Value of: Petry to Buffalo

[displacedsabre]

the 2#2s arent on the roster anymore. The young kids are coming together, they have been hitting on picks since 2018. Its coming together, they just need to be patient. Add some vets sure, not with first round picks though, hard pass. If it costs more than this years 2nd and 3rd, they should move on

 

[Hunter368]

Not sure Sabers are best fit for an aging Petry, they aren't close to competing at this stage yet and by the time they are Petry will be done. Maybe hes a better fit with and team ready to win now and Habs take a bad contract back as part of the deal and the new team hopes he can return to a better form then this year showed. Risky move but some GM might try it if they know they can dump a bad contract also

 

[archangel2]

Under MSL he's got 18 points in 28 games (similar rate to McAvoy, Dahlin, Letang, Spurgeon and Krug) without major PP time and has a 5v5 CF%, GF%, xGF% and HDCF% over 50% with a D-zone and top competition push on a team that regularly gets outplayed.

Players that are slowing down tend to actually slow down and not accelerate.

he is 34. Sorry his game has slowed down and for his contract you are not getting a 2nd without 50% retention. It is not like he has one year left--he has 3

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not sure Sabers are best fit for an aging Petry, they aren't close to competing at this stage yet and by the time they are Petry will be done. Maybe hes a better fit with and team ready to win now and Habs take a bad contract back as part of the deal and the new team hopes he can return to a better form then this year showed. Risky move but some GM might try it if they know they can dump a bad contract also

They will likely compete for a playoff spot next year. They are probably the 9th best team in the Conference. Just needs one aging team (Boston, Washington) to fade or 1 team to have a stream of injuries like Habs this season and they make the playoffs.

 

[HolyGhost]

we are not trading a 2nd for a guy getting paid over six mill per year for the next three. Montreal fans can spin as much as they like. Not going to happen. We are not going to waste cap space like that

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

They will likely compete for a playoff spot next year. They are probably the 9th best team in the Conference. Just needs one aging team (Boston, Washington) to fade or 1 team to have a stream of injuries like Habs this season and they make the playoffs.

I don't know if they compete next year. They still have a lot of runway left for player development to get there along with a significant need for league average or better goaltending. How they handle the need in net will be the biggest factor, and no Allen is not the answer there (as someone else in this thread had suggested).

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not sure Sabers are best fit for an aging Petry, they aren't close to competing at this stage yet and by the time they are Petry will be done. Maybe hes a better fit with and team ready to win now and Habs take a bad contract back as part of the deal and the new team hopes he can return to a better form then this year showed. Risky move but some GM might try it if they know they can dump a bad contract also

I don't think they're a good fit for Buffalo, but he's been in better form for the second half of the season.

he is 34. Sorry his game has slowed down and for his contract you are not getting a 2nd without 50% retention. It is not like he has one year left--he has 3

You can say it as many times as you want and as long as you continue to ignore all the evidence that shows you're incorrect you can believe that.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If Montreal would trade him for Future Considerations Buffalo should take it, if they're expecting a 2nd they should pass. Obviously no retention.

I have no doubt he'll be a fine player next year, but the two years after that, he's starting to get pretty long in the tooth.

It'd be perfectly reasonable for Montreal to prefer to hang on to him, but if they want to move on from him without retention they aren't likely to get much back.

 

[is the answer jesus]

you guys have been picking top 10 in the past 10 years ,
2 x #1 and 2 x #2 and still not ready to make a play to get to the playoff ??
Jezz you guys will never be ready.

I don't think we're that far off, we have most of the key pieces in place. That said I don't just assume that two past their prime players are what is going to propel our team from picking top 10 year in and year out to a deep playoff run. If you want to offer a good in their prime player with term for our 1st rounder then that's a different conversation.

 

[DatDude44]

I think throwing some money at Manson in UFA would make more sense as long as it’s reasonable

 

[Chainshot]

I think throwing some money at Manson in UFA would make more sense as long as it’s reasonable

He's expressed a desire to stay out west due to family considerations (his wife's specifically).

 

[Lockin17]

I don't think we're that far off, we have most of the key pieces in place. That said I don't just assume that two past their prime players are what is going to propel our team from picking top 10 year in and year out to a deep playoff run. If you want to offer a good in their prime player with term for our 1st rounder then that's a different conversation.

Your not getting a good player in their prime for just a first rd pick , look at Lekhonen

 

[HolyGhost]

Petry is 34. If he was say 28, Sabres would be all over him. But his age and the fact the Sabres are going to need that money during the life time of that contract to sign core players(please do not say "they can trade him") rules him out

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Petry is 34. If he was say 28, Sabres would be all over him. But his age and the fact the Sabres are going to need that money during the life time of that contract to sign core players(please do not say "they can trade him") rules him out

That's extremely unlikely. And as for the age thing, Craig Anderson at 40 years old is extremely popular in the locker room. We need veteran guys, especially for as young of a D core as we have.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

This is what needs to happen. Get a solid RD to push Fitz down to the extra man and you have a very impressive D core.

Sammy - Dahlin
Power - Joki
Bryson - UFA/Trade.

Prefer a stay at home shot blocker that can just eat easy minutes and play on the PK

I say grab Petry we can afford it.He still has lots of upside left and will do wonders with our young dcore.Its a no Brainer in my opinion

 

[Hasekperreault23]

I mean, "late" is relative. It's probably about 17 or 18 at best if we're being pragmatic while still thinking they can overcome the gap to get into 8th in the East.

Again, I can see them offering up a couple of picks for someone like Petry, like maybe their own second this year and a 3rd next, but I don't think they bite on the idea of Allen and not for their own first.

Our 2nd round pick for Petry no retention I think is fair

 

[Zman5778]

Petry is 34. If he was say 28, Sabres would be all over him. But his age and the fact the Sabres are going to need that money during the life time of that contract to sign core players(please do not say "they can trade him") rules him out

Huh? There's very little chance that Buffalo needs that money over the next 3 years. Look at how many kids we've got on ELCs that'll be on bridge deals by the time that the Petry deal expires.

The only likely mega-deal that will be signed before Petry's deal expires is Dahlin. Maybe, possibly Power.

 

[threeVo]

Huh? There's very little chance that Buffalo needs that money over the next 3 years. Look at how many kids we've got on ELCs that'll be on bridge deals by the time that the Petry deal expires.

The only likely mega-deal that will be signed before Petry's deal expires is Dahlin. Maybe, possibly Power.

Thompson has 1 year at 1.6M left. Hes a 37 goal scorer and a Center.

 

[Irie]

That's extremely unlikely. And as for the age thing, Craig Anderson at 40 years old is extremely popular in the locker room. We need veteran guys, especially for as young of a D core as we have.

Adding veteran depth is one thing, but adding aging veterans with massive cap hits for 3 years is super risky.

They need to be very careful with their cap situation. Just because it is great right now, doesn't mean spending now without planning ahead is not a major concern.

First of all, Adams likely might try to add a higher ticket goaltender. which could be a big cap hit.

Second, he will also have skinner at 9 and Tuch at close to 5 throughout the Petry contract.

Third, while Petry's 6.5 million cap hit would still be on the books, they are likely going to have to give substantial rasies to:

Thompson
Olofsson
Dahlin
Power
Samuelsson
Jokiharju
Cozens
Krebs
Apslund
Bryson
Mittelstadt

Even without Petry's 6.5, the Sabres may find themselves pushing the cap's upper limit before his contract expires in 2025.

The downside to having a lot of young guys breaking out, is that they are all going to hit their paydays.

 

[McJedi]

Petry for Kyle Okposo? Similar AAV but different term. Habs free up $6.5mm two years sooner. Habs add a 2nd rounder that isn’t their own for the term difference and $4mm owed Okposo next year (his AAV is $6mm). .

 

[Sabreality]

Petry for Kyle Okposo? Similar AAV but different term. Habs free up $6.5mm two years sooner. Habs add a 2nd rounder that isn’t their own for the term difference and $4mm owed Okposo next year (his AAV is $6mm). .

Nah, Kyle is worth every penny to this young team.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Your not getting a good player in their prime for just a first rd pick , look at Lekhonen

The very best contenders in the league overpay for guys frequently at the deadline and particularly when they still have term or team control as well. Coleman is another example. Surely you can see the difference between those teams and the present day Sabres and between deadline prices and offseason prices. The likelihood they trade a 1st round pick in a draft with an extremely talented top end after being a doormat for the last decade + is nearly nil, but lets say they entertain the idea. What do they get in return? A defenseman in his mid 30's who's asked to be traded closer to home, carries a sizable cap hit with term, is coming off a very uneven season and a mediocre goalie set to walk next season. It's a massive risk for Buffalo for a couple past their prime pieces.

 

[Chainshot]

The very best contenders in the league overpay for guys frequently at the deadline and particularly when they still have term or team control as well. Coleman is another example. Surely you can see the difference between those teams and the present day Sabres and between deadline prices and offseason prices. The likelihood they trade a 1st round pick in a draft with an extremely talented top end after being a doormat for the last decade + is nearly nil, but lets say they entertain the idea. What do they get in return? A defenseman in his mid 30's who's asked to be traded closer to home, carries a sizable cap hit with term, is coming off a very uneven season and a mediocre goalie set to walk next season. It's a massive risk for Buffalo for a couple past their prime pieces.

Very much so - deadline pricing is a premium that is not the same in the summer months. It never is. Thinking that sets the market is strange for some to go to since it isn't how that works.

 

[SundherDome]

Maybe Vegas's 2023 2nd and Aaron Huglen?

We also would NEED to take the full contract. Retention does nothing for us.


EDIT: Or maybe Petry and Weber's contract for future considerations.

Helllllll no

 

[Daz28]

50% retention to a likely playoff team is the best scenario for everyone, and most fair to Petry. Let him chase a cup. The Sabres don't need him taking up ice time or resources anyways. It's still a business, and what he brings as a vet is very pricey at $20M real cash.