Post-Game Talk: Pettersson def. Kraken - 6-5 (SO) (Pettersson x2, Pederson, Boeser, Kuzmenko) (Petey SO Winner)

racerjoe

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What’s funny is that their goaltending hasn’t even been better than ours. Only 0.45% better but our goaltending faces more high danger chances. The difference though is that Seattle actually limits their scoring chances and shots in front of their goalies. Plus they score more.

I keep hearing that if we had average goaltending than we would be in the playoff race. If Seattle had average goaltending they may be leading the division right now.

That was Seattles biggest downfall last year was their goaltending. It is why they finished where they did.

If we are talking about this years Canuck team I still think with average goaltending we would be in a playoff spot... I think it would have stopped a spiral that seems to have happened at a couple spots, this is not to say that this is a good team or that we could do what Seattle has done though.
 
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That was Seattles biggest downfall last year was their goaltending. It is why they finished where they did.

If we are talking about this years Canuck team I still think with average goaltending we would be in a playoff spot... I think it would have stopped a spiral that seems to have happened at a couple spots, this is not to say that this is a good team or that we could do what Seattle has done though.

Their goaltending is bad this year as well. But they have been great at both ends and they are overcoming it.

I don't think we'd be in a playoff spot. I just keep on hearing it.
 

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I think they just accidentally got the spots reversed for Stillman(LD) and Burroughs(RD). So its really Burroughs coming in for Bear. If they are playing them both on their wrong sides then heaven help us lol

Would be nice if Miller showed even half the spirit and skill he showed last year.

Crazy they are so bad on home ice with last change and matchup ability etc. Its as if we have no system
 

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Their goaltending is bad this year as well. But they have been great at both ends and they are overcoming it.

I don't think we'd be in a playoff spot. I just keep on hearing it.

It looks bleak now, but you don't think with average goaltending we win a couple of the games to start the season when we collapsed?
 

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It looks bleak now, but you don't think with average goaltending we win a couple of the games to start the season when we collapsed?

if the team had started 5-0-2 instead of 0-5-2 they'd be tied with seattle at 39 points and in 7th place in the west, 1 point up on colorado and edmonton in 8th and 9th and 3 points up on calgary in 10th

i don't think people understand how bad this team is
 

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if the team had started 5-0-2 instead of 0-5-2 they'd be tied with seattle at 39 points and in 7th place in the west, 1 point up on colorado and edmonton in 8th and 9th and 3 points up on calgary in 10th

i don't think people understand how bad this team is

I think two things, first that doesn't take into account games in hand and I think we have a few on EDM at least would need to check the other teams.

Also I think much like Seattle last year, after a crappy start and struggling to get back into it they hit a wall and there is no doubt the last bit they have been a terrible team that isn't good or fun to watch. I just don't think we get to that point if things had started differently.

Again none of this is to say I think we were/are a good team, this more has to do with how bad the West is.
 

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These coaching decisions have just been atrocious. We saw it in the 0-5-2 start in every third period, and we've seen it all season with the inexplicable dressing of Stillman over Burroughs and now Bear. Cannot imagine why they're keeping Boudreau around.
 

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If we win tonight AND win the next game …. And those are huge ifs…. We will be .500!!!


Hahahahaha what a f***ing dumpster fire.

Joke 50 year plus loser franchise vs a second year year professionally run better franchise

Will be so happy when Hogs, Podz and Rathbone walk away from this crapshow team


2 things can be true and unrelated. For example, the franchise is a joke yes. Has been since existence outside of a 2 year blip.

Also the above mentioned players are all terrible and shouldn’t / wouldn’t see the ice on a decent team.
 

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It looks bleak now, but you don't think with average goaltending we win a couple of the games to start the season when we collapsed?

With average goaltending we would be in the bubble. Maybe in the playoff spot but maybe not.

Also every team in the pacific other than Vegas have had below average goaltending. The difference between us and teams like LA and Seattle is not goaltending, but those teams actually play well in front of the goalie.
 

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i think most of the people who think the canucks would be in the playoff picture with goaltending like last season are unaware how much goaltending has regressed league wide this season. almost every team is getting markedly worse goaltending this year than last. the canucks are not unlucky or cursed in this regard
 
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It looks bleak now, but you don't think with average goaltending we win a couple of the games to start the season when we collapsed?

Nope, because if we apply that rule to the teams we played as well, they'd probably smoke us harder. We've been a bottom tier team by essentially any metric.
 

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5 gm segments:
0-3-2
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3-2-0
3-2-0
3-2-0
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10 gm segments:
2-6-2
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5-5-0 in last 10

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7 game series theory...

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Need to find traction.
 

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I think pointing at average goaltending is a bit of red herring. Our team defense is so bad that I think average goaltending would provide a substantially below average save %. How many goalies in the league could even put up a 0.915% or better on this team? It was borderline vezina calibre goaltending when Markstrom and Demko put up those numbers here and our team defense seems even worse this year than those years.
 
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I think pointing at average goaltending is a bit of red herring. Our team defense is so bad that I think average goaltending would provide a substantially below average save %. How many goalies in the league could even put up a 0.915% or better on this team? It was borderline vezina calibre goaltending when Markstrom and Demko put up those numbers here and our team defense seems even worse this year than those years.

Plus average is like .900 this year and we are a bottom 10 defensive team.
 
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i think most of the people who think the canucks would be in the playoff picture with goaltending like last season are unaware how much goaltending has regressed league wide this season. almost every team is getting markedly worse goaltending this year than last. the canucks are not unlucky or cursed in this regard
Come on man…The tandem of Demko/Martin was rated in the top 7 before the season started by most experts..Sure goaltending % are down somewhat this season..but if you haven’t noticed that Demko has fallen off a cliff,and Martin is struggling as a #1..you need to get your eyesight checked..

 
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Come on man…The tandem of Demko/Martin was rated in the top 7 before the season started by most experts..Sure goaltending % are down somewhat this season..but if you haven’t noticed that Demko has fallen off a cliff,and Martin is struggling as a #1..you need to get your eyesight checked..


i dunno why i engage with you but if the canucks had the penguins goaltending (7th best in the league) they'd still be at -3 goals on the year. maybe they'd be 9th in the west instead of 12th
 

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Come on man…The tandem of Demko/Martin was rated in the top 7 before the season started by most experts..Sure goaltending % are down somewhat this season..but if you haven’t noticed that Demko has fallen off a cliff,and Martin is struggling as a #1..you need to get your eyesight checked..

What do you think this season looks like if we switched out Demko and Martin for Shesterkin and the best performing backup this year? At least conference final?
 

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These coaching decisions have just been atrocious. We saw it in the 0-5-2 start in every third period, and we've seen it all season with the inexplicable dressing of Stillman over Burroughs and now Bear. Cannot imagine why they're keeping Boudreau around.
It makes no sense to continue to go to players who have continually crapped the bed and yet here we are. There's every reason to sit players like OEL, Myers, Stillman and Miller when they mail it in. Embarrassing players can be an effective tool when giving them a massively long rope isn't working.

All that said, if you want this team to draft high, then by all means, keep utilizing these players regardless of their play, as they are most certainly tank commanders. Stillman alone has probably cost the team a few wins.

The complete and utter disregard for putting in 60 minutes of work when playing at home should be enough proof that this iteration of the team is not worth trying to salvage. They're good enough to be in a playoff spot if they simply put in the effort. They wouldn't be great, or anything beyond first round fodder, but that's not what management and ownership is trying build. Their goal is the just to make the playoffs. The fact that these schlubs can't even rise to that pitiful level is evidence enough this group of players cannot be relied upon to do anything but bank their paychecks.
 

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It makes no sense to continue to go to players who have continually crapped the bed and yet here we are. There's every reason to sit players like OEL, Myers, Stillman and Miller when they mail it in. Embarrassing players can be an effective tool when giving them a massively long rope isn't working.

All that said, if you want this team to draft high, then by all means, keep utilizing these players regardless of their play, as they are most certainly tank commanders. Stillman alone has probably cost the team a few wins.

The complete and utter disregard for putting in 60 minutes of work when playing at home should be enough proof that this iteration of the team is not worth trying to salvage. They're good enough to be in a playoff spot if they simply put in the effort. They wouldn't be great, or anything beyond first round fodder, but that's not what management and ownership is trying build. Their goal is the just to make the playoffs. The fact that these schlubs can't even rise to that pitiful level is evidence enough this group of players cannot be relied upon to do anything but bank their paychecks.
Still the man is still the one!

 
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racerjoe

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With average goaltending we would be in the bubble. Maybe in the playoff spot but maybe not.

Also every team in the pacific other than Vegas have had below average goaltending. The difference between us and teams like LA and Seattle is not goaltending, but those teams actually play well in front of the goalie.

I had us at fifth in the Pac going into the season, and I still think that is a fair assessment. I think when people say its goaltending, people assume that we think that the defence will magically be better and that just isn't the case.

Lets look at last year, our team defence was terrible, yet with great goaltending we were in the race after terrible start.

I still think the defence is an absolute disaster, OEL regressed and I think Hughes is hurt and being asked to do too much. However I just look at last year and it was much the same but with better goaltending that got us close. You give Demko the same season he had last year and things would be different. One last time as a disclaimer we as a team would still suck, just the west is weak.
 

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