Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[OMG67]

If Punnet is not made available, there is no comparable fall back OA LD option.
Was Xhekaj not one of if not the highest price paid for a D two deadlines ago?

I think you meant OA D because Mintyukov went for much more than Xhekaj.

 

[dirty12]

I think you meant OA D because Mintyukov went for much more than Xhekaj.

No, I meant Mayer could be the best LD made available like Xhekaj two deadlines ago.
I think OS & NB would pay a fair price for a K.Smith type; and if Punnet is not available for trade, Mayer would fetch a return similar to DeAngelis. He is an OA, but I am unaware of another all-situation LD that can play half a game for every single game.

 

[Petes]

I think the Petes would go a different route if Tucker Robertson was to return. I am sure they would still trade Owen Beck and would have to trade one of their two overage forwards. Connor Lockhart could garner them a 2nd and 3rd or 4th. They would likely keep both Sam Mayer and Konner Smith with the eye to winning the East Division and winning a playoff round. In the two trades they would mostly rebuild their draft pick cupboard and add a good young player. That being said if the Petes could get a younger defenceman in a trade for Mayer they may do it. As I previously stated the Petes have not committed to doing a rebuild this year.

They have no draft picks. They have to rebuild.

 

[PuckStop75]

Thing to remember as much as the draft picks is that the Petes stripped down their 05/06 development years, what's left is a bunch of middle late rounders and when that group takes over in a years time things will get ugly. Petes will want players in return which is where Chromiak makes perfect sense. The hang up will be if Sudbury wants Mayer they will need to make room, trade or release an OA, There is no keeping players past the deadline for the Petes and allowing them to graduate with no return, be bad for half a season or risk being bad for multiple seasons. As demonstrated by the Bulldogs last season, if they do it right the competition level will not drop off significantly in the 2nd half.

 

[Bra Wavers]

Just spit-balling here....
Any chance of a two part deal with Sudbury.
Petes trade OSH 5th (24), PBO 3rd (25), PBO 3rd (27)

then a Mayer/Beck trade for players/picks at the TDL

Might be the only way for the Petes to do a deal for Chromiak

 

[Section5Petes]

Just spit-balling here....
Any chance of a two part deal with Sudbury.
Petes trade OSH 5th (24), PBO 3rd (25), PBO 3rd (27)

then a Mayer/Beck trade for players/picks at the TDL

Might be the only way for the Petes to do a deal for Chromiak

Personally, I have a feeling that the Petes are out on Chromiak especially with the complexities of a two part deal. Would be massive adding him, but I think the priority needs to be to stockpile as many picks as possible. This hypothetical, although it would be temporary, would leave the Petes with no thirds and even a Beck/Mayer deal would probably only bring back 2-3 3rds in the end anyways. COULD still work, but tough to predict how the rest of the market shakes up.

What I would really love is for Tucker Robertson to be sent back to the Petes and he is immediately flipped to the Saginaw Spirit for 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 4th

 

[Bra Wavers]

Personally, I have a feeling that the Petes are out on Chromiak especially with the complexities of a two part deal. Would be massive adding him, but I think the priority needs to be to stockpile as many picks as possible. This hypothetical, although it would be temporary, would leave the Petes with no thirds and even a Beck/Mayer deal would probably only bring back 2-3 3rds in the end anyways. COULD still work, but tough to predict how the rest of the market shakes up.

What I would really love is for Tucker Robertson to be sent back to the Petes and he is immediately flipped to the Saginaw Spirit for 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 4th

I agree that the problem is the market unknowns.....no real clarity on buyers/sellers other than the obvious teams. Until that gets clarified it's a really tough call for deals like this. Toure is out with an injured wrist for Sudbury, not sure how long. That adds another wrinkle to the whole scenario.

I will say that it will be nice to see Oke trading from a position of power this year compared to most years.

 

[User13452]

I think the Petes would go a different route if Tucker Robertson was to return. I am sure they would still trade Owen Beck and would have to trade one of their two overage forwards. Connor Lockhart could garner them a 2nd and 3rd or 4th. They would likely keep both Sam Mayer and Konner Smith with the eye to winning the East Division and winning a playoff round. In the two trades they would mostly rebuild their draft pick cupboard and add a good young player. That being said if the Petes could get a younger defenceman in a trade for Mayer they may do it. As I previously stated the Petes have not committed to doing a rebuild this year.

Well they certainly aren’t going to be buying players with no picks so I don’t see how they aren’t rebuilding. That’s just how the ohl works it’s a cycle they don’t really have a choice but to rebuild

 

[Petes1987]

They have no draft picks. They have to rebuild.

Well they certainly aren’t going to be buying players with no picks so I don’t see how they aren’t rebuilding. That’s just how the ohl works it’s a cycle they don’t really have a choice but to rebuild

They would get draft picks in the deal for Owen Beck and the extra overage. All they need is three, 2nds, two, 3rds, three 4ths and a 5th to fully rebuild their draft pick cupboard. If they got two, 2nds and two, 3rds in a deal for Owen Beck and they could likely get a 2nd and a 4th for Connor Lockhart they have mostly recouped the draft picks they traded last year.

 

[User13452]

They would get draft picks in the deal for Owen Beck and the extra overage. All they need is three, 2nds, two, 3rds, three 4ths and a 5th to fully rebuild their draft pick cupboard. If they got two, 2nds and two, 3rds in a deal for Owen Beck and they could likely get a 2nd and a 4th for Connor Lockhart they have mostly recouped the draft picks they traded last year.

Okay but that’s a rebuild then trading 2 of your best players

 

[Petes1987]

Okay but that’s a rebuild then trading 2 of your best players

It is a partial rebuild. This scenario is if we get Tucker Robertson. To make room for him they would need to trade one of their current overagers. We all expect Owen Beck will be traded. The two trades I purposed would recoup most of the draft picks they traded last year. Keep three good overages and Konnor Smith. This will allow them to remain competitive but require needed future assets. If Robertson does not return they likely will do a bit bigger rebuild and likely trade Konnor Smith

 

[dirty12]

A trade of Beck and one OA would make the Petes one of the major sellers imo

 

[OMG67]

A trade of Beck and one OA would make the Petes one of the major sellers imo

If they cut deep, may as well go all the way. No sense in going half cocked at the deadline as a seller. Don’t sell players for the sake of selying. They still need to get a viable return. The goal shouldn’t be to simply return the picks cabinet to balanced. The goal should be to create a surplus to be used in the future to buy when the time is right.

If they can get a 2nd and 3rd for Lockhart, I see no reason to keep him. An extra couple playoff games isn’t as meaningful as most think. The Petes likely need close to a full cycle to get back into contention. By the time that happens, the extra playoff games this year won’t matter.

 

[Section5Petes]

If they cut deep, may as well go all the way. No sense in going half cocked at the deadline as a seller. Don’t sell players for the sake of selying. They still need to get a viable return. The goal shouldn’t be to simply return the picks cabinet to balanced. The goal should be to create a surplus to be used in the future to buy when the time is right.

If they can get a 2nd and 3rd for Lockhart, I see no reason to keep him. An extra couple playoff games isn’t as meaningful as most think. The Petes likely need close to a full cycle to get back into contention. By the time that happens, the extra playoff games this year won’t matter.

This is exactly how I’ve been thinking about this too. Yes we have some pieces to keep us competitive for the rest of the season BUT we need to recoup picks and as you point out surplus picks for the future to use. If the offers aren’t good then certainly no point in getting rid of them but the Petes have to and will entertain all potential deals.

Oke and Wilson are saying what needs to be said to the media and fans especially at this point of the season but there will be players moved out. We are in year 1 of new President Dave Lorentz and his intentions are very clear: to be competitive every year and although they may not win it, they will be a yearly threat with a constant flow of talent and assets. In order to achieve this new philosophy, Oke has to make some moves to reset things for the Petes and set them up to be able to achieve this.

 

[OMG67]

This is exactly how I’ve been thinking about this too. Yes we have some pieces to keep us competitive for the rest of the season BUT we need to recoup picks and as you point out surplus picks for the future to use. If the offers aren’t good then certainly no point in getting rid of them but the Petes have to and will entertain all potential deals.

Oke and Wilson are saying what needs to be said to the media and fans especially at this point of the season but there will be players moved out. We are in year 1 of new President Dave Lorentz and his intentions are very clear: to be competitive every year and although they may not win it, they will be a yearly threat with a constant flow of talent and assets. In order to achieve this new philosophy, Oke has to make some moves to reset things for the Petes and set them up to be able to achieve this.

I think that is the key. It would be a completely different story if next years team looked like a potential contender. I think the next two seasons after this one will be somewhat lean in Peterborough. I think you need two, maybe three more drafts before the Petes start chomping at the bit to set up for another run. Any benefit of added playoff games this season won’t matter. It is not like it is an investment for next season.

Go get the picks and players that will be assets pushed forward through the next few seasons.

 

[Petes1]

 

[Section5Petes]

Still have to question what Quinn Binnie's role is on this team... '04 and gets limited shifts like he's a 16 year old rookie. From an organizational development standpoint I would much rather have given that spot to 6'4 '06 Isaac Larmand or 6'2 '06 Josh Frenette. Both Frenette and Larmand were in the last few rounds of cuts and were undoubtedly close to making it

 

[Petes]

Still have to question what Quinn Binnie's role is on this team... '04 and gets limited shifts like he's a 16 year old rookie. From an organizational development standpoint I would much rather have given that spot to 6'4 '06 Isaac Larmand or 6'2 '06 Josh Frenette. Both Frenette and Larmand were in the last few rounds of cuts and were undoubtedly close to making it

Both have struggled big time in the watered down OJHL. I don’t think they would’ve made a big impact either.

 

[Section5Petes]

Both have struggled big time in the watered down OJHL. I don’t think they would’ve made a big impact either.

Yeah I guess I'm just looking at it from a longer term development plan where they get some OHL reps and can be apart of this next wave. There is a large chance Binnie doesn't even return as an OA so just feels like it would be a waste of a spot.

 

[Petes]

Yeah I guess I'm just looking at it from a longer term development plan where they get some OHL reps and can be apart of this next wave. There is a large chance Binnie doesn't even return as an OA so just feels like it would be a waste of a spot.

Binnie won’t last the season let alone return as an OA.

 

[WorkHardEveryShift]

Why are they sending him to Alberta? Wouldn't it be better to have him closer in the OJHL or GOJHL so they can call him up quickly if they need him? McCallum did fine there last year and London/Kitchener/Guelph use JrB as a development ground every year

 

[User13452]

Binnie won’t last the season let alone return as an OA.

They most likely bring in more players then they move out when the deadline is all said and done he won’t have a spot on this team past the deadline my guess

 

[WillardJFredricks]

Still have to question what Quinn Binnie's role is on this team... '04 and gets limited shifts like he's a 16 year old rookie. From an organizational development standpoint I would much rather have given that spot to 6'4 '06 Isaac Larmand or 6'2 '06 Josh Frenette. Both Frenette and Larmand were in the last few rounds of cuts and were undoubtedly close to making it

Binnie looked good in the opener. Hard working, physical, looked good for a bottom 6 role. I haven't really noticed him since, however.

 

[Section5Petes]

Binnie looked good in the opener. Hard working, physical, looked good for a bottom 6 role. I haven't really noticed him since, however.

Exactly. If he’s only gonna be playing a bottom 6 role, I would rather that be a young kid who we can we can build with. Not bad having older players down there but he’s an ‘04 with around 50 career OHL games. Long season. We shall see

 

[Section5Petes]

Even with our 73 shots in the first period, still trail 2-1. We definitely had a slow start to that period but hopefully we can play the way we did in the back for the rest of the game and we should be fine.