Friedman: Pettersson says he’ll only re-sign if Canucks have successful season

[RedHawkDown]

Oh right 2024 is the next draft, my bad.

Cozens, 2024 1st, Ostlund, Rosen/Savoie would work then?

I'm gonna go ahead and say there's no chance Pettersson gets a package this huge if he's refusing to sign in Vancouver and they have to trade him anyways. This is a U23 2nd line C with 1st line potential, a mid first, and then 2 players who have 1st line potential. I can't even remember the last player that got this much in a trade. Eichel got a lot less.

From Detroit I'd offer Kasper/Danielson + Berggren + Wallinder/ASP + 24/25 1st, but that Sabres offer easily beats that.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

As always the proposals I see in the thread are mostly massive overpays. If pettersson wants to he can force his way out to where he wants to go. I think it’s likely if Vancouver is a dumpster fire again that will happen. Detroit, columbus, Carolina I think make a lot of sense here as potential landing spots. But this is far in the future.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

If he puts up 100 again this dude is gonna make 14 mill+

 

[SEALBound]

Need this from more players

Overall, I disagree. Otherwise what you;ll end up with is a smaller group of teams competing and a larger number of teams in no-man's land that are stuck in purgatory.

I would have compassion for him if it was him and 11 4th line caliber players and the GM and owners refused to spend money and they are at the cap floor. Bottom line, it's tough to build complete hockey teams. It's tough to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think JR or Allvin are sitting at their desks going "lets not try to win!"

Fact is, they have JT Miller signed long-term, Boeser, Kuzy, Garland, and Beauvillier with Mikheyev and Pearson on LTIR. So its not like they haven't collected a nice assortment of players. They have a good goalie and they have an okay defense. It takes time to build Cup-caliber teams. There are 31 teams every year that do not win the cup. 16 don't make the playoffs. There are a lot of things that go into it to as well like injury luck/bad luck.

So yeah, I'm not keen on this "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" remark. Get your ass on the ice and make it happen. The idea of "Well I want to go to a team that's already done the work" is not the best look IMHO.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I'm gonna go ahead and say there's no chance Pettersson gets a package this huge if he's refusing to sign in Vancouver and they have to trade him anyways. This is a U23 2nd line C with 1st line potential, a mid first, and then 2 players who have 1st line potential. I can't even remember the last player that got this much in a trade.

Yea, realistically one of Ostlund, Rosen/Savoie wouldn’t be involved.

Eichel got a lot less.

Eichel was also coming off major surgery and unavailable at the time of the trade and individually had never had a season as good as Pettersson did last year. EP’s value should be higher.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Cozens + BUF 2025 and 2026 1sts + Ostlund?

Cozens, Kulich or Savoie, Quinn, and 2024 1st

 

[innitfam]

Oh right 2024 is the next draft, my bad.

Cozens, 2024 1st, Ostlund, Rosen/Savoie would work then?

You can probably remove the 4th piece (one of Rosen/Savoie) and it's still a great return for Vancouver IMO

 

[eojsmada]

The sad part is they actually tried to improve the team....it was just so horribly mismanaged. Pettersson sees the roster and knows they have no chance. He’s just preparing the fans and organization for his departure.

I'm sure they had the "noblest" of intentions of trying to keep their job....I mean...improving the team, but trading for either one of Garland or OEL was always going to be a massive mistake. Jay Beagle was a glue guy and losing a first rounder was always a bad idea when you're still building a team. And everything that happened after that was because of how bad a trade it was, both personnel-wise and cap-wise. Just hubris to believe that it could have worked.

 

[Szechwan]

I'm sure they had the "noblest" of intentions of trying to keep their job....I mean...improving the team, but trading for either one of Garland or OEL was always going to be a massive mistake. Jay Beagle was a glue guy and losing a first rounder was always a bad idea when you're still building a team. And everything that happened after that was because of how bad a trade it was, both personnel-wise and cap-wise. Just hubris to believe that it could have worked.

Revisionist history, Garland was considered by most to be a very solid addition after some very underrated seasons in AZ. OEL, you are correct.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Overall, I disagree. Otherwise what you;ll end up with is a smaller group of teams competing and a larger number of teams in no-man's land that are stuck in purgatory.

I would have compassion for him if it was him and 11 4th line caliber players and the GM and owners refused to spend money and they are at the cap floor. Bottom line, it's tough to build complete hockey teams. It's tough to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think JR or Allvin are sitting at their desks going "lets not try to win!"

Fact is, they have JT Miller signed long-term, Boeser, Kuzy, Garland, and Beauvillier with Mikheyev and Pearson on LTIR. So its not like they haven't collected a nice assortment of players. They have a good goalie and they have an okay defense. It takes time to build Cup-caliber teams. There are 31 teams every year that do not win the cup. 16 don't make the playoffs. There are a lot of things that go into it to as well like injury luck/bad luck.

So yeah, I'm not keen on this "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" remark. Get your ass on the ice and make it happen. The idea of "Well I want to go to a team that's already done the work" is not the best look IMHO.

Does he really want to go to a stacked team for a cup a la Kevin Durant or does he just want to get away from Aquaman and the stink of Vancouver has tired him? I mean petey is not dumb (i think) , the average fan knows vancouver ownership is a clownshow and a tirefire. If anything he knows better than us since he's actually seen the players Benning brought in up close and surely he can't believe a proffesional NHL team would make the multiple mistakes they have made in the past half decade.

Or it could just be a negotiation tactic to put pressure on them for big bucks on the next contract.

I totally agree with you that players shouldn't just quit on their teams and go hopping wherever they want but they should still have SOME control over their career especially if they were in a tire fire situation but I disagree with the notion that petey just wants a free cup I think he just wants to compete in the playoffs , clearly he thinks the team cant win if his comments are truthful , regardless if he puts up 100 points or not.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Overall, I disagree. Otherwise what you;ll end up with is a smaller group of teams competing and a larger number of teams in no-man's land that are stuck in purgatory.

I would have compassion for him if it was him and 11 4th line caliber players and the GM and owners refused to spend money and they are at the cap floor. Bottom line, it's tough to build complete hockey teams. It's tough to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think JR or Allvin are sitting at their desks going "lets not try to win!"

Fact is, they have JT Miller signed long-term, Boeser, Kuzy, Garland, and Beauvillier with Mikheyev and Pearson on LTIR. So its not like they haven't collected a nice assortment of players. They have a good goalie and they have an okay defense. It takes time to build Cup-caliber teams. There are 31 teams every year that do not win the cup. 16 don't make the playoffs. There are a lot of things that go into it to as well like injury luck/bad luck.

So yeah, I'm not keen on this "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" remark. Get your ass on the ice and make it happen. The idea of "Well I want to go to a team that's already done the work" is not the best look IMHO.

While I understand your point - but from a player's perspective "we're trying" gets old. I get that building a team is difficult, but EP will give the Canucks likely what ends up being at least half his career. If the Canucks aren't moving in the right direction after that point in time - EP doesn't owe the organization.

If EP wasn't already scoring 100 points year, I might see your point. IMO - there is literally nothing else he can do. I get the organization currently might be hampered by Benning's mistakes from the last 5 years - but that's not in EP's control.

I think that the "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" is an interpretation of what he said. You could also make that out to "If we're not competitive and improving, I'm not resigning long term". I'd rather a player be blunt, than have them pull the Tavares platitudes and then bail on the organization.

 

[sting101]

As a Canucks fan i have no issues with the best players putting pressure back on management to perform. Why should they shoulder the loads when incompetence gives them little chance at success?

1 playoff team in 5 yrs and then some tough love situations with Boudreau OEL Dickinson and Horvat has to leave some distaste in how the business side of things works but also an understanding that when cap dollars are not spent appropriately it's a direct detriment to a teams ability to build successfully.

Pettersson knows that his career is short. I think it's less about squeezing dollars and more about a mutual understanding that PA and JR can build a winner that the core are on the same page he is happy and that it makes sense to stay and for how long. Good on him for not just chasing security in dollars he's ultra confident that he will earn more than enough but wants to have a proper legacy in a grander scale than just regular season stats.

It's very much on EP40 now to take a leadership role as well. Last year was a tough divorce from non structured hockey with Boudreau and a captain that very much said Fxxx it i'm going to fly the zone and get paid vs playing a sound 200ft game. Buying out OEL was a massive investment from ownership to say were not willing to be a country club for players looking to play beer league level defense also.

Not concerned at all. The way Pettersson Hughes Miller Boeser and Demko played once the above 3 were gone shows well and the support pieces are way better. Gonna be a fun season in Van

 

[TLEH]

I’d prefer a return that involves Moore, Korchinski, and Chicago’s 1st (can be conditional where it gets deferred to the next year at Chicago’s choice). That is more quality than quantity. And depending on the overall package and whether the Canucks intend to do a proper rebuild, we could take back Seth Jones as a cap dump if Chicago adds.

Probably gets too complicated with Jones involved.

I wouldn't be willing to part with Korchinski or next years first to be honest. I would move Moore and Korchinski.. but not the 1st.

Parting with a first and then being garbage is how we gave away the pick for Jiricek.

Realize that might make the deal no good for Vancouver, but I can't imagine Chicago not agreeing with my stance.

 

[EverTheCynic]

I'm a Canucks fan and I'm down for Necas, Nikishin, and a 1st.

If Pettersson moves, I want him going to Carolina. They have some of the best young players in the league and can afford to move them.

Petey would fit in great down there too. In their defense first systems.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I'm sure they had the "noblest" of intentions of trying to keep their job....I mean...improving the team, but trading for either one of Garland or OEL was always going to be a massive mistake. Jay Beagle was a glue guy and losing a first rounder was always a bad idea when you're still building a team. And everything that happened after that was because of how bad a trade it was, both personnel-wise and cap-wise. Just hubris to believe that it could have worked.

Have to agree with others above that this is revisionist history. From my memory, the Canucks moved 9th OA and 3 bad to terrible contracts (Eagle, Erickson, Beagle), for a 25 YO legit 2nd liner in Garland (who they were immediately able to lock up for 5 years at reasonable $), and a struggling 30 YO OEL who also had some salary retained by the Yotes. Obviously - there was risk that OEL would continue to struggle, but at the time of the deal there was also the chance that OEL could bounce back on a better team. A bunch of similar guys looked bad playing on a terrible team, only to be able to turn it around after getting dealt. Unfortunately, OEL wasn't one of those guys.

 

[TLEH]

I'm a Canucks fan and I'm down for Necas, Nikishin, and a 1st.

If Pettersson moves, I want him going to Carolina. They have some of the best young players in the league and can afford to move them.

Petey would fit in great down there too. In their defense first systems.

You sure you aren't a Canes fan

 

[cfj007]

You sure you aren't a Canes fan

Change Necas to Svech, the first to KK, and add Pesce and we'll throw in two wingers of your choice and Myers....

 

[Aladyyn]

I'm gonna go ahead and say there's no chance Pettersson gets a package this huge if he's refusing to sign in Vancouver and they have to trade him anyways. This is a U23 2nd line C with 1st line potential, a mid first, and then 2 players who have 1st line potential. I can't even remember the last player that got this much in a trade. Eichel got a lot less.

From Detroit I'd offer Kasper/Danielson + Berggren + Wallinder/ASP + 24/25 1st, but that Sabres offer easily beats that.

I would only offer that package right now, before the off-season ends and training camp starts. If we're talking next summer when he's potentially holding out it's a different conversation

 

[HFpapi]

I'm just throwing shit at the wall for fun since a) this trade never happens and b) I think EP resigns anyways when he's staring down the barrel of an 88 million $ deal. (Maybe more).

But let's say it's obvious he's going to leave.

EP traded for Nico Hischier with a + (1st round pick)?

Canucks lose the trade but nevertheless still walk away with an 80 point, Selke caliber C signed for 8 years.

Devils upgrade on an already insane 1/2 C punch and end up with the nastiest center combo in the league for the next decade. (This assumes EP is ready to resign which I'm guessing for NJD he would).

 

[Aladyyn]

Cozens, Kulich or Savoie, Quinn, and 2024 1st

Gonna be a hard no on Quinn from me

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Change Necas to Svech, the first to KK, and add Pesce and we'll throw in two wingers of your choice and Myers....

Yea, no

 

[Osakahaus]

If he puts up 100 again this dude is gonna make 14 mill+

But he won't because of the salary cap

 

[dirtydanglez]

and???

thats like bragging about Boudreau being 32-15 when he was hired midseason

and..

i think they'll do better this year.

 

[tailfins]

Eichel was also coming off major surgery and unavailable at the time of the trade and individually had never had a season as good as Pettersson did last year. EP’s value should be higher.

But, Eichel had a long term contract with no trade protection. Petey will be one year from UFA.

The PLD trade only netted Villardi and a second. Kupari is already 23 - he could still turn into something, but very unlikely he's a star. Iafallo is good, but 29 and signed for 2 years. Kings also needed to shed cap.

 

[Accelleratii]

Overall, I disagree. Otherwise what you;ll end up with is a smaller group of teams competing and a larger number of teams in no-man's land that are stuck in purgatory.

I would have compassion for him if it was him and 11 4th line caliber players and the GM and owners refused to spend money and they are at the cap floor. Bottom line, it's tough to build complete hockey teams. It's tough to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think JR or Allvin are sitting at their desks going "lets not try to win!"

Fact is, they have JT Miller signed long-term, Boeser, Kuzy, Garland, and Beauvillier with Mikheyev and Pearson on LTIR. So its not like they haven't collected a nice assortment of players. They have a good goalie and they have an okay defense. It takes time to build Cup-caliber teams. There are 31 teams every year that do not win the cup. 16 don't make the playoffs. There are a lot of things that go into it to as well like injury luck/bad luck.

So yeah, I'm not keen on this "if we don't win, I'm not resigning" remark. Get your ass on the ice and make it happen. The idea of "Well I want to go to a team that's already done the work" is not the best look IMHO.

You're making the assumption that the team said to him "we're trying to build a contender, this will take time" when that definitely was not the case - the Canucks thought they were much closer than they actually were when Pettersson started his career there. On the contrary, if a player is told his team is close and they just need a little bit of this or that to contend, and they fail to even compete for the playoffs, you have to assume any player that cares about winning will question team management and their ability to assess talent and build a true contender. I think this is Pettersson's mindset.

And to your first point, there's a salary cap so this just wouldn't happen.