Friedman: Pettersson says he’ll only re-sign if Canucks have successful season

[StewieP19]

Vancouver can make playoff this year if they have no players injured and if goalie can be good.
They are not a top division team so for him what is a good season making playoff is it enough ?

 

[Bgav]

successful can mean just not a shit a show lol

 

[eojsmada]

Revisionist history, Garland was considered by most to be a very solid addition after some very underrated seasons in AZ. OEL, you are correct.

Garland was supposed to be a middle-six forward for Vancouver who was never going to get the PP time that he did in Arizona, so his statistics (such as they were) were already capped at a 40 point max and probably more destined to be in the 30-40 range and every Canucks fan knew that going in, at the time.

He was included in the trade because they needed to square the number of contracts that were going back the other way. What he did after that is superfluous to the trade happening at the time. That Arizona so easily got rid of him as the throw-in to this deal, should have been the red light. Unless, of course, Benning simply was making the move to try and save his job (which was most likely the case) so including a prospect type player in the deal at almost league minimum was palatable to Benning.

The eye test, when playing against him, was always that he was too easily knocked off the puck and played a heavy perimeter game. His comparable was of a Max Domi-lite kind of player. More grit than actual substance so he always looked like he was punching above his weight class, when in fact he was usually skating to nowhere against more competitive teams.

Ironically, both Domi and Garland had career seasons after getting traded from Arizona, never to repeat that level of success again.

 

[Peter Griffin]

But, Eichel had a long term contract with no trade protection. Petey will be one year from UFA.

An EP trade next offseason is very unlikely to come without an extension in place ala the Tkachuk trade.

The PLD trade only netted Villardi and a second. Kupari is already 23 - he could still turn into something, but very unlikely he's a star. Iafallo is good, but 29 and signed for 2 years. Kings also needed to shed cap.

PLD is nowhere near EP value-wise.

 

[Raistlin]

An EP trade next offseason is very unlikely to come without an extension in place ala the Tkachuk trade.


PLD is nowhere near EP value-wise.

EP is basically a 6'2 Jack Hughes that can win face offs, is on PP1 and PK1 and plays Selke level defense at 5on5. Hes not PLD.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Looking at teams before the season starts

I think we have a few teams fighting for those wild card spots

Flames Canucks Jets kraken

Kings Oilers Vegas
Avalanche Wild Stars

So the Flames Canucks Jets Kraken 2 of them will get in.

Kraken I think will get that that first wild card spot.

3 Canadian teams and only 1 spot. Going to be tough. If EP performs like he did this past year he better get in.

 

[SEALBound]

You're making the assumption that the team said to him "we're trying to build a contender, this will take time" when that definitely was not the case - the Canucks thought they were much closer than they actually were when Pettersson started his career there. On the contrary, if a player is told his team is close and they just need a little bit of this or that to contend, and they fail to even compete for the playoffs, you have to assume any player that cares about winning will question team management and their ability to assess talent and build a true contender. I think this is Pettersson's mindset.

And to your first point, there's a salary cap so this just wouldn't happen.

Based on what?

They resigned Miller, they resigned Kuzmenko, they resigned Boeser, they traded for Hronek, they signed Cole and Soucey to bolster their defense.

In what world is not that trying to "build a contender". Yeah it doesn't work out sometimes. Again, it's tough to win in the NHL. Thats where my moment of hesitation comes in at before cheering EP on for this quote. If he wants to leave, do it as a UFA. Don't ditch the team because you didn't win it all.

 

[AvStock]

Rantanen + for Petey from Colorado. Thoughts?

 

[Mitts]

Lmao no pressure.

 

[serp]

Makes sense. Why in the world would Petterson ssay with an organisation that has been incredibly chaotic since he got there without the team first showing at least some kind of progress so it might actually turn out fine. Don't wanna waste your career on a team thats a disfunctional mess .

At least he still leaves the door open. Canucks haven't exactly done much to earn even that

 

[gritdash60]

So what Pettersson said is: "trade me", there is like 0.6% chance Canucks are good this year.

 

[Luck 6]

Vancouver can make playoff this year if they have no players injured and if goalie can be good.
They are not a top division team so for him what is a good season making playoff is it enough ?

I would say yes, because that is progress. It sets a new bar. It's unusual to go from bottom dweller to true contender in a single season, that would just be an unrealistic expectation. I would say that if the team makes it in the playoffs, that should be deemed a success for this year.

From there, we can continue to move out bad contracts, and build around our core. We do have some good young prospects in the pipeline in Willander and Lekkermaki (not to mention a few others), and, we will have some cap space opening up despite having to pay a sizeable amount to Pettersson.

 

[CherryToke]

I think it's more about Petey wanting to put up another 100 point season before discussing another contract. Back to back 100 point seasons changes contract negotiations considerably.

 

[Sigurd]

Necas, Nikishin, and a 1st

I'd be willing to do that as a Hurricanes fan.

Necas we have a good idea of his skill (which is high) and he gives you guys a young all-star tier top 6 forward in exchange for Pettersson, but Nikishin is an amazing prospect that I'm curious to see how well he does in the NHL after his contract in the KHL ends. Personally, after what I've read about him, I think he'll probably be one of the best defensemen in the NHL.

I think the Canes would like to keep Nikishin based on them saying during last season's trade deadline he was off the table; even when we were in hot pursuit of Meier. However, EP is a lot more valuable than Meier IMO. So, it'd be interesting to see if they'd consider trading him for EP.

I agree but looking at how Carolina acquires players, it’s just not in their DNA to give up good young pieces for a bigger piece. But a package of peace, necas and a protected 1st is a good baseline

I think the Canes are tired of missing out on young all-star forwards since last summer (I know we as fans sure are; I am), and Pettersson is one of the better ones that could theoretically become available in years. If he becomes available, I imagine Carolina will make a fair offer for Pettersson.

Also, with EP being a RFA that wants to play for a successful team, which Carolina is, and since we have the assets and cap space to get him, I think our team has decent odds of getting him compared to most.

I was thinking Necas, Skjei (extended), Morrow and a 1st

Not bad IMO.

I'm a Canucks fan and I'm down for Necas, Nikishin, and a 1st.

If Pettersson moves, I want him going to Carolina. They have some of the best young players in the league and can afford to move them.

Petey would fit in great down there too. In their defense first systems.

I'd be okay with that proposal as I just said to LemonSauceD.

You sure you aren't a Canes fan

He's not. I've never seen him on our board, or cheering for the Hurricanes on the main board.

 

[Xirik]

Based on what?

They resigned Miller, they resigned Kuzmenko, they resigned Boeser, they traded for Hronek, they signed Cole and Soucey to bolster their defense.

In what world is not that trying to "build a contender". Yeah it doesn't work out sometimes. Again, it's tough to win in the NHL. Thats where my moment of hesitation comes in at before cheering EP on for this quote. If he wants to leave, do it as a UFA. Don't ditch the team because you didn't win it all.

Correction
They resigned and then immediately tried to give him away.

 

[tailfins]

An EP trade next offseason is very unlikely to come without an extension in place ala the Tkachuk trade.


PLD is nowhere near EP value-wise.

All true (IMO). My point was that Peterson drives a lot of his market. If he says I’m only signing an extension with Boston, Vancouver either trades him as a one year rental or for whatever they can get from Boston. That’s the only reason I brought up PLD - it was rumored he had a short list of potential teams, and I believe that reduced the return.

 

[Connor McConnor]

EP is basically a 6'2 Jack Hughes that can win face offs, is on PP1 and PK1 and plays Selke level defense at 5on5. Hes not PLD.

He plays nothing like Jack Hughes.. like at all. Weird evaluation of your own player.

 

[Raistlin]

He plays nothing like Jack Hughes.. like at all. Weird evaluation of your own player.

the comparison is value to the team, not talking playstyle at all.

 

[McVespa99]

Truth hurts? They are at different stages but still suffering from similar results.

One team is failing to make the playoffs that should be

One team is failing to go deep in the playoffs that should be

Lol. You are one of a kind zero....

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Don't blame him

Love made him crazy. And if it didn't, he ain't doin it right.

 

[doublechili]

Not saying it could, would or should happen, but if we're throwing around trade ideas why no mention of Barzal as part of a deal for EP? VAN native, 26 years old, signed for 8 more years and trade protection doesn't kick in until next summer.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Let the garbage trade proposals commence.

 

[Heldig]

Rangers were very high on him in 2017, we should be all over this.
Perhaps a package consisting of...

(Trocheck or Chytil)
+
(Kakko or Lafreniere)
+
(Schneider or Miller)
+
(Othmann, Perreault, or 2025 1st)

Canucks would do that in a heartbeat.

Chytil+Lafreniere+Schneider+Othman is a haul

 

[krutovsdonut]

I think it's more about Petey wanting to put up another 100 point season before discussing another contract. Back to back 100 point seasons changes contract negotiations considerably.

it could be a ploy if the team opened low on an extension offer this summer, but realistically would it be much more than what he'd get anyway right now? he has the team over a barrel and he's getting 8 years either way. plus he's risking injury not extending now.

it's a crazy bet just for the money. he's surely doing this so he can force a trade and control where he plays out his career.

 

[King 88]

I mean being last and getting 1st pick can be seen as success