deeper and more veteran team this season.

 

[dats81]

Zech didn't really have any value left so this is a good deal even though the chances of Lappy resurrecting Barrett's career are slim to none.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Career minor leaguers trade.

 

[mr4tno]

I don't think the York or Frost summations are fair or accurate.

Well, they are not a bust for sure, so they are either trending up or down (level, IMO, is synonymous with down)....

 

[deadhead]

Frost is playing 15 minutes a night.
York is 21, a few months in LHV won' deep six his career.
Think I remember Sanheim going up and down at that age, seems to have worked out OK.

 

[mr4tno]

Former 3rd rd pick, depth for LHV, still young enough to have an outside shot at the NHL.
Zech couldn't buy PT,

Evan Barratt | 6 feet, 188 pounds | 2/18/1999

Where he’ll play this season: Rockford IceHogs (AHL)

2022-23 expectations: Barratt looked like he could be a potential NHL player when he first joined Rockford, but he has struggled with consistency over his first two seasons and has been moved around the lineup. He often played in a third-line wing role last season. He finished with 14 goals and 14 assists in 63 games. For him to have a chance to make the NHL or even be a quality AHL player, he needs to skate with more quickness. He’s entering the final year of his entry-level contract and will be playing for another contract this season. It’ll be interesting to see how Barratt and other prospects are affected by Rockford having a deeper and more veteran team this season.

We actually got the younger player in the deal. That is so not Flyer like

 

[Magua]

These are just the moves a schlub like me went on record with from his couch at the time of the moves.

Thought you were more of a multi-monitor, leather chair kinda guy.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it me or has someone in the org recently become fascinated by local guys? Is there an uptick in locals besides JG?

 

[deadhead]

It's you. This deal was probably driven by the forward injuries on the big club, which meant they were fielding ECHL guys in LHV.
So add a legitimate AHL forward and subtract a D-man unlikely to see the ice until spring.
(York, Attard, Hogberg, Wylie, Ginning, Connauton, Belpido).

 

[ponder719]

@landsbergfan

Well, that occurred. I get that it's early in the season, but perhaps we could try doing something more significant someday. That might be nice.

 

[WIP CALLER]

Evan's mom taught me how to ice skate when I made the switch from roller hockey at age 9, true story.

I didn't know him personally since we are like 10 years apart but he started getting buzz at a really young age at our local rink so it's pretty cool he's actually now in the flyers organization. No idea if he actually makes the NHL though, can't say I've followed his pro career too closely, just knew he was drafted by Chicago.