I agree with all of that but IMO the Petes should keep Lefebvre as an OA to start next season - he’s been very effective so far this year and he seems to be getting better.
Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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I’m a wait and see on Lefebvre as of now I know he’s been good to start the season so far but to me he’s gotta at least hit 20 goals this year to be in the conversation for a OA spot. He’s still only got 4 goals in 65 career games need to see more imo
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If someone offers a 5th round pick, do you move him? I think if he has a good year this year as a starter, you can get more than a 5th round pick next year trading him in his OA season.
Personally, I think if the offers are similar to a 5th round pick then his value is higher remaining in Peterborough. Bowen is good but he is one year younger and having him as a platoon or backup the remainder of the year while maintaining stability in net for the Peyes is probably more valuable than a 5th round pick.
If the Petes can get a 3rd round pick then maybe that would be enough to make the move but goalies tend to not return heavy value unless they are elite. Simpson was elite and you only ended up with a 3rd and Bowen. That is indicative of how weak the goalie value’s tend to be. Trading a player for whatever you can get isn’t the best route. Maintaining stability in net, elevating the tema int he standings and giving the team a more positive return in development with higher levels of confidence is also important.
The one tremendous outcome so far this season is how well the team has started. It shows that there is an element of confidence and stature remaining from last season. Keeping a handful of players that don’t garner a favourable return isn’t a bad thing. It keeps the momentum going, keeps confidence high and keeps the fans interested and happy. That isn’t a bad thing if the trade off is refusing a few 5th round picks for players that are under appreciated.
Again, if they are appropriately appreciated and they do garner elevated offers then for sure you trad them.
To me if they already have decided he won’t be back as a OA then I think you gotta see what you have in Bowen before going into next season imo so yes I would trade him for a 5th. The market for OA goalies is never that great and if the Petes sell off Mayer and smith then how good is he gonna look in front of that d core?
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I don’t remember saying anything negative about the Petes this year at all. “Suggesting” Beck “may not be viewed” as “elite” from a trade perspective isn’t a bad thing. I didn’t say he was a bum. I also didn’t say he would garner a return that was weak, just maybe not involving a 2023 1st when considering the current market. Tempering expectations is far from throwing rotten tomatoes.
I know a lot of Petes fans appreciate not living in an echo chamber. We have Petes fans that contribute on the 67’s thread as well and I appreciate their insight.
Why you get all uptight because there is a “slight” difference of opinion is baffling to me. I could understand if I was unloading the garbage truck at your door but that is simply not the case at all.
I don’t believe I am being insensitive, nor do I feel I am being unfair. I make the same assessments on the 67’s thread for my “home town team” as I do here. I question values and welcome conflicting viewpoints.
All I can say is if what I contribute doesn’t mesh with your sensitivities related to the Petes, there is always the IGNORE button. If you press it, you won’t ever have to worry about reading my contributions.
Regarding the specific post you referenced, I asked, “What if?” I wanted to get a sense of whether there was any value in obtaining a D-Man one year younger with more of an offensive upside you wouldn’t need to spend an OA spot on next year. I got my answer and I respected the opinions of those that provided their input. If you find that offensive, I don’t know what to say. Loads of opposing teams fans come on other threads asking about the availability of players and whether “X” player would be of interest in a potential deal. You don’t need to get all offended. Respond with a counter argument or ignore and move on. I don’t understand the hostilities.
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I know absolutely ZERO about Rye. Do you think he can share the load with Bowen? If so then that makes sense. If not, you may need a backup. How does that figure into the process from your perspective? if you need to trade an 8th for a backup, then it may be sticky.
I don’t think the PEtes management needs to cut as deep as you are suggesting. I think there is value in keeping some players to maintain performance. Unless the idea is to bottom out and gain a top 5 pick, I don‘t see any reason to take middling picks for players that contribute for the Petes.
Plus, you only get 30 player cards. There are only so many transactions you can make. When you push someone out, usually someone needs to replace them. Push too many guys out, you run out of cards. At some point they will need to decide where that balance lies because no matter what the Petes do, they aren’t picking top 5. No chance. That ship sailed with their strong start.
Depends on what the goal is next season. I can see a kid like him being an OA as a depth player on a rebuilding team. I assume the Petes will be rebuilding next year with eyes set more on 25-26 and 26-27.
I never said you that said anything bad about the Petes THIS year, but I do recall you posting in the Ottawa thread last year that you got banned from the Peterborough thread or something. Not sure how that would happen if you were only saying nice things.
I do believe there were multiple posters who took issue last year.
If you don’t like people disagreeing with your opinion then maybe you should ignore this thread and move on.
An interesting conversation on the Petes vs Sudbury intermission show on YourTV Peterborough between Dan Malta and Scott Arnold. Arnold said he thinks the Petes will be buyers instead of sellers given their position in the standings. He thinks the Petes want a shot at winning another championship. It is an interesting take. I am not sure we have the draft picks to make any moves and I don’t believe Carson Cameron is going anywhere. Thoughts!!!
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This would be a very silly approach for the Petes to take in my opinion. The team will have to assess where they are at the deadline of course but I just see no way that it makes sense to trade Cameron and try to make some moves. I have full confidence in whatever Oke decides and i'm 99.99% certain they will be selling, as they should.
I agree. However I think it will only be a small rebuild. What I see happening is they will trade Owen Beck for a good 17 year old forward two, 2nds and one or two, 3rds and Sam Mayer for a 17 or 18 year old defenceman and a 2nd and a 3rd. I could see them bringing in Tyler Savard (who appears to have left Kingston) as a free agent to take Mayer’s overage spot.
Just simply won’t happen. They’re doing well but they are not contenders. It’s impossible to your 16 and 17 YO first round picks and not go into a rebuild. Buy in would set the Pete’s up for some PAINFUL years ahead.
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I got a suspension from the thread because I had poked fun at Panwar as a joke and he scored a hat trick that night. So, the Petes fans said I should keep it up so before every game he played, I mock insulted him to keep the streak going and he did keep his scoring streak going. BUT, one clown reported it and of course the other clown moderator (thank God it is now ONLY Nelli who has much better sense). took it out of context as if the insult was real and I got banned from the thread. So, no, I didn’t do anything wrong when the full context is taken into consideration. Hell, I did it to help the Petes dammit! Panwar doing well was against the benefit of Ottawa.
See the sacrifices I make for the Petes? And I am so under-appreciated…. Oh well. That’s life.
Buy with what? Unless they wanna throw some money under the table to niagara…
They literally can’t buy lol they have no picks.
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exactly they literally can’t. and i have no idea why people are suggesting otherwise. if they are still first at the deadline, it will be a measured sell but Beck, Mayer and others have to be gone for the right price
I don’t think they are going to buy. I posted the conversation as I found it an interesting take from the Petes TV broadcast colour commentator. The Petes are in a no win situation. They are 1st in the conference but have hardly any 2nd , 3rd and 4th round draft picks. If they stand pat and try to win a round or two they will have nothing for next few years but if they trade all their best players and tank the fans will be very upset. Fans that have followed the Petes for years understand the cycle but many newer fans don’t. This showed when they traded Connor Lockhart with the comments on social media. As I said in an earlier post tonight. I see a smaller rebuild than some do. I think the Petes will only trade a couple players to obtain two younger players and replenish their draft pick cupboard but will keep enough to likely be a middle of the pack team.
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They traded the top goalie in the league and one of the top OA Forwards that would be considered “available.” Teams considering BUYING don’t sell two of the top players in the league. That would be an odd way to contend. I could jsut imagine the conversations in the management office…
”OK, guys. We want to win another Championship. What is the strategy?”
”Alright, I have a good plan. Let’s start by trading one of the top 3 goalies in the league…. Then we trade a point per game OA forward for a 3rd and 5th… Then we bundle the two 3rds and a 5th we got for those two players and we get, ummmm, errrr, ummm. On second thought. Maybe we should sell…”
So far their plan has worked. They traded Michael Simpson and got Zach Bowen and 3rd as a result they have one of the best goaltending tandems in the conference. The Petes made the decision to keep Cam Gauvreau as their third overage. He has been solid for the Petes and he gives Peterborough four veteran defenceman who won an OHL Championship plus Carson Cameron who plays like a veteran. They may be the best in the division. They traded Connor Lockhart to get down to three overages. Yes the return was low but they needed to move when they did so they keep Tucker Roberson on their protected list after the deadline to get down to four overages which was November 10th. Up front they have multiple players contributing to the offence. They will still likely trade Owen Beck and Sam Mayer but with an eye to getting younger and obtaining needed draft picks but still being competitive. However no one knows for sure what they will do.
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I know we all know this but.....Usually first place teams are buyers but the Petes are only sellers because of the cyclical nature of Junior Hockey. This is a development league for teenagers where teams are typically good for two years and then not good for two years (give or take), buyers for two years and sellers for two years. Teams spend draft picks to get top payers in trades, then finish high in standings and as a result get lower draft picks the next year.
Pieces that interfere with this cycle in Junior Hockey are good coaching, good trades and good draft picks. The Petes have done all three.
We are in a good position to trade away a few top players AND still have a competitive team this year and on to the next few years because of the coaching and drafting and we might even trade for lower value players who we develop into good players.
We do need draft picks for the next few years to remain competitive.
The biggest decision will be Mayer. Mayer (along with McCoy) is the heart of the team and has been one of the most underrated players in the OHL. He does so much for the Petes now but as an OA he will get a good return for the next few years.
It's a good problem to have. Go Petes!
Pieces that interfere with this cycle in Junior Hockey are good coaching, good trades and good draft picks. The Petes have done all three.
We are in a good position to trade away a few top players AND still have a competitive team this year and on to the next few years because of the coaching and drafting and we might even trade for lower value players who we develop into good players.
We do need draft picks for the next few years to remain competitive.
The biggest decision will be Mayer. Mayer (along with McCoy) is the heart of the team and has been one of the most underrated players in the OHL. He does so much for the Petes now but as an OA he will get a good return for the next few years.
It's a good problem to have. Go Petes!
As I said on the Ottawa thread. I am torn on what the Petes should do. My head tells me they need to do a small rebuild but my heart does not want the Petes to break up this team. In reality no one knows what Peterborough are going to do at the trade deadline. They have never said this is at rebuilding year. I really don’t think they are going to be buyer as they don’t have the assets. However I doubt they are not going to tank the team given the position they are in. As I have consistently said they will trade Owen Beck for likely a 16 or 17 year old forward plus two, 2nds and two, 3rds. I am starting to think they will likely also trade Sam Mayer for probably a 17 or 18 year old defenceman and a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th. I am not sure they will take an overage back in a deal for him if it lowers the draft picks. If the Petes make those moves at the suggested returns the Petes will have four, 2nds, four or five, 3rds, one or two, 4ths and four, 5ths in between 2024 and 2027. Do the Petes need make any other trades unless it is to similar players that are younger? I would say unless they can get additional good young players in return for Jonathan Melee, Donovan McCoy and Konnor Smith they keep them. I would not trade any of them for draft pick only unless they take the draft picks and turn them into good young players. We only have 23 players on the roster one of which is a goaltender so we will need to add players to replace the ones we trade.
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Unless you are Niagara. Then the cycle is poor for two years followed by poor for two years followed by poor for two years….. Something to be said about consistency.
Sorry Niagara fans. I couldn’t help myself.
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This is their opportunity to replenish picks. IF they don’t do it this year, they won’t have the valuable horses to replenish them next year. If they don’t sell, you better be prepared for a 3-4 year basement dwelling experience hanging out with the Ice Dogs.
The ‘05 and ‘06 crop is in the bottom 1/3 of the league because of the trades last year depleting the depth in those two drafts. It would literally be a complete rebuild almost from scratch if the Petes choose to keep the band together.
Enough of the talking nonsense. The Petes will be sellers.
Let's just enjoy the ride.
The trades for Schwindt and DBB got me thinking about Robertson.......Tucker Robertson is now at 5 points in 7 games playing in ECHL.
Ultimately it will be up to the Kraken, but maybe they decide that Robertson would be better off playing more minutes (especially PP and PK) in the OHL rather than playing some minutes in the ECHL. They are pretty deep when it comes to forwards in the organization and are expecting guys back from injury. Coachella Valley (AHL) sent Wright, Winterton, Shore up to the Kraken to fill in yet Robertson didn't get the call to fill their spots with CV.
I don't have any inside information, so I'm purely speculating, but if they were to send him back and slide his ELC to next season it may be a win-win-win-win situation for Tucker, the Kraken, the Petes and whoever the Petes trade him too.
Can the Petes keep it rolling and cap off the weekend in Oshawa with a win tomorrow afternoon? I'm hoping so.
Let's just enjoy the ride.
The trades for Schwindt and DBB got me thinking about Robertson.......Tucker Robertson is now at 5 points in 7 games playing in ECHL.
Ultimately it will be up to the Kraken, but maybe they decide that Robertson would be better off playing more minutes (especially PP and PK) in the OHL rather than playing some minutes in the ECHL. They are pretty deep when it comes to forwards in the organization and are expecting guys back from injury. Coachella Valley (AHL) sent Wright, Winterton, Shore up to the Kraken to fill in yet Robertson didn't get the call to fill their spots with CV.
I don't have any inside information, so I'm purely speculating, but if they were to send him back and slide his ELC to next season it may be a win-win-win-win situation for Tucker, the Kraken, the Petes and whoever the Petes trade him too.
Can the Petes keep it rolling and cap off the weekend in Oshawa with a win tomorrow afternoon? I'm hoping so.
Sorry but literally everybody knows the Petes are selling. This is not a championship caliber team and there is no point in trying to buy. The whole point in trading for Owen Beck instead of another 2003 was to be able to sell him off this year.
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100% and they’re smart for that too because not only did you guys get a championship but you still have a bunch of pieces you can sell off this year and kickstart the rebuild. I assume you’ll be similar to how Saginaw was last year when they traded mintukov. Maybe not as good as they were post trade but still 5-6 seed in the east potentially depending on who you get back for some of your guys
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