Value of: Petry to Buffalo

[pth2]

So keep an underperforming Petry in Montreal for the next two + seasons.

Problem solved. That was so easy.

Stop being disingenuous. He wants out. The team will be awful regardless, you at the very least need guys who want to be here to build something.
Which is why I'm ok with selling low (ie, a 2nd). I expect he'll actually fetch more, though HF isn't the place to value actual NHLers actually playing well rather than future hopium.

 

[Captain Mountain]

So keep an underperforming Petry in Montreal for the next two + seasons.

Problem solved. That was so easy.

In the second half of the seasons he's been one of the most productive D-men in the NHL with limited PP time and very strong underlying numbers.

You could at least pretend you aren't making stuff up out of thin air.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Petry I beleive it would be a really good fit on the second defense line with Power.

Even Allen would be a good fit for Buffalo.

Petry + Allen for Florida 2022 first + 2rd Phily 2023

Hard no.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In the second half of the seasons he's been one of the most productive D-men in the NHL with limited PP time and very strong underlying numbers.

You could at least pretend you aren't making stuff up out of thin air.

Holy moly, I have not checked in on this thread in a few days and decided to look today... Looks like buddy is obsessed with devaluing Petry in multiple threads.

Many teams are after top 4RD's. Petry's value is crap on HF boards but so was Patch, Chiarot, Lehkonen, Toffoli. Petry's not in noticable decline at the age of 34. He likely will go from fringe top pairing quality to top 4D in his term left but those posters saying he falls to bottom pairing are off the rails. This big boy's skating/mobility is still top notch. Many fans are being ignorant. Petry will draw interest this summer

Potential top 4RD market
Letang
Klingberg
Deangelo
Mason
Petry (trade)

 

[Captain97]

Hard pass.

Buffalo needs strong goaltending and a defenseman that is exceptional in his own end, so Dahlin doesn't have to kill penalties on top of playing 25 minutes a night. Kid is exhausted and it is hurting his play.

Petry is a bad fit skillwise, a terrible fit cap and age wise, and he's super unhappy his family wants to remain in Michigan away from him, so why would he be happy in Buffalo?

Your GM should do Petry a solid and send him to Detroit,

He doesn't need to be in Michigan. Just the states. The covid restrictions were very tight in Canada when the season started so his family went home.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Stop being disingenuous. He wants out. The team will be awful regardless, you at the very least need guys who want to be here to build something.
Which is why I'm ok with selling low (ie, a 2nd). I expect he'll actually fetch more, though HF isn't the place to value actual NHLers actually playing well rather than future hopium.

I hope Petry changes his mind and stays. Habs need him until the young dmen are ready.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hope Petry changes his mind and stays. Habs need him until the young dmen are ready.

It's not about just Petry. It's a family decision. Habs are not going to trade him for whatever though. It has to make sense for the Habs and the other team.

Top 4RD market is not that great cause many teams are after them. More teams in the hunt than what's available. I do think we will trade Petry this summer (maybe on draft day) but there is a chance we don't cause we don't like the offers and he starts with the Habs next season. Maybe his wife changes her mind as time moves forward.

 

[Gaud]

I hope Petry changes his mind and stays. Habs need him until the young dmen are ready.

i like his play recently, but the habs can't keep him; his actions this year do not resonate with the message the team wants to send to their young players. He has zero leadership and can't take up the pressure of being #1 D in montreal. I mean - coming out and openly criticizing your coach? From his perspective, he also has that family drama going on.

That being said, i still say he gets a positive return. I don't think he has negative value to GMs.

 

[McJedi]

In the second half of the seasons he's been one of the most productive D-men in the NHL with limited PP time and very strong underlying numbers.

You could at least pretend you aren't making stuff up out of thin air.

I guess his 26 points in 67 games. Corsi below 50%, -13 and anchoring the defense of the worst team in the NHL didn’t excite me. What strong underlying numbers. His 0.7 relative Corsi. Relative to the rest of his lousy team his Corsi is ever so slightly better. Maybe he can rack up another point or two in the garbage time left in the Habs season but when their games really mattered, Petry was horrendous this year.

The Habs have been out of it for so long, just playing out the season now. Hard to read into anything happening. Caufield has two goals and no assists in his last ten games. Does that mean he’s garbage again?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I guess his 26 points in 67 games. Corsi below 50%, -13 and anchoring the defense of the worst team in the NHL didn’t excite me. What strong underlying numbers. His 0.7 relative Corsi. Relative to the rest of his lousy team his Corsi is ever so slightly better. Maybe he can rack up another point or two in the garbage time left in the Habs season but when their games really mattered, Petry was horrendous this year.

The Habs have been out of it for so long, just playing out the season now. Hard to read into anything happening. Caufield has two goals and no assists in his last ten games. Does that mean he’s garbage again?

I've posted the stats, if you want to ignore them that's your prerogative. But you can't even get Caufield's counting stats right, so I'm not convinced you understand more complicated stuff.

 

[Irie]

My favorite part of this thread is the Canadiens' fans arguing amongst themselves about how the team should move on from Petry to keep him and his attitude and lack of leadership away from the kids they are trying to develop, while another faction of Canadien fans are trying desperately to convince Buffalo fans that they need Petry to both mentor Power and for his verteran leadership....

Good stuff

 

[Colezuki]

My favorite part of this thread is the Canadiens' fans arguing amongst themselves about how the team should move on from Petry to keep him and his attitude and lack of leadership away from the kids they are trying to develop, while another faction of Canadien fans are trying desperately to convince Buffalo fans that they need Petry to both mentor Power and for his verteran leadership....

Good stuff

Well he was good until this year.

Stepping aside from fandom here for a moment, feel like every human should take a step back and accept some mulligans for the last couple of years for behaviour. No one’s been perfect and people are doing shit they wouldn’t normally do

 

[Petes2424]

Think Buffalo is going to be a lot like Detroit this off-season in regards to their blue line. They’ll look to bring in a vet who’s solid and still produces, who can help mentor their young dmen.

While I think Detroit has a good shot at Klingberg, the Sabres may have to trade for their guy. I’m just not sure Petry is the guy I want to mentor my young D. He’s been such an up and down player, but possibly. They’re going to need at least one RHD and with UFAs you’re really looking at what? Justin Schultz?

They might very well lose Miller too, which won’t help when it comes to vets on the blue line. So maybe Petry wouldn’t be such a bad option. While Klingberg isn’t the greatest in his own end either, his professionalism and effort has never been questioned. That’s the type of guy you’d like to blend in with younger dmen.

I wonder if there’s a chance they can trade for Eric Johnson. He’d be a great fit. He probably wouldn’t waive for the Sabres though.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Think Buffalo is going to be a lot like Detroit this off-season in regards to their blue line. They’ll look to bring in a vet who’s solid and still produces, who can help mentor their young dmen.

While I think Detroit has a good shot at Klingberg, the Sabres may have to trade for their guy. I’m just not sure Petry is the guy I want to mentor my young D. He’s been such an up and down player, but possibly. They’re going to need at least one RHD and with UFAs you’re really looking at what? Justin Schultz?

They might very well lose Miller too, which won’t help when it comes to vets on the blue line. So maybe Petry wouldn’t be such a bad option. While Klingberg isn’t the greatest in his own end either, his professionalism and effort has never been questioned. That’s the type of guy you’d like to blend in with younger dmen.

I wonder if there’s a chance they can trade for Eric Johnson. He’d be a great fit. He probably wouldn’t waive for the Sabres though.

How are Buffalo and Detroit's blue line situations at all similar? Buffalo has at least 3 of their top 4 D slots locked up already by Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson. Does Detroit have anyone returning next year that they actually want logging top 4 minutes other than Seider?

 

[Colezuki]

How are Buffalo and Detroit's blue line situations at all similar? Buffalo has at least 3 of their top 4 D slots locked up already by Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson. Does Detroit have anyone returning next year that they actually want logging top 4 minutes other than Seider?

Edvinsson isn't returning but joining the same As power

 

[pth2]

I think we can stop with the Petry to Buffalo ideas, Hughes has come out and said he expects to move Petry for a comparable veteran defenseman, so it won't just be a player-for-pick type move...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I think we can stop with the Petry to Buffalo ideas, Hughes has come out and said he expects to move Petry for a comparable veteran defenseman, so it won't just be a player-for-pick type move...

i think the door is still open to Petry staying. Its up to Petry i think and if he can consolidate his family in Montreal, then i think he is a Hab next year,

 

[wetcoast]

Holy moly, I have not checked in on this thread in a few days and decided to look today... Looks like buddy is obsessed with devaluing Petry in multiple threads.

Many teams are after top 4RD's. Petry's value is crap on HF boards but so was Patch, Chiarot, Lehkonen, Toffoli. Petry's not in noticable decline at the age of 34. He likely will go from fringe top pairing quality to top 4D in his term left but those posters saying he falls to bottom pairing are off the rails. This big boy's skating/mobility is still top notch. Many fans are being ignorant. Petry will draw interest this summer

Potential top 4RD market
Letang
Klingberg
Deangelo
Mason
Petry (trade)

He is 34 and has 3 years left with a 6.25 cap hit, no team is actually giving up any decent assets to acquire him straight up.

 

[Djp]

Think Buffalo is going to be a lot like Detroit this off-season in regards to their blue line. They’ll look to bring in a vet who’s solid and still produces, who can help mentor their young dmen.

While I think Detroit has a good shot at Klingberg, the Sabres may have to trade for their guy. I’m just not sure Petry is the guy I want to mentor my young D. He’s been such an up and down player, but possibly. They’re going to need at least one RHD and with UFAs you’re really looking at what? Justin Schultz?

They might very well lose Miller too, which won’t help when it comes to vets on the blue line. So maybe Petry wouldn’t be such a bad option. While Klingberg isn’t the greatest in his own end either, his professionalism and effort has never been questioned. That’s the type of guy you’d like to blend in with younger dmen.

I wonder if there’s a chance they can trade for Eric Johnson. He’d be a great fit. He probably wouldn’t waive for the Sabres though.

on what planet is buffalo like Detroit?

Buffalo is pretty set with Dahlin, Power, Samuelson, Jokiharju. They have Bryson, an u signed Johnson, and likely uses one of its 1st on a RD.

They are not in the market to sign any D to a long term contract or acquire a 3+ yr contract on a 29+ player.

Sure they could acquire a 1-2 yr RD either from trade or as a UFA.buffalo has more interested in a strong defensive defenseman over an offensive one.

they do need to get higher salary players somehow to get to the cap floor.

Edvinsson isn't returning but joining the same As power

He also is not proven yet And has not adjusted to the NA game. I don’t expect much from him next year. He probably starts at the AHL for 25-30 games, places WJC then plays fir Detroit The rest of the season.

 

[Lockin17]

not just a hard no but a f*** you no…

Chill out mate , no need to insult people by saying fuc k you

 

[Diaspora]

Chill out mate , no need to insult people by saying fuc k you

I agree. But does anyone get insulted by that anymore? My kids and I tell each other to f*** off regularly. Usually just elicits loud mocking laughter.

All in love and good fun, of course.

 

[drw02]

on what planet is buffalo like Detroit?

Buffalo is pretty set with Dahlin, Power, Samuelson, Jokiharju. They have Bryson, an u signed Johnson, and likely uses one of its 1st on a RD.

They are not in the market to sign any D to a long term contract or acquire a 3+ yr contract on a 29+ player.

Sure they could acquire a 1-2 yr RD either from trade or as a UFA.buffalo has more interested in a strong defensive defenseman over an offensive one.

they do need to get higher salary players somehow to get to the cap floor.




He also is not proven yet And has not adjusted to the NA game. I don’t expect much from him next year. He probably starts at the AHL for 25-30 games, places WJC then plays fir Detroit The rest of the season.

Edvinsson is arguably more NHL ready than Power was being he was playing (and excelling) in the 3rd best league in the world this season. Going from European ice to NA isn't really that big of a deal for majority of top prospects

Also Samuelsson and Joki are not exactly top guys, they're no better than Hronek and Walman who in particular played pretty well for Detroit down the stretch and looks like a nice find by Yzerman

 

[drw02]

double post

 

[Panthaz89]

Edvinsson is arguably more NHL ready than Power was being he was playing (and excelling) in the 3rd best league in the world this season. Going from European ice to NA isn't really that big of a deal for majority of top prospects

Also Samuelsson and Joki are not exactly top guys, they're no better than Hronek and Walman who in particular played pretty well for Detroit down the stretch and looks like a nice find by Yzerman

The NCAA is arguably is in the same area as the SHL anyone who argues otherwise is just being silly at this point pretty much all players who excel there tend to have no problems immediately step onto NHL ice. Power and Berniers have already had such an easy transition. Yes those defenseman are better easily and they are in their early 20s while being particularly really good in their own zone. I've see enough of Detroit to know they are inept defensively on a consistent basis.

 

[Djp]

Edvinsson is arguably more NHL ready than Power was being he was playing (and excelling) in the 3rd best league in the world this season. Going from European ice to NA isn't really that big of a deal for majority of top prospects

Also Samuelsson and Joki are not exactly top guys, they're no better than Hronek and Walman who in particular played pretty well for Detroit down the stretch and looks like a nice find by Yzerman

im not saying he doesn’t have potential or isn’t that good like you are trying to claim about Samuelsson and Jokiharju. They were both drafted late 1st round. Most late 1sts are at least middle pairing who can play top pairing with the right partner.

he played in Europe. He needs to adjust to NA hockey. It’s best to do this in the AHL first. I’m not saying he needs to play there fir 2 full years. many other Europe transfers who did nitfurst play in CHL/ NCAA usually needs some time at the AHL. If he want to play in the WJC it’s easier fir him to do this playing in the A first, then go to WJC, before coming to nhl.
if fir whatever reason he is struggling a team will try to wait till later in the season and let him slide.

had he come over after the draft and played in CHL/USHL/NCAA/AHL and then he got signed he woukdnt need the AHL time if he played well.