Value of: Petry to Buffalo

[Boss Man Hughes]

Regardless, he isn't worth 6.5m.
I have typed that 3 times now and I can't type it any slower.

And its still GARBAGE. He is worth more. It's only 3 years and the cap will be going up. At worst maybe he isn't worth that much in the last year. How many times do I have to say there are worse d making 9 mil line Nurse.

 

[Djp]

I think what he's shown under St. Louis is enough for optimism, he still has his legs and I think you probably don't see a real fall off until the last year. I am kind of at a loss what his value would be after this year, because I think at this point there's been as much if not more good than bad. I think based on the family situation whoever acquires him is going to get him at a relatively good price, I feel like a late first still has to be part of it though

i don’t see it.

he might be ok next year but that contract is an anchor Given it’s not a 1 yr contract.

buffalo is not interested at that cap hit/ cost expected in return

 

[Panthaz89]

Is this a joke? There's no way ever that this player is going to Buffalo. Period. The Sabres are VERY happy with the defense they have. This past week the coach has been boasting in the media how his top 4 defensemen are interchangeable. And how his golden pair of Dahlin & Jokiharju were broken up and how great that Dahlin and Samuelsson are. Samuelsson, Fitzgerald and Bryson have stabilized the defense. Power has played shifts with them all and looked capable. While the GM did say once recently that he was considering signing a veteran (not a dinosaur like Petry) to pair with Power, it seems that in the past 2 weeks (since Power arrived) that Granato may have changed his mind. Power has looked great with the other young defenders on the team. I had been pining for a defensive defenseman all season, like Jay McKee. They gave us Robert Hagg. When they traded him they brought Samuelsson who looks great. Fitzgerald also can play very, very well.

Read:

Dahlin, Samuelsson interchangeable throughout a shift

It’s already hard to play against Rasmus Dahlin and Mattias Samuelsson, but when they have the ability to switch from left to right defense as the play is going on, it just makes it that much more difficult on the opponent. Paul Hamilton has more:

www.audacy.com

Fitz would be a 7th on most teams like the guy but he gets abused pretty often on defense.

 

[Panthaz89]

Just like the we aren’t letting Chiarot go unless a 1st is coming back….

Sabres aren't desperately chasing a cup or going all in.

 

[Djp]

And its still GARBAGE. He is worth more. It's only 3 years and the cap will be going up. At worst maybe he isn't worth that much in the last year. How many times do I have to say there are worse d making 9 mil line Nurse.

Petry is not getting back a 1st/ quality prospect

i wouldn't want to trade a 2nd for him since no retention woukd be asked. Other teams would be asking for retention or sending back a high contract.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Anyone who thinks Petry is cooked only needs to look at his last 10 games and in particular the game against the bruins tonight. He laid out Bergeron and couple Bruins, two assists and his athletic normal self.

Petry had injuries coming out of the playoffs and personal issues that look now to be resolved. I am hoping he remains a Hab next season. Habs need him more than any other team.

 

[10Ducky10]

And its still GARBAGE. He is worth more. It's only 3 years and the cap will be going up. At worst maybe he isn't worth that much in the last year. How many times do I have to say there are worse d making 9 mil line Nurse.

So, because someone gives Nurse a bad deal, it is okay to give another player a bad deal?
I didn't say he has the worst contract on the planet. I said he isn't worth 6.5m.

By the way, Nurse is better than JP.

 

[Satanphonehome]

He was 8th in D scoring last season while not being a tire fire defensively.
Even including his horrible season this year, he's 20th in the league in scoring for defenseman since 2017.
He was also a core player on a defensive oriented team that made it to the cup finals in 2021.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least make some quick search.
Not even getting into the mechanics of players right, elc/rfa vs ufa and what not.

Was, is and will be are not the same things.

If you want to be taken seriously stop pretending that Petry was worth his salary this year and is not a depreciating asset.

There is not a GM in the league who would take him in the 1st round of a league-wide defenceman draft, yet that is what his paycheque calls for.

He was a very good player who is coming off a mediocre season at an age where most players are retiring.

There’s a chance he could be good next year somewhere in someone’s top 4. There’s also a chance that he will continue to slide.
There is no chance he has 3 years of top-pairing play left in him.

Not saying he’s crap. I am saying that is anything but a value contract.

 

[Zman5778]

Regardless, he isn't worth 6.5m.
I have typed that 3 times now and I can't type it any slower.

Doesn't matter to Buffalo in the slightest that he isn't worth his cap hit. He'll still have some value to Buffalo due to what he would bring.

 

[jfhabs]

Was, is and will be are not the same things.

If you want to be taken seriously stop pretending that Petry was worth his salary this year and is not a depreciating asset.

There is not a GM in the league who would take him in the 1st round of a league-wide defenceman draft, yet that is what his paycheque calls for.

He was a very good player who is coming off a mediocre season at an age where most players are retiring.

There’s a chance he could be good next year somewhere in someone’s top 4. There’s also a chance that he will continue to slide.
There is no chance he has 3 years of top-pairing play left in him.

Not saying he’s crap. I am saying that is anything but a value contract.

He's still good. Try and watch a game before forming an opinion based on hockeydb...

 

[Vachon23]

About a decade ago, when the Sabres were right at the beginning of the tank and rebuild, the Sabres reportedly offered Shane Doan a contract worth $7.5M per season. That offer was considered a massive overpayment. Doan stayed in Arizona regardless.

Looking back now, having Doan as the captain when bringing in Eichel, Reinhart, and the youth drafted during the Sabres tank year would've saved the Sabres about 6 years of heartache. The Sabres failures since 2015 had nothing to do with skills. It was all mental and maturity. In that regard, Shane Doan would've been worth $10M per season.

The Sabres have the best young blueline in hockey. Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Jokiharju are all 22. Power is 19. Buffalo is actively looking for a veteran to add onto the blue line, and it's not for skill. Buffalo is looking for a veteran to help those kids navigate the NHL game, on and off the ice.

In that regard, $6.5M is a bargain.

Shane Doan and Jeff Petry are completely different though, Doan was always considered as a great leader. Petry is not a leader and he's not someone who will mentor Power. He still can bring good hockey for next year but don't expect a ton of leadership of his part.

 

[pth2]

A few weeks ago I agreed on a trade - Vegas' 2nd rounder in 2023 for Petry, no retention.

I think that was underpayment, honestly, and I was mostly interested in looking at which destinations were possible, so didn't quibble on details.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Don't see why Buffalo would be interested but the contract is cheap for a player of his calibre. And of course no contender coud fit his contract in at the trade deadline. After the season is a different matter completely.

“Contract is cheap for a player of his calibre.” You honest believe any GM sees 6.25 x 3 for a 34 year defence man as a bargain?

Dude there’s only 1 Ken Holland and he’s already got his Keith for next season.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Regardless, he isn't worth 6.5m.
I have typed that 3 times now and I can't type it any slower.

X3 seasons no less.

 

[Irie]

Much rather see the Sabres save their cap and roll with with the kids then add the Petry contract.

While fighting for a playoff spot is going to be a goal for next year's team, the chance of them doing that rides mostly on Adam's ability to address their goaltending. Adding a guy like Petry is likely to have a much smaller affect on that goal.

The Sabres lockerroom seems to be about as healthy as it has ever been right now, and I'd think long and hard before adding any new vets, especially one who's family might live in another city and is unhappy with his situation.

 

[threeVo]

While both hits and blocks are pretty relative by rink, Petry is 26th in hits/60 and 32nd in blocks/60 out of RHD who've played 40 NHL games or more this season (that's a field of 89 guys).

Yea but thats pedestrian for the contract he holds.

 

[Chainshot]

Yea but thats pedestrian for the contract he holds.

It's not the only thing he gets paid to do.

 

[Lockin17]

I can't see a scenario where Buffalo is moving their own 1st round picks. Maybe for a star player in his prime. Certainly not for Petry and Allen.

Let's say Buffalo goes in for a playoff spot by getting players like Allen and Petry , so this first rd pick ends up being a late pick , so a lape first pick for Allen and Petry is not that bad.

 

[archangel2]

A few weeks ago I agreed on a trade - Vegas' 2nd rounder in 2023 for Petry, no retention.

I think that was underpayment, honestly, and I was mostly interested in looking at which destinations were possible, so didn't quibble on details.

LOL

You might have agreed: Being a montreal fan. But the rest of us would say for that 2nd rounder? 50% retention. Petry is slowing down and is not with his contract

 

[archangel2]

I am amused how posters are trading 30+ players on contracts over 5 mlll, who are starting to breakdown to the Sabres for a good pick with no cap retention.

 

[Lockin17]

Sabres aren't desperately chasing a cup or going all in.

Great mentality , no wonder you guys suck year after year

 

[Chainshot]

Let's say Buffalo goes in for a playoff spot by getting players like Allen and Petry , so this first rd pick ends up being a late pick , so a lape first pick for Allen and Petry is not that bad.

I mean, "late" is relative. It's probably about 17 or 18 at best if we're being pragmatic while still thinking they can overcome the gap to get into 8th in the East.

Again, I can see them offering up a couple of picks for someone like Petry, like maybe their own second this year and a 3rd next, but I don't think they bite on the idea of Allen and not for their own first.

 

[Captain Mountain]

LOL

You might have agreed: Being a montreal fan. But the rest of us would say for that 2nd rounder? 50% retention. Petry is slowing down and is not with his contract

Under MSL he's got 18 points in 28 games (similar rate to McAvoy, Dahlin, Letang, Spurgeon and Krug) without major PP time and has a 5v5 CF%, GF%, xGF% and HDCF% over 50% with a D-zone and top competition push on a team that regularly gets outplayed.

Players that are slowing down tend to actually slow down and not accelerate.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Let's say Buffalo goes in for a playoff spot by getting players like Allen and Petry , so this first rd pick ends up being a late pick , so a lape first pick for Allen and Petry is not that bad.

Sounds great in theory, but how much do those guys really move the needle in a loaded Eastern Conference on a young rebuilding team? While I'm optimistic about the direction this team is moving in they aren't in a position to be moving their own 1st round picks particularly in a draft as loaded as 23 looks to be. If that's Montreal's ask for 2 aging vets it's a pretty easy no for Buffalo.

 

[Lockin17]

Sounds great in theory, but how much do those guys really move the needle in a loaded Eastern Conference on a young rebuilding team? While I'm optimistic about the direction this team is moving in they aren't in a position to be moving their own 1st round picks particularly in a draft as loaded as 23 looks to be. If that's Montreal's ask for 2 aging vets it's a pretty easy no for Buffalo.

you guys have been picking top 10 in the past 10 years ,
2 x #1 and 2 x #2 and still not ready to make a play to get to the playoff ??
Jezz you guys will never be ready.