Value of: Petry to Buffalo

[Habs Halifax]

It’s really a question of what Petry has left, isn’t it?

It’s almost a given Buffalo will make a move for a veteran RHD this summer. Petry might be older and more expensive than what they are looking for though.

Unless the acquisition cost is very cheap, I think they’d be looking elsewhere first.

Petry has a lot of gas left. This season is a team fit issue, not a decline issue. Petry's skating and mobility for a big man has shown zero signs of decline. He's not heavy for his height and he will age well. IMO, he stands up well to remain a top 4RD from age 34-36/37 (Dec birthdate).

A completely different story with Gallagher. Habs fans know we will have a very hard time moving him. He's showing skating declines at a earlier age which is a concern.

My asking Price for Petry
* 1 or 2 year cap dump around half of Petry's AAV
* Late 1st rounder or fringe grade A/B+ type
* Grade B or 2nd rounder

Petry is no doubt still a top 4RD with mobility. That is not easy to acquire in the NHL today. Habs won't have a terrible time moving him.

It's possible we can retain up to $1M but that depends on the trade package

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really don't think the Habs have a cap crunch, there's rumours they want to spend this summer but I think if anything they'll wait until next year to do so. I might be out to lunch on the value but I definitely don't think they'll have to pay to move him, he's a year removed from a 3 year stretch as a top 25 D and rallied in the second half of the season to show he's not washed

The Habs do not have cap space. Those rumors are click baits.

Right now today, we have 17 players signed with around $1M in cap space. Got to sign Romanov and Pitlick. It includes Weber but I doubt the Habs want to have that contract on LTIR before the season starts again. They likely want to accrue cap space during the season and have cap space leverage at the 2023 deadline. If Weber is on LTIR before the season starts, that complicates the cap space during the season.

Habs strategy this summer is to find a team to take on Weber's contract to help them reach the floor and to also find a new home for Petry but we are not liquidating him in trade value. Hughes said they will look but it has to make sense to the new team and the Habs. Not just the new team.

Regardless, the Habs will not be big spenders this summer. That is a pipe dream

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Click the link I posted, #26, Age 33

You have to go to the Montreal roster, And it says Jeff Petry 34 years old, It's more up to date.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Click the link I posted, #26, Age 33

That player roster might have been before the season started, Hence why they had him at 33. If you click on his link it clearly says 34 years old.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

You have to go to the Montreal roster, And it says Jeff Petry 34 years old, It's more up to date.

As I said other sources have him at 34 and I agreed that’s what he is, the intel I had was he was 33 from that list when I posted, it’s a mistake on their site and an honest mistake I my part but saying he’s soon to be 35 is not really accurate either.

He’s played like a $6.25MM defensemen under MSL so that’s not a cap dump. Gally, Hoffman, Armia, Price, Weber, Drouin, Byron, probably Savard are all Cap Dumps.

 

[Matt Ress]

I think you're overstating how bad the contract is, that being said, I don't think a 1st rounder is likely to be in the cards, unless it's 25+

In any case, I expect Petry to go after teams have lost UFAs and want to fill the gap. NJ, Dallas and Pittsburgh being the most likely to lose RD of note.

You think once teams can't resign their UFAs that they'll give up assets and make room for a $6M 34 year old? A contract that gets uglier with time? He may have rebounded but the contract is the most important part of the deal and Hab fans are saying there won't be any retention so I just don't see anyone offering anything above a 3rd. Certainly wouldn't be surprised if it were future considerations.

I mean yeah, he would be a good fit in Buffalo. Unfortunately you're asking other teams to trade you a draft pick for an invoice.

 

[jmelm]

Petry would be a great addition for the Sabres….if he was a free agent.

But where BUf is in their competitive cycle, it doesn’t make sense to give up meaningful assets for a guy whose game will be falling off and contract expiring when they’re ready to start being a legit Cup contender in ~ 3 years.

The right fit for Petry is a team that is a contender now, and feels adding Petry can put them over the top (or into the top tier of teams) immediately going into next season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You think once teams can't resign their UFAs that they'll give up assets and make room for a $6M 34 year old? A contract that gets uglier with time? He may have rebounded but the contract is the most important part of the deal and Hab fans are saying there won't be any retention so I just don't see anyone offering anything above a 3rd. Certainly wouldn't be surprised if it were future considerations.

I mean yeah, he would be a good fit in Buffalo. Unfortunately you're asking other teams to trade you a draft pick for an invoice.

A contract that gets uglier with time is reaching cause fans think all players in their 30's decline at a uniform rate. It's just not the case and you got to look at the decline factors. If Petry was loosing his mobility and skating, you might have a point but he's not so you and others are just using this as trade devalue leverage.

Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 ($1M less than Petry's cap hit and pretty much the same age). And Petry is better than Martinez. Unlike Gallagher who is younger than Petry, Petry has not shown any declines with his mobility and skating. Zero! But you can look at his points on a bad team if you wish. Petry has 4 seasons in a row at 40+ points and all of a sudden he is in massive decline cause he did not put up 40 pts on a team that is bad this year but he has not shown skating declines like Gallagher? This makes no sense at all.

Petry has more value than what you see on HF boards. Reality! Disagree? Look up Patch, Chiarot, Toffoli, Lehkonen. All of their values were discussed before they were traded with a lot of devalue narratives like the one you are throwing out today towards Petry.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Petry would be a great addition for the Sabres….if he was a free agent.

But where BUf is in their competitive cycle, it doesn’t make sense to give up meaningful assets for a guy whose game will be falling off and contract expiring when they’re ready to start being a legit Cup contender in ~ 3 years.

The right fit for Petry is a team that is a contender now, and feels adding Petry can put them over the top (or into the top tier of teams) immediately going into next season.

Depends on what the futures are I guess. Habs are likely after a late 1st and B prospect or a fringe grade A/B+ type and a 2nd rounder. And we are taking back a 1/2 year cap dump at around half Petry's cap hit.

For all we know, the new team gets value from Petry and the Habs are left with nothing cause the futures bust. We are not asking for a sure shot Grade A or a 1-20 1st rounder.

I do respect what you said though. Is this the right time for the Sabres to make a move or should they wait out a little while longer? I get the patience factor

 

[Habs Halifax]

Whoever trades for Petry, they will need a Eddy type at LD to pair up with him. Word of advise, Do not pair Petry up with a guy learning on the job or another offensive type

 

[jmelm]

Depends on what the futures are I guess. Habs are likely after a late 1st and B prospect or a fringe grade A/B+ type and a 2nd rounder. And we are taking back a 1/2 year cap dump at around half Petry's cap hit.

For all we know, the new team gets value from Petry and the Habs are left with nothing cause the futures bust. We are not asking for a sure shot Grade A or a 1-20 1st rounder.

I do respect what you said though. Is this the right time for the Sabres to make a move or should they wait out a little while longer? I get the patience factor

I hear what you’re saying but either retaining or taking a contract back does nothing for the Sabres who are swimming in cap space. So that doesn’t add to his value at all from a BUF perspective.

If I’m BUF, I have no problem giving up meaningful assets for a RD, but one who is a lot younger/has a longer future than Petry.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hear what you’re saying but either retaining or taking a contract back does nothing for the Sabres who are swimming in cap space. So that doesn’t add to his value at all from a BUF perspective.

If I’m BUF, I have no problem giving up meaningful assets for a RD, but one who is a lot younger/has a longer future than Petry.

Sabres might not be the right team for Petry. I can see that angle

 

[JRichard]

Petry wants out. cant use the « we are fine keeping our best dman anyway ».

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

As I said other sources have him at 34 and I agreed that’s what he is, the intel I had was he was 33 from that list when I posted, it’s a mistake on their site and an honest mistake I my part but saying he’s soon to be 35 is not really accurate either.

He’s played like a $6.25MM defensemen under MSL so that’s not a cap dump. Gally, Hoffman, Armia, Price, Weber, Drouin, Byron, probably Savard are all Cap Dumps.

Who said he'd soon be 35 years old? Surely not me or anyone else. I said he'd be 35 years old 2 months into the 2022/2023 NHL season which is accurate.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Who said he'd soon be 35 years old? Surely not me or anyone else. I said he'd be 35 years old 2 months into the 2022/2023 NHL season which is accurate.

OddBob who I was replying to

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

OddBob who I was replying to

Yeah because he has roughly 7 1/2 months before he turns 35 exactly.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Top 4 RHD are always in short supply/high demand. Look what Philly paid for Risto last year, 14th OA plus a 2023 2nd rounder and roster player and that was potentially a one year rental til they locked him up for $5.1MM next 6 years.

Someone will give Klingberg the Dougie Hamilton special $9MM max contract and Letang at 35 will get at least 4x$7.5MM unless he takes a hometown discount to stay in Pittsburgh. Deangelo is tough to predict, baggage still likely hurts his earnings. There’s not much else available on the UFA market. Maybe Buffalo is not ready to start to add veterans but Petry will have value to teams with cap space.

52 pt pace since MSL took over

 

[Team Cozens]

Petry has a lot of gas left. This season is a team fit issue, not a decline issue. Petry's skating and mobility for a big man has shown zero signs of decline. He's not heavy for his height and he will age well. IMO, he stands up well to remain a top 4RD from age 34-36/37 (Dec birthdate).

A completely different story with Gallagher. Habs fans know we will have a very hard time moving him. He's showing skating declines at a earlier age which is a concern.

My asking Price for Petry
* 1 or 2 year cap dump around half of Petry's AAV
* Late 1st rounder or fringe grade A/B+ type
* Grade B or 2nd rounder

Petry is no doubt still a top 4RD with mobility. That is not easy to acquire in the NHL today. Habs won't have a terrible time moving him.

It's possible we can retain up to $1M but that depends on the trade package

The Sabres specifically do not need to send a cap dump although Bjork with 1 year left could go the other way along with a 2nd round pick in 2022 and a 2nd (Vegas) in 2023. Sabres maybe get a 3/4 back in 2024.
That's how I see it shaking out.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Top 4 RHD are always in short supply/high demand. Look what Philly paid for Risto last year, 14th OA plus a 2023 2nd rounder and roster player and that was potentially a one year rental til they locked him up for $5.1MM next 6 years.

Someone will give Klingberg the Dougie Hamilton special $9MM max contract and Letang at 35 will get at least 4x$7.5MM unless he takes a hometown discount to stay in Pittsburgh. Deangelo is tough to predict, baggage still likely hurts his earnings. There’s not much else available on the UFA market. Maybe Buffalo is not ready to start to add veterans but Petry will have value to teams with cap space.

Stars might let Klingberg walk. I think Petry fits the Stars as a good replacement. I do agree with Sabres fans that Petry is not a good fit at this point in time. Plus, Petry might have them on his no trade list as well.

People are dwelling on Petry's age too much. It's a factor yes but nowhere near what some people are trying to make it out to be. Other than points drop off on a bad team this year, there are zero signs to his mobility/skating decline. He still has game but needs a new team clearly. He's going to remain a top 4RD in his term left.

What has more Risks?
Klingberg from age 30-36 at $8M (+/-)
vs
Petry from age 34-36/37 at $6.25M

Bet you the production in the next 3 years is close to the same from these two. Regardless of age.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Sabres specifically do not need to send a cap dump although Bjork with 1 year left could go the other way along with a 2nd round pick in 2022 and a 2nd (Vegas) in 2023. Sabres maybe get a 3/4 back in 2024.
That's how I see it shaking out.

Habs are not trading Petry for 2nd rounders only. From 7 pages so far, this one does not appear to be a fit.

Petry's price tag to me is this:
* 1/2 year cap dump around half his cap hit. Or the Habs consider $1M retention (depending on the futures)
* Late 1st rounder or fringe grade A/B+ type
* 2nd round or B prospect

Petry has not faded that quickly at age 34. He's lean for his body size and he still skates like he did when he was 30. There are zero skating/mobility declines in his game this year.

Not easy to fine the right fit but I don't see the Sabres as the team. I'm thinking the Stars if they let Klingberg walk. For all we know Petry has the Sabres on his no trade list.

 

[Panthaz89]

I don't get why we are even talking about Petry the Sabres already have a pretty solid top 4 to rely on paying whats around the 40ish pick seems like a massive overpay that doesn't even fit our window because he's too old. Especially since the Sabres have actually been hitting with their last few picks around that range.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I think Petry is a good player and would be a good addition for the Sabres, but I don’t think the Sabres should play what he would cost. A team trading a late first plus a decent prospect would be good for Montreal.

Sabres need to use their first rounders to continue building their prospect pool. Trading one of the 2nds they have makes sense, but I don’t think Montreal would accept that

If Sabres are moving a first/prospect, it’ll be someone that is younger than petry

 

[Djp]

Habs are not trading Petry for 2nd rounders only. From 7 pages so far, this one does not appear to be a fit.

Petry's price tag to me is this:
* 1/2 year cap dump around half his cap hit. Or the Habs consider $1M retention (depending on the futures)
* Late 1st rounder or fringe grade A/B+ type
* 2nd round or B prospect

Petry has not faded that quickly at age 34. He's lean for his body size and he still skates like he did when he was 30. There are zero skating/mobility declines in his game this year.

Not easy to fine the right fit but I don't see the Sabres as the team. I'm thinking the Stars if they let Klingberg walk. For all we know Petry has the Sabres on his no trade list.

you are lucky to get a 3 rd without no retention

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Top 4 RHD are always in short supply/high demand. Look what Philly paid for Risto last year, 14th OA plus a 2023 2nd rounder and roster player and that was potentially a one year rental til they locked him up for $5.1MM next 6 years.

Someone will give Klingberg the Dougie Hamilton special $9MM max contract and Letang at 35 will get at least 4x$7.5MM unless he takes a hometown discount to stay in Pittsburgh. Deangelo is tough to predict, baggage still likely hurts his earnings. There’s not much else available on the UFA market. Maybe Buffalo is not ready to start to add veterans but Petry will have value to teams with cap space.

52 pt pace since MSL took over

Philadelphia's trade, and then signing him to that contract after watching him play were moves both wildly panned. The benchmark shouldn't be going full Fletcher.

 

[Habs Halifax]

you are lucky to get a 3 rd without no retention

. Do you want bet on that?