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Injury Report: Petr Mrazek (Groin Again) [Update Nov 7: Out 4 weeks]

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The Podium said:
.900+ sv% isn’t terrible for a third string goalie…:huh:
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He only recently became the 3rd stringer. Let's not forget he started as a potential starter/1A for the Jets before sucking and falling down to backup, and sucking at that falling further down to a 3rd stringer who gets 5-6 games a year due to injuries
 
hamzarocks said:
I loved Reimer, but he couldn't handle playing more than 35 or so games a year when he was with the leafs.

Leafs weren't a contender in part due to Reimer failing in 2012 and 2014 (two of his poor seasons here in Toronto)

Andersen is comfortably better than Reimer. He is a top 10 Leafs goalie of all time (probably around 8th to 10th range), Reimer isn't.

Reimer had 2 good years, which he gave 35ish starts (2011 and 2013). The other years were quite unforgettable

Carved out a good career with the panthers + Canes as a 1B goalie but that is his max ability.

Andersen is a bonafide 60 game starter who is/was a top 7 goalie in the league.
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Reimer had injury issues for sure but I think you completely overrate Andersens ability and quality in his time with the Leafs. Never part of the Vezina race and when it felt like he was, he shat the bed for long stretches to remove himself from those convos. He was wildly inconsistent with great peaks and very low depths of quality. That was probably because he played too much, but that's a whole different conversation. In my opinion, Reimer was underrated and Andersen was overrated, even with his current hot start. They provided similar results at the end of the day and the stats demonstrate that. I'd take Andersen over Reimer at the same salary so I probably agree he was better.

Either way, Reimer should have been an option over Mrazek but Mrazek will be fine. Very tough start with the Leafs though.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Guess who had the only sub .900 save percentage out of both of them. Guess who played on a contending team and who didn't in their times here.

Look, this isn't an Andersen or Reimer thread. At the end of the day, the Leafs have an injury to their "back up" and have options for their 3rd stringer.

Hutchinson is ok and capable. Woll and Kallgren are question marks. They'll be fine. They really need only about 4 starts in the next 4 weeks from their back up.
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I wouldn't say Michael Hutchinson is a capable NHL goalie, but at third string you're not expecting much.

He's played 30 career games for the Maple Leafs going back to 2018-19 and won 10 games.

The biggest draw back to Hutch is he's a bit of a "Cooler" aka his play style has a way of demotivating the team around him with his soft goals and unreactive paralyzed body language after. He's fine if you just need a guy to step in on night 2 of the back to back and kind of take the L, but the risk is he's a "known quantity" and he could kill the team's confidence and momentum and set the team on a losing streak.
 
The Podium said:
Lmao, 2 game sample? Over his 137 game career….
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What he's done in other places is great but the majority of his Leaf career has been garbage, he couple good games last year but he's pissed away WAY more points tthan he's gained for this season team

If it wasn't Buffalo next Saturday I'd be more comfortable putting in Woll at leaxt he don't know what he can do he has the potential to surprise.

With Hutchinson we know.

But he SHOULD still be OK VS. Buffalo.
 
I want to see woll on get a start on a back to back

we know what we have in hutch hoping woll can take an opportunity and Excel
 
I'd have been fine with Mrazek on a one-year deal, but never understood giving the 1B/backup term.
 
Brown Dog said:
I'd have been fine with Mrazek on a one-year deal, but never understood giving the 1B/backup term.
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2.38 GAA and .914% in 92 games (3 seasons, 2 of them being 40 NHL games) with the Hurricanes... seems like a good fit to me.

Find me a goaltender that signed for 1 season recently that was actually good or better than Mrazek.
 
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Brown Dog said:
I'd have been fine with Mrazek on a one-year deal, but never understood giving the 1B/backup term.
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I wouldn't have liked the potential of both goalies being out of contract in the same offseason too much. My preference was for a two-year deal...no way of knowing if that was ever a realistic option though.
 
13pacheco31 said:
Woll has not been good in the minors, he's been bellow .900 sv% 3 games into his third season
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He's wildly inconsistent. He's had some good games and stretches with the Marlies but obviously nowhere near as good as he should be. This year is a make or break year for him and he's already off to a questionable start but has been injured so perhaps needs more time to settle in.

Kallgren though seems like a very good option. He might be the best of the 3 options right now.
 
This exactly. It’s not that he’s a terrible goalie, but his play style in combination with the propensity of allowing soul crushing goals is what makes him a potential disaster during this stretch. We’re going to have to pray that the games he starts our offence scores a ton.
 
I hated this acquisition precisely because of this guy being made of glass. Hope he's traded before next season.
 
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So he plays 2 games and gets injured in both.

I hope he can go on LTIR so we can at least get some cap relief.
 
Brown Dog said:
I'd have been fine with Mrazek on a one-year deal, but never understood giving the 1B/backup term.
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Seemed to me to be a permanent fall back if Campbell failed and/or they couldn't sign him long term. I thought there might be cheaper backup options, but only a couple with the same "#1 status" when he is on. The problem is, this backup has been injury prone his entire career. It was an odd decision, for three years only due to the Leafs Cap issues, time will tell if it works out.

Let's face it, the Cap is going to be a problem for too many teams, especially in the goalie position. The league should just adopt a Luxury Tax system, even if the punishment is severe. Let the wealthy teams help fund some of the smaller market teams in such a manner and provide some wiggle room to franchises. Even the small market Blues are begging for relief right now and Bettman shot them down.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Oh no that's just the most recent example there is also the 19-20 season where he pissed away 10-15 points.
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Hutchinson started 11 games for the Leafs in 2019-2020, and we got 9 points from him, so it's literally impossible for him to have "pissed away 15 points", and even suggesting he "pissed away 10 points" would equal highly unrealistic expectations for a backup/3rd string goalie.
Yeah he had a couple good games last year but the VAST a majority of his time with the Leafs he's been garbage
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He was good for us in 2018-2019 and 2020-2021, which represent over 50% of his starts with Toronto.
 
SprDaVE said:
Hutchinson is more than capable. I don't understand how anyone can hate him in his role. His stats have been very respectable over the last year or so. He's the Plan C.

I'd give Woll a start or two though. He's been very inconsistent with the Marlies but he could be the 3rd stringer next season, so not a bad idea to give him a NHL look. Make or break season for him. If he doesn't work than try out Kallgren.

This team doesn't need prime Carey Price to replace Mrazek. They only need about 3 maybe 4 starts from the backup in the next 4 weeks.
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Honestly Hutch is probably well above average when it comes to 3rd string goalies. Folks act like every team has like 2 1Bs behind their starter, which simply isn't the case.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Hutchinson started 11 games for the Leafs in 2019-2020, and we got 9 points from him, so it's literally impossible for him to have "pissed away 15 points", and even suggesting he "pissed away 10 points" would equal highly unrealistic expectations for a backup/3rd string goalie.

He was good for us in 2018-2019 and 2020-2021, which represent over 50% of his starts with Toronto.
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He went 4-9-1

That's 9 out of 28 points.

You are wrong

Stop being wrong
 
tough pill to swallow here. Honestly, we need to shelf Petr until he is 100%

This on and off shit has to stop. His last start seemed a bit rushed. There was seemingly no timeline for return while the team was on their roady, and then all of a sudden they come home and he's in against his former club Detroit. I understand Petr wants to get in and prove himself, but we really need him to be healthy.
 
Brown Dog said:
I'd have been fine with Mrazek on a one-year deal, but never understood giving the 1B/backup term.
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Then the team likely wouldn't have gotten him. The market has been fairly favorable to 1b types last offseason.

If the team believes in Campbell then he was imo still a better invest than one of the 5ish mil guys who signed this past offseason
 
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