Injury Report: Petr Mrazek (Groin Again) [Update Nov 7: Out 4 weeks]

[Anthrax442]

Looking at what other goalie moves were made in tbh off-season what would you have preferred?

Keeping Andy

 

[Dekes For Days]

He went 4-9-1
That's 9 out of 28 points.
You are wrong

He started 11 games for us that year. He was attributed a few losses in games he came into after Andersen screwed up and got pulled. The only one wrong here was you, on both points. While he did struggle for that half of a season, he did not "piss away 10-15 points" that year, and he has not been "garbage" in the "vast majority of his time here". He's our above average 3rd string goalie who will get a few games due to injury. You don't need to act like the sky is falling every time he gets a game.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Keeping Andy

The guy who quit on the team with an undiagnosed undisclosed “injury”? No thanks, we’ve seen that story play out before.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Give woll a game and let Campbell be his positive influence

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He started 11 games for us that year. He was attributed a few losses in games he came into after Andersen screwed up and got pulled. The only one wrong here was you, on both points. While he did struggle for that half of a season, he did not "piss away 10-15 points" that year, and he has not been "garbage" in the "vast majority of his time here".

9 out of 28 points you are wrong he pissed away a minimum of 10 and a maximum of 15 points.

Another 2 eariler this season against SJ.

even in his "good" year that you like to point to he lost more than he won.

Last year is the only time he won more than he lost in Toronto.

He sucks he's proven it that isn't up for debate

If they didn't have Buffalo next Saturday I'd be more comfortable putting in Woll at leaxt we don't know what he can do he has the potential to surprise.

We know what Hutchinson is he's not good.

Even still he SHOULD be able to handle Buffalo

 

[Dekes For Days]

9 out of 28 points you are wrong he pissed away a minimum of 10 and a maximum of 15 points.

Hutchinson is not to blame for Andersen screwing up. He started 11 games for us that year (years ago). That's a maximum of 22 points, and he got 9. He was also not to blame for every single loss, and a backup (primarily playing back-ends of back-to-backs no less) is not expected to have a perfect record, so if you are suggesting he "pissed away 10-15 points", that means your expectations of a backup range from wildly unrealistic to literally impossible. He did not "piss away 10-15 points" that year, and he has not been "garbage" in the "vast majority of his time here". He's our above average 3rd string goalie who will get a few games due to injury. Not a big deal.

 

[DarkKnight]

The guy who quit on the team with an undiagnosed undisclosed “injury”? No thanks, we’ve seen that story play out before.

That’s bs, it was a legit injury. I get people don’t want him back but stop with the garbage.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That’s bs, it was a legit injury. I get people don’t want him back but stop with the garbage.

Seeing as TML’s extensive medical staff and resources could not identify the actual injury and were being held hostage by Freddie “feeling right” I’ll continue to hold my opinion. Dude shut it down last year knowing he was done here

 

[Nylanderthal]

Hutchinson is not to blame for Andersen screwing up. He started 11 games for us that year (years ago). That's a maximum of 22 points, and he got 9. He was also not to blame for every single loss, and a backup (primarily playing back-ends of back-to-backs no less) is not expected to have a perfect record, so if you are suggesting he "pissed away 10-15 points", that means your expectations of a backup range from wildly unrealistic to literally impossible. He did not "piss away 10-15 points" that year, and he has not been "garbage" in the "vast majority of his time here". He's our above average 3rd string goalie who will get a few games due to injury. Not a big deal.

I thought you knew that there should be a vezina quality netminder on the Marlies just in case.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Hutchinson is not to blame for Andersen screwing up. He started 11 games for us that year (years ago). That's a maximum of 22 points, and he got 9. He was also not to blame for every single loss, and a backup (primarily playing back-ends of back-to-backs no less) is not expected to have a perfect record, so if you are suggesting he "pissed away 10-15 points", that means your expectations of a backup range from wildly unrealistic to literally impossible. He did not "piss away 10-15 points" that year, and he has not been "garbage" in the "vast majority of his time here". He's our above average 3rd string goalie who will get a few games due to injury. Not a big deal.

"above average" goalies don't lose more than they win he does, by alot.

 

[Mess]

Lets hope Jack Campbell can hold up to the heavy workload and Mrazek is not going to be much help for a while.

Mrazek dressed for only 12 games all of last year to various injuries and this year has gotten off to the same.

 

[123offtheglass]

Jeez I did not like this signing initially & so far it's been pretty brutal, hopefully he takes the time to nip this in the bud & stay reasonably healthy.

 

[Dekes For Days]

"above average" goalies don't lose more than they win

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the "3rd string goalie" part of that "above average" statement, and wins are a team stat. He's an above average 3rd string goalie. The world is not going to end because he plays a few games due to injury.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

That’s bs, it was a legit injury. I get people don’t want him back but stop with the garbage.

I mean...it didn't sound super legit if you watched the All or Nothing series. I am not gonna full on say he made it up...but it certainly left reason to be suspicious. Freddy was shot mentally last year I think.

 

[DarkKnight]

Seeing as TML’s extensive medical staff and resources could not identify the actual injury and were being held hostage by Freddie “feeling right” I’ll continue to hold my opinion. Dude shut it down last year knowing he was done here

I guess you hate Matthews then for hanging out with a guy that quit on the organization. Such nonsense dude.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the "3rd string goalie" part of that "above average" statement, and wins are a team stat. He's an above average 3rd string goalie. The world is not going to end because he plays a few games due to injury.

Even "above average" 3rd string goalies probably don't lose as much as he does, even if they did they did they likely don't have the talent in front of them that he does.

His record should be much better than it is considering the offense this team has put up, not quite up to par this year but it's getting there.

In years past they have scored A LOT

 

[DarkKnight]

I mean...it didn't sound super legit if you watched the All or Nothing series. I am not gonna full on say he made it up...but it certainly left reason to be suspicious. Freddy was shot mentally last year I think.

Ya, I’m going to be a free agent, let’s make the league think I’m done. What chess he and his agent played! Come on guys.

 

[mcleex]

Please no Hutch. We need a better option

 

[Dekes For Days]

Even "above average" 3rd string goalies probably don't lose as much as he does

You can't evaluate the play of goaltenders based exclusively on a team-based stat, and you seemingly have very unreasonable expectations of 3rd string goalies. Leafs will survive a few games by Hutchinson - an above average 3rd string goalie - while their backup is healing.

 

[Bomber0104]

You can't evaluate the play of goaltenders based exclusively on a team-based stat, and you seemingly have very unreasonable expectations of 3rd string goalies. Leafs will survive a few games by Hutchinson - an above average 3rd string goalie - while their backup is healing.

All goalie stats are team based.

There's not one that has proven in any way to isolate a goaltender's impact.

Not a single solitary one.

Without a measure of shooter talent, there can be no measure of goalie talent by the same token.

Simple concept that seems to totally escape the "experts" on blogs and Twitter.

 

[Dekes For Days]

All goalie stats are team based.

Not true at all.

 

[Bomber0104]

Not true at all.

Very true.

There is zero.

Not a single goalie stat that can isolate a goalie's impact.

If you can't or don't measure and quantify shooter talent/shot selection then you cannot conversely attempt to quantify the talent of the goalie.

It's simple logic, and irrefutable.

And why these stats are outright dismissed by professionals that actually work in the NHL.

Forgive me completely dunking on you but I'm totally against willful spread of misinformation.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Ya, I’m going to be a free agent, let’s make the league think I’m done. What chess he and his agent played! Come on guys.

I mean...I am not the only one that got that impression based off of what we watched with our own eyes. The team doctor said it was indefinite and up to Fred when he would be able to return and he just so happened to go down as his play had fallen off an absolute cliff....and then all of a sudden when we trade for a new backup goalie his knee is feeling better and he is able to return after having no time table at all. I'm not saying he definitely wasn't injured but I have no idea how all of the events added up don't trigger some warning signs there that it might have been more of an issue between his ears then in his knee.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Very true.

It's not true at all. Pretty much every goalie stat is more representative of a goalie's play than win-loss record, and there are a lot of valuable statistics that do a good job isolating individual play. You just arbitrarily refuse to accept any statistic that shows results you dislike.

 

[Bomber0104]

Repeating "it's not true" isn't a rebuttal.

Try to respond to what's responded to you in a proper way, based on what's written.

Read, comprehend, and then respond to the points in an intelligible way.

I'll even bold the key takeaway for you.

I'm sure you'll do better this time.

It's not true at all. Pretty much every goalie stat is more representative of a goalie's play than win-loss record, and there are a lot of valuable statistics that do a good job isolating individual play. You just arbitrarily refuse to accept any statistic that provides results you dislike.

Very true.

There is zero.

Not a single goalie stat that can isolate a goalie's impact.

If you can't or don't measure and quantify shooter talent/shot selection then you cannot conversely attempt to quantify the talent of the goalie.

It's simple logic, and irrefutable.

And why these stats are outright dismissed by professionals that actually work in the NHL.

Forgive me completely dunking on you but I'm totally against willful spread of misinformation.