Post-Game Talk: pgt

[SnowblindNYR]

Why are you trying to bring common sense to the discussion? That has no place here. They lost the game damnit and he didn't score a single point. I think we can probably get a good return if we trade him tomorrow.

If he showed something but was unlucky I'd be far less critical. Other than one chance that Panarin put on a silver platter late in the game that Talbot stopped he did nothing all game.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just don't see it. It was a nice story that they climbed out of a shitty start to go on a dominant run but lately I'm not seeing it. And let's not forget they have the following losses this year on their resume:

1) Chicago by 3 goals

2) Gave San Jose their first win

3) Gave Anaheim their first regulation win

4) Montreal

5) Columbus 5-1

6) Edmonton after leading 3-0 in the third

7) Islanders after leading 3-1 in the third

8) Devils after leading 3-1. I don't remember if they led 3-2 or 3-1 in third.

9) Ottawa after leading with a minute left

10) Embarrassed twice by a mediocre at best Caps team at home

Stop.

Do you need me to go through the resumes of the other non bruin “contenders?”

 

[hackeyman]

I just don't see it. It was a nice story that they climbed out of a shitty start to go on a dominant run but lately I'm not seeing it. And let's not forget they have the following losses this year on their resume:

1) Chicago by 3 goals

2) Gave San Jose their first win

3) Gave Anaheim their first regulation win

4) Montreal

5) Columbus 5-1

6) Edmonton after leading 3-0 in the third

7) Islanders after leading 3-1 in the third

8) Devils after leading 3-1. I don't remember if they led 3-2 or 3-1 in third.

9) Ottawa after leading with a minute left

10) Embarrassed twice by a mediocre at best Caps team at home

But the other side of it s they have played well against good teams for the most part.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

It was awful timing on Lindgren and Miller then the league doesn’t let us use the emergency player rule. But if the goal is the Stanley Cup, getting is worth the stretch of playing short handed. They just played .800 hockey for 2 straight months. It’s not the end of the world to lose a few games while the team adjusts to TDL additions and playing without 2 of our 3 best defensemen.

How little do Rangers fans losing their minds right now have to think of Lindgren and Miller? They are huge parts of this team and they’ll both be back soon.

It's get on the ledge time to many whenever they lose a single game. Facts and circumstances don't seem to matter. The team just won 2 games when they were playing 11/4 and 11/5 but God forbid they lose tonight. Unacceptable. I don't get it either.

 

[Fvital92]

It’s so sad that our best forward draft pick is Chytil between Kakko, Lafreniere, Kravtsov and Andersson.
Even though I like Chytil a lot.

 

[Chytilmania]

It seems like every team plays the Rangers the same way. Clog the middle of the ice and move the puck to the middle of the ice/attack the goalie. The Rangers don’t do either.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Its gonna take a few games after we get miller back to gel, we made a lot of change in this lineup, good changes. Ottawa is a much better team than their record shows and we can't expect to roll them with only 2 top 4 d. I kinda expected a tough one tonight, and another on saturday.

 

[Row I Goon]

Meanwhile - Kravtsov got an assist v Wild.

Jus' saying.......

 

[will1066]

Phone battery at 88%. It's a sign.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Stop.

Do you need me to go through the resumes of the other non bruin “contenders?”

Those are like 8 of our 18 regulation losses (if you think the Caps losses weren't bad enough, that's 6 out of 18, still 1/3). I can't imagine a team with these many embarrassing losses that has a decent record.

 

[Holocene]

It's get on the ledge time to many whenever they lose a single game. Facts and circumstances don't seem to matter. The team just won 2 games when they were playing 11/4 and 11/5 but God forbid they lose tonight. Unacceptable. I don't get it either.

the problem is some people use hf as therapy sessions when they have emotional breakdowns after losing a regular season game. not even just this fanbase but most lol why else do people go read other teams boards after losses? cos it’s funny to see grown ass people losing their minds. there’s criticizing bad play and then there’s just being unhinged.

 

[Zarao71]

Nothing even stopping Boston from physically pummeling us on Saturday. Can’t afford to lose Trouba or any Dmen for a 5 min FM /possible injury.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

most of the impatient ranger fans if they were cops:

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I have no idea what this means, what does hajek have to do with Lingren getting hurt and Miller spitting on someone?

Space-Time Continuum

 

[PuckLuck3043]

If he showed something but was unlucky I'd be far less critical. Other than one chance that Panarin put on a silver platter late in the game that Talbot stopped he did nothing all game.

Dude I'm not going to get into it with you. You have been a tire fire of negativity tonight. The guy hasn't had a single Fing practice and just got to NY and he wasn't that bad. He played 16 years with Chicago. It's going to take some time for him to get acclimated and for the team to just calm down after the last week. I don't even know why we are even having this discussion. Have you seen the way Tarasenko has looked lately as he gets used to the new system and teammates? Amazing right?

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

My takeaways:
-This shorthanded roster crap can't end soon enough. It's brutal to watch.
-Schneider was hot garbage tonight. Blown coverages and soft plays all night. When Brassard is alone in front of the net with the puck, there is only one play. You make a beeline to him and knock him on his ass, since he can't score on his back. Then you find the puck and clear it. You don't skate to him, stop 3 feet away, and sweep your stick aimlessly in his general direction and get scored on.
-That goalie pull was HORRID. If you're even going to attempt that with that much time left (almost 3 mins!) in a one goal game, at least make sure you win the faceoff first. That 6th player isn't going to typically mean the difference between winning the faceoff and losing it. Still not impressed with Gallant and things like this are why.
-Their legs have looked like s*** for 2 weeks now. The breakouts were absolutely horrendous again. Slow walking the puck through the neutral zone...it does nothing except allow the D to stack four on the blueline. Also plenty of "outlet" passes from D to F skating back towards the Rangers zone again. Once again, they need to attack the neutral zone with speed to back defenders off, then, if they can't get a clean zone entry, dump and chase but dump as forwards are attacking with speed NOT flat footed.
-Team seemingly couldn't win a puck battle all night. I'll chalk it up to them being tired.
-I've realized that one of the biggest issues I have with Trocheck's game is that he has no idea where to go on the ice without the puck to help create offense. He's pretty good as a puck carrier, but without the puck...woof. Kane and Panarin had a nice give and go that created space somewhere in the second half of the game...don't recall the exact shift...perfect opportunity for the third forward to float into the slot and it would have been a great scoring opportunity. As Kane and Panarin passed the puck back and forth from the top of the circle while generally gaining on the Rangers' net...Trocheck was going behind the net. Not a passing option, not a shooting option. Again, grinder crap like this is what kills the offense.
-On getting to scoring areas, the forwards just didn't get it done. Talbot gave up probably 10 juicy rebounds and never was there a Ranger in the slot to finish the play. Again, stupid stuff. Forwards without the puck keep going past the net on chances, or to the strong side, the shot goes weak side and is predictably kicked out to the weak side or directly in the slot, and the forward who should be banging in the rebound is at the inside edge of the circle on the strong side, behind the net, or hanging back at the half wall.
-The PP looked good at times in zone, but their breakouts and zone entry were hot garbage, and the biggest reason they didn't score all night. Willing to give them more time because they haven't really practiced together, but this needs to improve, and fast.
-Loved seeing Tarasenko firing away. He's a huge weapon, and when he plays like the last 2 games, it will be a huge difference.
-For a first game, Kane played well. Completed most of his cross ice passes, and showed the intelligence both with and without the puck to put himself in better passing and shooting lanes. Generaly threatened offensively most shifts. Panarin was Jekyll and Hide. Sometimes, he looked like he and Kane completed each other, other times, he was zinging full speed two foot high saucer passes cross ice through 3D and acting surprised when they got blocked or the recipient couldn't handle them. Be more consistent.
-Disappointed with the lack of response to the physical play again. Trouba is the only one who ever seems to get mad and do something about it when people take liberties. You know I'm generally against the concept of a dedicated "enforcer" but I'm all about team toughness and I just don't see it too many nights when teams try to beat the Rangers up. Trouba destroyed DeBrincat and took a run at Tkachuk and just missed. Who else did anything? Vesey had a chance to cold cock a Sen with a clean legal hit on the blueline and didn't (skated away and avoided contact altogether). Mikkola had I thought his worst game as a Ranger tonight, which may be largely due to fatigue, but he was caught off guard and hit hard early, and I didn't really see him get mad or play more physical the entire rest of the game...instead he retreated into stick play, which was part of why he was so ineffective. When you get hit like that, you should be wanting payback.
-Can't really blame Halak at all tonight. Team hung him out to dry again. He made some great saves, especially early in the game.
-Laf got caught off guard on the GWG, but to me that was a hit without the puck and should have been called interference. Refs were inexpicably inconsistent and missed several obstruction hook/hold/interference type plays. The penalty on Mikkola was BS (despite as bad as he played), and many worse infractions went uncalled.
-I'm over the Kid Line at this point. Selectively it can be good to reuinte against teams with smaller D, but I'd like to see a change.

I'd generally go with (assuming NOT a short roster)
20-93-91 (chemistry improving, leave it a little longer)
10-72-88
13-16-24
14-21-26

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Those are like 8 of our 18 regulation losses (if you think the Caps losses weren't bad enough, that's 6 out of 18, still 1/3). I can't imagine a team with these many embarrassing losses that has a decent record.

Pick a team you consider to be a contender.

Here I'll get you started. This is Toronto.

Montreal
Arizona
San Jose
Anaheim
Arizona again
Montreal again (blowing a 2-0 lead)
Columbus
Chicago

Thats 8

Want me to go again? This won't end the way you want it to.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

My takeaways:
-This shorthanded roster crap can't end soon enough. It's brutal to watch.
-Schneider was hot garbage tonight. Blown coverages and soft plays all night. When Brassard is alone in front of the net with the puck, there is only one play. You make a beeline to him and knock him on his ass, since he can't score on his back. Then you find the puck and clear it. You don't skate to him, stop 3 feet away, and sweep your stick aimlessly in his general direction and get scored on.
-That goalie pull was HORRID. If you're even going to attempt that with that much time left (almost 3 mins!) in a one goal game, at least make sure you win the faceoff first. That 6th player isn't going to typically mean the difference between winning the faceoff and losing it. Still not impressed with Gallant and things like this are why.
-Their legs have looked like s*** for 2 weeks now. The breakouts were absolutely horrendous again. Slow walking the puck through the neutral zone...it does nothing except allow the D to stack four on the blueline. Also plenty of "outlet" passes from D to F skating back towards the Rangers zone again. Once again, they need to attack the neutral one with speed to back defenders off, then, if they can't get a clean zone entry, dump and chase but dump as forwards are attacking with speed.
-Team seemingly couldn't win a puck battle all night. I'll chalk it up to them being tired.
-I've realized that one of the biggest issues I have with Trocheck's game is that he has no idea where to go on the ice without the puck. He's pretty good as a puck carrier, but without the puck...woof. Kane and Panarin had a nice give and go that created space somewhere in the second half of the game...don't recall the exact shift...perfect opportunity for the third forward to float into the slot and it would have been a great scoring opportunity. As Kane and Panarin passed the puck back and forth from the top of the circle while generally gaining on the Rangers' net...Trocheck was going behind the net. Not a passing option, not a shooting option. Again, grinder crap like this is what kills the offense.
-On getting to scoring areas, the forwards just didn't get it done. Talbot gave up probably 10 juicy rebounds and never was there a Ranger in the slot to finish the play. Again, stupid stuff. Forwards without the puck keep going past the net on chances, or to the strong side, the shot goes weak side and is kicked out to the weak side or directly in the slot, and the forward who should be banging in the rebound is at the inside edge of the circle on the strong side.
-The PP looked good at times in zone, but their breakouts and zone entry were hot garbage, and the biggest reason they didn't score all night. Willing to give them more time because they haven't really practiced together, but this needs to improve, and fast.
-Loved seeing Tarasenko firing away. He's a huge weapon, and when he plays like the last 2 games, it will be a huge difference.
-For a first game, Kane played well. Completed most of his cross ice passes, and showed the intelligence both with and without the puck to put himself in better passing and shooting lanes. Generaly threatened offensively most shifts. Panarin was Jekyll and Hide. Sometimes, he looked like he and Kane completed each other, other times, he was zinging full speed two foot high saucer passes cross ice through 3D and acting surprised when they got blocked or the recipient couldn't handle them. Be more consistent.
-Disappointed with the lack of response to the physical play again. Trouba is the only one who ever seems to get mad and do something about it when people take liberties. You know I'm generally against the concept of a dedicated "enforcer" but I'm all about team toughness and I just don't see it too many nights when teams try to beat the Rangers up. Trouba destroyed DeBrincat and took a run at Tkachuk and just missed. Who else did anything? Vesey had a chance to cold cock a Sen with a clean legal hit on the blueline and didn't (skated away and avoided contact altogether). Mikkola had I thought his worst game as a Ranger tonight, which may be largely due to fatigue, but he was caught off guard and hit hard early, and I didn't really see him get mad or play more physical the entire rest of the game...instead he retreated into stick play, which was part of why he was so ineffective. When you get hit like that, you should be wanting payback.
-Can't really blame Halak at all tonight. Team hung him out to dry again. He made some great saves, especially early in the game.
-Laf got caught off guard on the GWG, but to me that was a hit without the puck and should have been called interference. Refs were inexpicably inconsistent and missed several obstruction hook/hold/interference type plays. The penalty on Mikkola was BS (despite as bad as he played), and many worse infractions went uncalled.
-I'm over the Kid Line at this point. Selectively it can be good to reuinte against teams with smaller D, but I'd like to see a change.

I'd generally go with (assuming NOT a short roster)
20-93-91 (chemistry improving, leave it a little longer)
10-72-88
13-16-24
14-21-26

Nice book, does it come in hard cover.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I feel like I'm much more positive and optimistic than the average fan; the average HFFan anyway. But adding both Tarasenko and Kane brings out my pessimism.

Superior skill, but a lack of team cohesion and will to win, isn't nearly enough to have success. We seen that play out for a decade plus before Bettman mercifully shackled us with the salary cap.

It's really cool to have Tarasenko and Kane in Rangers jerseys, and I'm sure we'll score a lot of nice goals for the remainder of the season. But, I don't like our chances in the playoffs any better than when we were running a third line of Kreider-Trochek-Goodrow and The Kid Line at #2.

It feels like we're trying to follow the model of Toronto or Edmonton instead of Boston or Tampa.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

the problem is some people use hf as therapy sessions when they have emotional breakdowns after losing a regular season game. not even just this fanbase but most lol why else do people go read other teams boards after losses? cos it’s funny to see grown ass people losing their minds. there’s criticizing bad play and then there’s just being unhinged.

I know right. It never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Zarao71]

Space-Time Continuum

It means we paid Hajek and his cap hit to sit in the stands for about 40 games.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Dude I'm not going to get into it with you. You have been a tire fire of negativity tonight. The guy hasn't had a single Fing practice and just got to NY and he wasn't that bad. He played 16 years with Chicago. It's going to take some time for him to get acclimated and for the team to just calm down after the last week. I don't even know why we are even having this discussion. Have you seen the way Tarasenko has looked lately as he gets used to the new system and teammates? Amazing right?

But he's not the first player to be under these circumstances and even Tarasenko who while not having great analytics contributed on the scoresheet right away. His age and injury is what worries me. If we somehow got a 30 year old healthy Kane (we wouldn't have I know) I wouldn't be worried about his play. Before we got a discount 90% of the board was saying he was done and we don't want him.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

But he's not the first player to be under these circumstances and even Tarasenko who while not having great analytics contributed on the scoresheet right away. His age and injury is what worries me. If we somehow got a 30 year old healthy Kane (we wouldn't have I know) I wouldn't be worried about his play. Before we got a discount 90% of the board was saying he was done and we don't want him.

You can be concerned about his age and possible injury but that's not what you are doing. You are already bitching about a player who has played exactly 1 game with his new team. This is lunacy.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You can be concerned about his age and possible injury but that's not what you are doing. You are already bitching about a player who has played exactly 1 game with his new team. This is lunacy.

Do you think my bitching about his play and my concern that he's done are unrelated?

 

[Ruggs225]

It seems like every team plays the Rangers the same way. Clog the middle of the ice and move the puck to the middle of the ice/attack the goalie. The Rangers don’t do either.

We dont have a coach. We have a gallant. He has no strategy. None whatsoever.