Value of: Petry to Buffalo

[Captain97]

Under Ducharme Petry had 6 points in 38 games

Under MSL he has had 18 in 28 games.

Hmmm that second stat is more in line with his normal numbers. And maybe just maybe the whole team was terrible under DD.

 

[samsagat]

Habs fan here.

A habs fan but not delusional.

A player's value is all about offer and demand.

And if there were a high demand for Petry, he'd already be gone.

You can say whatever you want about him not loosing his skating fluidity or else, but the realty is he's on the wrong side of the 30's, an age where the dropping cliff can hit anytime, and he had a terrible season.

He's signed 6,25 mil for 3 more years.

Add to this a questionnable attitude.

So he's basically a skating red flag...

Plus he has a (limited) NTC, so it's even thinner in terms of trading partners possibilities.

I think my fellow Habs fans will have to admit to themselves that we're not gonna receive much for him.

It'll be the traditional "addition by substraction" and the gain's gonna essentially be cap space.

If Buffalo offers a middle Rd pick + ok prospect, it might be it...

 

[Djp]

. Do you want bet on that?

all you need is 1 idiot GM….

 

[Lockin17]

Petry I beleive it would be a really good fit on the second defense line with Power.

Even Allen would be a good fit for Buffalo.

Petry + Allen for Florida 2022 first + 2rd Phily 2023

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Petry would be a great addition for the Sabres….if he was a free agent.

But where BUf is in their competitive cycle, it doesn’t make sense to give up meaningful assets for a guy whose game will be falling off and contract expiring when they’re ready to start being a legit Cup contender in ~ 3 years.

The right fit for Petry is a team that is a contender now, and feels adding Petry can put them over the top (or into the top tier of teams) immediately going into next season.

people don't understand that the assets to acquire him won't be that huge.
Buffalo has alot of salary cap and 3 years of Petry isnt that much for them.
+ Okposo is ufa next year saving alot of money for the upcoming forwards and a need of a goalie.

 

[pth2]

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So he's basically a skating red flag...

Plus he has a (limited) NTC, so it's even thinner in terms of trading partners possibilities.

....

If Buffalo offers a middle Rd pick + ok prospect, it might be it...

I think his NTC has little impact, in that he wants to be in the USA, and if a deal is made sending him there, he'll make it work, even if it isn't his favorite destination.
Middle round pick + ok prospect ? Those are vague terms, though, but I think a 2nd round pick works out to about the same value, so that's 2 Habs fans with comparable valuations.

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a bit more though, and Kent Hughes seems to want to acquire youngish players who can fit into a quick rebuild rather than picks. A Danault-type stalled prospect (as he was in 2016) might be all it takes. But that'll be from a strong team, not Buffalo.

 

[Irie]

Petry I beleive it would be a really good fit on the second defense line with Power.

Even Allen would be a good fit for Buffalo.

Petry + Allen for Florida 2022 first + 2rd Phily 2023

Hard pass.

Buffalo needs strong goaltending and a defenseman that is exceptional in his own end, so Dahlin doesn't have to kill penalties on top of playing 25 minutes a night. Kid is exhausted and it is hurting his play.

Petry is a bad fit skillwise, a terrible fit cap and age wise, and he's super unhappy his family wants to remain in Michigan away from him, so why would he be happy in Buffalo?

Your GM should do Petry a solid and send him to Detroit,

 

[jmelm]

people don't understand that the assets to acquire him won't be that huge.
Buffalo has alot of salary cap and 3 years of Petry isnt that much for them.
+ Okposo is ufa next year saving alot of money for the upcoming forwards and a need of a goalie.

I never said BUF couldn’t afford him, and I’m pretty sure I said in another post that I would be happy to trade a 3rd round pick for him if I’m BUF.

But I also think MTL both wants, and also can get, better value than a 3rd round pick in return for Petry, especially if they retain even a modest amount of salary (10-20%) or more.

 

[Gillings]

It’s really a question of what Petry has left, isn’t it?

It’s almost a given Buffalo will make a move for a veteran RHD this summer. Petry might be older and more expensive than what they are looking for though.

Unless the acquisition cost is very cheap, I think they’d be looking elsewhere first.

With Montreal likely retaining 2M$ a year if they want a better prospect, it’s going to cost Buffalo less to get petry than it would a younger “better” version of petry.

 

[Irie]

people don't understand that the assets to acquire him won't be that huge.
Buffalo has alot of salary cap and 3 years of Petry isnt that much for them.
+ Okposo is ufa next year saving alot of money for the upcoming forwards and a need of a goalie.

Buffalo is going to need all of that cap before Petry's contract is up though.

If they add Petry, they will likely be close to 50 million in just 7 guys with Petry, Dahlin, Tuch, Skinner, Thompson, Oloffson, (estimating what the RFAs re-up for and assuming Adams does his job and obtains a starting goalie).

And they are going to have a ton of other talented players likley needing substantial raises in the next three season. (especially if Power lights things up).

Their cap will be tight and Petry will be a cap issue if acquired.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Buffalo is going to need all of that cap before Petry's contract is up though.

If they add Petry, they will likely be close to 50 million in just 7 guys with Petry, Dahlin, Tuch, Skinner, Thompson, Oloffson, (estimating what the RFAs re-up for and assuming Adams does his job and obtains a starting goalie).

And they are going to have a ton of other talented players likley needing substantial raises in the next three season. (especially if Power lights things up).

Their cap will be tight and Petry will be a cap issue if acquired.

nothing say habs can't take a player with a year left.

 

[Irie]

nothing say habs can't take a player with a year left.

Sabres won't have cap issues next year. it will be really bad in 2 years after Thompson gets his monster raise, and the Dahlin and Jokiharju bridges come up, and they will need to re-up Krebs, Cozens, Samuelsson, Power and Mittelstadt.

 

[pth2]

Petry is a bad fit skillwise, a terrible fit cap and age wise, and he's super unhappy his family wants to remain in Michigan away from him, so why would he be happy in Buffalo?

Your GM should do Petry a solid and send him to Detroit,

It's largely about Canadian Covid protections, including vaccine passports, curfews, isolation rules after arriving/leaving, etc. So Buffalo is a massive improvement, and a quick flight or drive from Detroit.

 

[Djp]

nothing say habs can't take a player with a year left.

buffalo has no cap dumps to unload.

anyone that is salary owed is worth 10x more than what Petry is worth

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Sabres won't have cap issues next year. it will be really bad in 2 years after Thompson gets his monster raise, and the Dahlin and Jokiharju bridges come up, and they will need to re-up Krebs, Cozens, Samuelsson, Power and Mittelstadt.

Let's not think all those players will be worth 5m+ also. Expectations and reality are 2 different things. But Buffalo would be stronger with Petry than without that's for sure.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Hard pass.

Your GM should do Petry a solid and send him to Detroit,

No thanks.

Can't see Yzerman taking that contract, unless he's paid to.

 

[Chainshot]

With Montreal likely retaining 2M$ a year if they want a better prospect, it’s going to cost Buffalo less to get petry than it would a younger “better” version of petry.

So the Habs are going to retain an unprecedented retention not only in dollars but also in term? Really...? When Buffalo doesn't NEED the Habs to do any retention? Odd.

 

[Irie]

Let's not think all those players will be worth 5m+ also. Expectations and reality are 2 different things. But Buffalo would be stronger with Petry than without that's for sure.

I'm not. I am giving you a very conservative, honest assessment of their cap situation with just the 7 guys making close to 50 million.

That leaves 35 million-ish to sign a back up goalie and 15 skaters. Those players will include Jokiharju, Samuelsson, Power, Krebs, Mittelstadt, Cozens, Bryson, plus any of the vets they return, and it does not include any UFA help they might be looking to address holes.

If Power breaks out, he alone is going to blow up their cap situation.

Sure, they will have some ELCs in the mix, but folks looking at the current cap situation and assumig they aren't likely to have cap constraints in 2024-25 are not doing their homework.

 

[Irie]

No thanks.

Can't see Yzerman taking that contract, unless he's paid to.

Yeah, sorry about that, After three days of being bombarded by habs fans trying to convince us Petry is worth a first with that contract, I was trying to deflect a little for some relief. Sorry for dragging you into this shitshow.

On Paper, it would seem that Detroit could use Petry more than Buffalo, so you can probably understand why Sabres fans want nothing to do with these incessant Habs proposals trying to ship him to us for high value assets.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Yeah, sorry about that, After three days of being bombarded by habs fans trying to convince us Petry is worth a first with that contract, I was trying to deflect a little for some relief. Sorry for dragging you into this shitshow.

On Paper, it would seem that Detroit could use Petry more than Buffalo, so you can probably understand why Sabres fans want nothing to do with these incessant Habs proposals trying to ship him to us for high value assets.

Completely agree

 

[Gillings]

So the Habs are going to retain an unprecedented retention not only in dollars but also in term? Really...? When Buffalo doesn't NEED the Habs to do any retention? Odd.

I can’t see Buffalo going for petry at full cost without decent retention. Besides Petry does not put Buffalo into the conference finals next year.

Bad trading partners

 

[Zman5778]

I can’t see Buffalo going for petry at full cost without decent retention.

Why? Buffalo has a glaring need at RHD. A veteran RHD, no less. Buffalo has a mega-asston of cap room that it's not going to use next season.

There is literally no need for Montreal to retain if Petry is traded to Buffalo......and my guess is that Kevyn Adams is not going to WANT salary retention in the deal (if one is made).

I get that retention might give Montreal the most in return for Petry........so then it comes down to what matters more for Montreal -- getting his salary off the books or getting a solid-ish return for him

 

[Gaud]

Hands off the Nadeau!

lol don't put a-Nadeau-rhand on him!

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Petry I beleive it would be a really good fit on the second defense line with Power.

Even Allen would be a good fit for Buffalo.

Petry + Allen for Florida 2022 first + 2rd Phily 2023

I personally wouldn't want either of them. Allen is an above average back-up but he'd be a below average starter and has been 4 of the last 5 seasons. Petry is a turnover machine who would likely take powerplay time away from Power, and that contract may not age well.

 

[McJedi]

I'm pretty sure Petry will have a terrific season next season and the one after will at worst be OK.
It's possible by his 36-37 season he'll have to rein it in and play a simpler, more defensive game, but I think he could effective in such a role.

And by that point, the cap will have risen enough to make that last season not nearly as bad of a cap hit as it seems now in a flat cap environment.

IMO Habs won't retain or take back a horrible long-term contract, while Petry isn't happy, the GM has been clear he'll make a deal that makes sense for Montreal. Retaining 3 years doesn't make sense. Dealing away your #1 defenseman without getting anything of value doesn't make sense, either. (getting only a 2nd barely makes sense, TBH)

So keep an underperforming Petry in Montreal for the next two + seasons.

Problem solved. That was so easy.