Player Discussion Peyton Krebs C/LW -- Re-signed 2 years, $1.45m AAV

[HolyGhost]

I don’t think he’s currently an NHL caliber player. Although I’m equally sure he will be.

No idea why he has taken a giant step back

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

The thing with Krebs is that he reads the ice and uses the space better than the other centers on the team. When he has the puck, he skates away from the D and slows things down, while all the other forwards tend to either skate the puck toward defenders in an attacking fashion, or they skate it torward their own players, limiting options.

Krebs reads the spacing well and slows the game down, which does create space for his linemates. Unfortunately, Krebs tries to thread miracle passes for the big highlight play nearly everytime he has the puck instead of taking the space, drawing in defenders, and then making the safe pass/play.

The athletes are too good at the NHL level to sneak passes through two defenders. Someone will always get a stick on the play when you try that. I am certain it worked for him for years in Junior, but he has to adapt. Trying to make those passes 12 times a game results in 11 losses of possession typically, and causes a huge amount of frustration among the watching fans... like us in this thread

I'll bet the over blown success rate for those passes in practice is part of the problem.

 

[ForsbergMoDo21]

I'll bet the over blown success rate for those passes in practice is part of the problem.

The problem is he’s practicing against the Buffalo Sabres defense.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

No idea why he has taken a giant step back

Buffalo?

 

[RefsIdeas]

We are ruining his development. Give him consistent minutes in a scoring role and he will produce. His 5v5 game still needs work though so Rochester is a perfectly good option at this point.

What's concerning to me, is that in the off-season Kevyn Adams said that he wants to ensure that he puts our prospects in the best position to succeed. He mentioned that he would rather have a player flourish in Rochester than just treading water in Buffalo.

What's odd though, is he will say that - but in the same vein say that he doesn't want to sign guys to "block" our prospects. I get not signing guys to a 7 year deal, but adding quality vets to shorter term contracts always made sense to me.

Krebs could be in Rochester right now flourishing on a top line role (they need centers anyways) + he could help out Rosen or Kulich on his wing. If there was an injury at center for the Sabres - Krebs could step in and he would need to prove that he belongs in the NHL each and every night. You could say the same about Quinn and/or Peterka. Since they've essentially been guaranteed an NHL spot and neither are going to go back to Rochester - there's no real consequence to not playing well. I'm not sure how that's so different than Adams "treading water" quote from the off-season. Could've signed a guy like Perron, Niederreiter, Domi, Kubalik - all who wouldn't have been here for longer than 2 years and could've helped this team in numerous ways.

 

[Chainshot]

No idea why he has taken a giant step back

Has he taken much of a step back though? Most of his stats look a lot like they did from last year, even a smidge better for many while so far having improved his giveaway rate. He's worse off in terms of PDO by a little as well.

 

[Panthaz89]

The problem is he’s practicing against the Buffalo Sabres defense.

the slot is rolled out on a red carpet the second our Dahlin-Power pairing steps off the ice.

 

[Panthaz89]

What's concerning to me, is that in the off-season Kevyn Adams said that he wants to ensure that he puts our prospects in the best position to succeed. He mentioned that he would rather have a player flourish in Rochester than just treading water in Buffalo.

What's odd though, is he will say that - but in the same vein say that he doesn't want to sign guys to "block" our prospects. I get not signing guys to a 7 year deal, but adding quality vets to shorter term contracts always made sense to me.

Krebs could be in Rochester right now flourishing on a top line role (they need centers anyways) + he could help out Rosen or Kulich on his wing. If there was an injury at center for the Sabres - Krebs could step in and he would need to prove that he belongs in the NHL each and every night. You could say the same about Quinn and/or Peterka. Since they've essentially been guaranteed an NHL spot and neither are going to go back to Rochester - there's no real consequence to not playing well. I'm not sure how that's so different than Adams "treading water" quote from the off-season. Could've signed a guy like Perron, Niederreiter, Domi, Kubalik - all who wouldn't have been here for longer than 2 years and could've helped this team in numerous ways.

If we send Peterka/Quinn down knowing that they already have dominated in that league might as well just close the doors to the Sabres arena because Sabres fans sure won't show up....like who are we replacing them with? The main reason you would want to send guys down is because they can't play in the NHL not simply because they are down in the lineup. I don't feel like Quinn or Peterka are getting ruined in any way.

 

[RefsIdeas]

If we send Peterka/Quinn down knowing that they already have dominated in that league might as well just close the doors to the Sabres arena because Sabres fans sure won't show up....like who are we replacing them with? The main reason you would want to send guys down is because they can't play in the NHL not simply because they are down in the lineup. I don't feel like Quinn or Peterka are getting ruined in any way.

At this point, you're right. They should stay up. It was my position in the off-season and currently that it would not have hurt to bring in 1 or 2 vets. Sorry if my post didn't make that clear.

 

[Tatanka]

No idea why he has taken a giant step back

A playmaker without an NHL shot is easily defended. He may create space, but defenders are not worried about his finish so they take away the pass option and dare him to score. They won’t let him walk in alone but they are not worried about him as a perimeter threat without the gun. Olofson is a similar player but you have to worry about the snipe.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

A playmaker without an NHL shot is easily defended. He may create space, but defenders are not worried about his finish so they take away the pass option and dare him to score. They won’t let him walk in alone but they are not worried about him as a perimeter threat without the gun. Olofson is a similar player but you have to worry about the snipe.

Adam Oates built quite a career out of that as did Joe Thornton. Krebs biggest problem is he's not processing fast enough so his lanes close before he can make a play

 

[Chainshot]

Some of his best games have been where he's working to get inside on defenses, getting to the net and trying to establish position. He had a couple of really solid games in that regard, then slipped back into being around the edges again. Honing him to be in pursuit mode constantly is also an option - his best games seem to come out of him being almost rabidly engaged in trying to win pucks all over the ice. Wind up him up like a Tasmanian Devil and let him go.

 

[Tatanka]

Adam Oates built quite a career out of that as did Joe Thornton. Krebs biggest problem is he's not processing fast enough so his lanes close before he can make a play

Oates and Thornton had NHL caliber shots. That is why they made a career out of it. You had to at least respect the shot.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

They're treating him like a pariah playing him on the fourth line. Right now Thompson and Cozens are the best centremen on the roster. At the same time, I'd rather see Casey on the bottom line, with Krebs getting access to more skill. Casey is more of the bottom line center than anyone on the roster. So honestly, trading Casey in a deal for a right handed defensemen makes some sense. Asplund is the bottom C when healthy. A line of Girgensons-Asplund-Jost or Okposo works for me. Keeping Jost also works, so we never have to see Bjork again.

 

[truthbluth]

They're treating him like a pariah playing him on the fourth line. Right now Thompson and Cozens are the best centremen on the roster. At the same time, I'd rather see Casey on the bottom pair, with Krebs getting access to more skill. Casey is more of the bottom line center than anyone on the roster. So honestly, trading Casey in a deal for a right handed defensemen makes some sense. Asplund is the bottom C when healthy. A line of Girgensons-Asplund-Jost or Okposo works for me. Keeping Jost also works, so we never have to see Bjork again.

I just disagree. Peyton on the 4th line is working. He's fine where he is.

 

[Fjordy]

I just disagree. Peyton on the 4th line is working. He's fine where he is.

Do we want he to be 4C? I think he was really decent with Zemgus and Asplund earlier. Or we want him to be 1C in Rochester with a lot of ice time and at PP1.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I want him to get better, raise his trade value and be traded to Calgary with Kisakov, two 2nds and Bryson/Fitzgerald for Rasmus Andersson. It's not happening but that's my hope and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Fjordy]

I want him to get better, raise his trade value and be traded to Calgary with Kisakov, two 2nds and Bryson/Fitzgerald for Rasmus Andersson. It's not happening but that's my hope and I'm sticking to it.

Yes, this is not happening. I think if there was any kind of deal, then maybe even for RD prospect or RD is simpler than Andersson. But it's probably too soon.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Krebs unfortunately as a center (who is not a capable on the wing because it doesn't suit his skill set at all which also presents problems) is the odd man out this season because they are absolutely seeing what they have in Mittelstadt. Krebs will get his opportunity to access more skill in the second half of the season / next year.

 

[debaser66]

They're treating him like a pariah playing him on the fourth line. Right now Thompson and Cozens are the best centremen on the roster. At the same time, I'd rather see Casey on the bottom line, with Krebs getting access to more skill. Casey is more of the bottom line center than anyone on the roster. So honestly, trading Casey in a deal for a right handed defensemen makes some sense. Asplund is the bottom C when healthy. A line of Girgensons-Asplund-Jost or Okposo works for me. Keeping Jost also works, so we never have to see Bjork again.

Krebs should be sent to ROC if they want him to play more.
he is nowhere near the level Mitts is.
Casey is 6th in PTS, just behind Cozens, while Krebs has 3 PTS in 17 GP

 

[Fjordy]

Krebs should be sent to ROC if they want him to play more.
he is nowhere near the level Mitts is.
Casey is 6th in PTS, just behind Cozens, while Krebs has 3 PTS in 17 GP

Is it possible to evaluate a player only on points? Skinner can play two great games, score 7 points in them, and then do nothing for five games in a row. Casey scored almost all of his points at PP and his current line is doing little at ES. I'm not saying that Krebs was good, but the Mittelstadt line wasn't great either. They need to produce something at ES, or engage in physical play and play in defense, points on PP are also useful, but usually this is not enough.

 

[debaser66]

Is it possible to evaluate a player only on points? Skinner can play two great games, score 7 points in them, and then do nothing for five games in a row. Casey scored almost all of his points at PP and his current line is doing little at ES. I'm not saying that Krebs was good, but the Mittelstadt line wasn't great either. They need to produce something at ES, or engage in physical play and play in defense, points on PP are also useful, but usually this is not enough.

He can win Faceoffs and has the strength to battle for the puck while Krebs is still to slender.
I would rather see him in ROC to develop his game, he is few steps behind Quinn & Peterka.
I would say if they play him as much as Mitts it would hurt the team more & their abilitiy to win games.

 

[Fjordy]

He can win Faceoffs and has the strength to battle for the puck while Krebs is still to slender.
I would rather see him in ROC to develop his game, he is few steps behind Quinn & Peterka.
I would say if they play him as much as Mitts it would hurt the team more & their abilitiy to win games.

I agree that Krebs is probably better off playing a lot of time in Rochester at center, although he looked decent with Zemgus and Asplund, that could also be an option if Granato thinks Krebs would be better off in the NHL.

I was just saying that Mittelstadt's line didn't look good and it's not necessarily his fault, it could be his wingers' fault or their lack of chemistry.

 

[Chainshot]

It's time for Peyton to work on his game every night in all situations in Rochester. This rotation is not serving him.

 

[Faceboner]

It's time for Peyton to work on his game every night in all situations in Rochester. This rotation is not serving him.

1c minutes all situations maybe a few double shifts and more practice opportunity