Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 3)

[WillardJFredricks]

Last night vs Erie I didn't see the speed we saw with the Petes against Saginaw and Niagara. Sure 3 in 3 is going to cause some fatigue but it begs some questions about the teams' preparedness for the Erie game. That's on the coaches to be sure but almost all of these guys have been in the league for minimally three years now and they know they have to ready to go in every game. .

Feet weren't moving and there were just straight up bad passes and giveaways, one leading to an Erie goal. And could someone please work with Avon on his breakaway chances?

Yeah, I don't love using the "3 in 3" excuse. This is the OHL. 3 in 3 is standard. It's the way the league works.

 

[WillardJFredricks]

Petes got goalied against Saginaw. It happens. That game can be swept under the rug. No issues there. But, the problem is the Petes need to beat the weak teams more consistently. They need to go on longer stretches of giving up 2 or less goals against. As an outsider, I see a lot of random results. This makes it hard when they have a 4 or 5 game stretch of quality play and consider that potentially turning it around because they’ve had a lot of 4-5 game stretches. Then they follow that up with 4-5 game stretches where the look lost.

This is the problem, right here. They are so inconsistent. There have been several times this year where they play 2 or 3 solid games and we fans start thinking (hoping) they've figured it out and turned the corner, then they come out flat for the next 2 or 3. It's been like that all season and won't work at playoff time. Even if they run the table the remainder of the season, I'll still be nervous that the "other" team will show up again.

I guess the only positive about them being so unpredictable is that we have no clue what to expect each week when we go to the game. It's an adventure.

 

[OMG67]

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There’s no point in having a conversation because you can’t base your opinion on scoreboard watching. Go back and watch the last seven or eight games and then come back and talk.

At what point have I been talking about the Petes walking through the first round? Hmmm take a read back and come tell me.

And that is the only thing I have to comment on the 67’s because that’s their only game I’ve watched since before the trade deadline. I don’t scoreboard watch and then go shit talk and act all high and mighty in another teams thread.

It doesn’t matter how well you fiddle with the puck. Are you winning? Have the Petes done anything since acquiring Othmann? Sorry. They did actually go on a good win streak when he wasn’t in the lineup.

Just remember one thing. Multiple posters suggested the Petes could beat Ottawa in round 2. I am responding to that with recent stats and data to back up my argument that it is not realistic to assume the Petes will get further than round 2. I think they will win round one of they maintain their hold on 4th or 5th. This isn’t me trashing the Petes. I am just calling it like it is. Does it mean the PEtes can’t turn it al around like you are suggesting? No. They could. But why after 59 games will they suggest they could?

Playing well in losses to weak teams isn’t demonstrating capability of beating any of the top teams in a seven gamer. Beating Niagara 6-0 is like stealing Hallowe’en candy from primary school kids. Everyone is punching Niagara squarely in the face. Other wins against Oshawa, Kingston and Sudbury aren’t anything to use as a measuring stick either.

Ottawa gave up 12 shots in Kingston on Friday. They are garbage right now. Morrison out of the lineup and Boucher & Barlas didn’t finish the game. They rolled four lines all night and didn’t even put PP units out, just rolled lines. The level of competition Peterborough have played is not very good. That isn’t Peterborough’s fault though. The schedule is the schedule.

All I am saying is the Petes haven’t shown anything of consequence. And that is the for the entire year. It isn’t realistic to suggest wins against the lessor teams as evidence of a turnaround. IT is easy to look good when skating around pylons Half of the games.

 

[OMG67]

Of players waived through the O, many go to the Q. Of those waived through the Q, very few end up in the O.

You claim the OHL is in a weak cycle compared to the Q, but …

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That pretty much covers those most affected by COVID and all chl players old enough to have been drafted.

There is a big difference between 1st and 2nd rounders and 5th through 7th rounders. The “elite” players of the OHL aren’t in the ‘03 class.

Additionally, the WHL and QMJHL have funnelled all their elite players onto 3 teams. The OHL has 7 pretty good teams. The talent, or lack thereof, has been spread out over more teams.

I’m an Ottawa fan. I expected the team to be a really good team this year and we had preseason discussions about it. However, with ten of 25 roster players as 16-17 year olds, they should not be leading the league. Any other average year, there would be at least two or three better teams than Ottawa. This year? Nope. I don’t see any of the OHL teams competing at the Memorial Cup. The two league champs from the WHL and QMJHL will both be stacked. The OHL teams won’t be able to match it. Anything can happen is a one game situation but I am just being realistic when I say the OHL is in a down year compared to the other two leagues that are crazy top heavy.

Gatineau did what they wanted when they wanted against Ottawa. They blew right past the 67’s. Got in behind the defence almost at will. Is that a two game anomaly or a sign of the difference in talent? I think it is a difference in talent. Ottawa has given up 3 or less goals in 80% of their games this year Plus the two games against Gatineau. It could be an anomaly but those two games were like watching Ottawa vs Kingston.

Lack of ‘03s picked in the first two rounds, lack of players representing Canada at the WJHC, parity amongst the top 6-7 teams in the OHL and Ottawa leading the league while also being one of the youngest teams suggests it is a down year for the OHL.

 

[dirty12]

There is a big difference between 1st and 2nd rounders and 5th through 7th rounders. The “elite” players of the OHL aren’t in the ‘03 class.

Additionally, the WHL and QMJHL have funnelled all their elite players onto 3 teams. The OHL has 7 pretty good teams. The talent, or lack thereof, has been spread out over more teams.

I’m an Ottawa fan. I expected the team to be a really good team this year and we had preseason discussions about it. However, with ten of 25 roster players as 16-17 year olds, they should not be leading the league. Any other average year, there would be at least two or three better teams than Ottawa. This year? Nope. I don’t see any of the OHL teams competing at the Memorial Cup. The two league champs from the WHL and QMJHL will both be stacked. The OHL teams won’t be able to match it. Anything can happen is a one game situation but I am just being realistic when I say the OHL is in a down year compared to the other two leagues that are crazy top heavy.

Gatineau did what they wanted when they wanted against Ottawa. They blew right past the 67’s. Got in behind the defence almost at will. Is that a two game anomaly or a sign of the difference in talent? I think it is a difference in talent. Ottawa has given up 3 or less goals in 80% of their games this year Plus the two games against Gatineau. It could be an anomaly but those two games were like watching Ottawa vs Kingston.

Lack of ‘03s picked in the first two rounds, lack of players representing Canada at the WJHC, parity amongst the top 6-7 teams in the OHL and Ottawa leading the league while also being one of the youngest teams suggests it is a down year for the OHL.

Along with other teams due to a double cohort, NB did pretty well having 11 (16-17) yr olds that were all rookies last year. But yeah the top teams were previously veteran laden for the most part.
The other two chl leagues have had fewer more loaded teams for years. That is not new.
I’m not convinced it’s a down year for the 5 birth years combined in the OHL. And despite great regular seasons, I’m not convinced the Knights & ‘67s are more than top 6-7 playoff teams.

 

[analyser]

Their is a little difference between the 2 teams across the river from one and another. Gat has 10 NHL drafted players and 12 03 births. Ottawa on the other hand has 4 NHL drafted players and 5 03 players. It is obvious that Gatineau has really loaded up with experience and talent. I agree that the top 4 teams in the QMJHL look really strong.

 

[Bra Wavers]

It doesn’t matter how well you fiddle with the puck. Are you winning? Have the Petes done anything since acquiring Othmann? Sorry. They did actually go on a good win streak when he wasn’t in the lineup.

Just remember one thing. Multiple posters suggested the Petes could beat Ottawa in round 2. I am responding to that with recent stats and data to back up my argument that it is not realistic to assume the Petes will get further than round 2. I think they will win round one of they maintain their hold on 4th or 5th. This isn’t me trashing the Petes. I am just calling it like it is. Does it mean the PEtes can’t turn it al around like you are suggesting? No. They could. But why after 59 games will they suggest they could?

Playing well in losses to weak teams isn’t demonstrating capability of beating any of the top teams in a seven gamer. Beating Niagara 6-0 is like stealing Hallowe’en candy from primary school kids. Everyone is punching Niagara squarely in the face. Other wins against Oshawa, Kingston and Sudbury aren’t anything to use as a measuring stick either.

Ottawa gave up 12 shots in Kingston on Friday. They are garbage right now. Morrison out of the lineup and Boucher & Barlas didn’t finish the game. They rolled four lines all night and didn’t even put PP units out, just rolled lines. The level of competition Peterborough have played is not very good. That isn’t Peterborough’s fault though. The schedule is the schedule.

All I am saying is the Petes haven’t shown anything of consequence. And that is the for the entire year. It isn’t realistic to suggest wins against the lessor teams as evidence of a turnaround. IT is easy to look good when skating around pylons Half of the games.

I believe the Petes are playing possum and they are fooling lots of people.....you heard it here first!

 

[OMG67]

Stuff your scoreboard watching bs where the sun don’t shine. There is no conversation here. You cherry pick team we beat and conveniently leave out the fact that we shut out London and beat Windsor 6-2. Go back to the last game they played your all mighty 67’s and the Petes were just as good as the all mighty 67’s.

Now take you cherry picking bs somewhere else. Damn Ottawa fans are as bad as the Oshawa trolls.


All I read here is excuse exude excuse. Good teams adjust according to your buddy.

Now take the shitty sevens talk back to your own thread.

Ottawa has 11 regulation losses. Petes have 25. Ottawa’s goal differential is +95. Petes have a +39. Petes PP/PK differential is +1.6. Ottawa’s is +7.2.

Even poor teams beat strong teams. It happens. Erie beat both Ottawa and Peterborough at home in Erie. It happens.

The only meaningful way to measure a team is through results. Ya gotta win games. It is a results based business. Petes have won 6 games more than they have lost. Ottawa? 33.

To be clear, a couple posters suggested Ottawa was beatable compared to Barrie and North Bay. Did you say that? No. But, you responded to my argument that the Petes have not proven anything to date. No one in their right mind would suggest they have proven anything other than home team fans. That’s fine. But if you want to enter the discussion then come back with something better than, ”Have you watched their last 8 games?” Ottawa is 13-2-3 in their last 18. Only two losses are to a jacked up QMJHL team with 10 NHL Draft picks. Have you watched any of those 18 games? If you had, you’d notice that even with continued key players out of the lineup, they win games. Even when they don’t play particularly well, they find ways to win games Or at least come out with a point.

The difference between Ottawa and Peterborough, based on your comments, is even though Ottawa finds ways to win games they probably shouldn’t, Peterborough loses games they probably should win. That’s a pretty big difference. That points directly to character on the bench and in the room. You typically build character over the course of a season. You can’t just find a way to turn it on when it suits you.

Remember, my argument isn’t really with you. My argument is with those that are serious when they say they’d rather play Ottawa. AND that they can beat Ottawa. I presented my argument against that. If it offends you, then I suggest you grow thicker skin. This is a discussion board. Discuss. But come armed with something stronger than playing great in losses to poor teams.

 

[dirty12]

Their is a little difference between the 2 teams across the river from one and another. Gat has 10 NHL drafted players and 12 03 births. Ottawa on the other hand has 4 NHL drafted players and 5 03 players. It is obvious that Gatineau has really loaded up with experience and talent. I agree that the top 4 teams in the QMJHL look really strong.

Sarnia & NB have 8-9 NHL drafted or signed players each. The ‘67s have two ‘03 births drafted 10th overall. The Petes must have a dozen 2002-03 born and a handful of 2004. Among that vet laden roster are three NHL drafted by the first pick of round 2. The ‘67s moved 15 (2-4) picks for two players! They must have been among the very best available?
This is in a league that has almost always developed more pro players than the Q.
It seems like the other two leagues send away outrageous amounts of futures to load up, but it’s relative to the OHL imo because teams sending 3-1sts and prospects away recoup them the next year in the same way the OHL recoups their 1st pick and multiple 2-4 picks.
The dub conducts a bantam draft. How many of those players are in the league at 15; one in 10-20 years?

 

[analyser]

Sarnia & NB have 8-9 NHL drafted or signed players each. The ‘67s have two ‘03 births drafted 10th overall. The Petes must have a dozen 2002-03 born and a handful of 2004. Among that vet laden roster are three NHL drafted by the first pick of round 2. The ‘67s moved 15 (2-4) picks for two players! They must have been among the very best available?
This is in a league that has almost always developed more pro players than the Q.
It seems like the other two leagues send away outrageous amounts of futures to load up, but it’s relative to the OHL imo because teams sending 3-1sts and prospects away recoup them the next year in the same way the OHL recoups their 1st pick and multiple 2-4 picks.
The dub conducts a bantam draft. How many of those players are in the league at 15; one in 10-20 years?

The 67s have 2 03s drafted 10th overall and 1 has played a grand total of 21 games this season. Not much of a contributing factor.

I was referring to Gat only and they have much more experience and abundance of talent with the age group they have assembled. They are on a 15 and 0 streak right now.

Comparing to the rest of the O I think Ottawa has done very well with the young group of players they have.

 

[OMG67]

Sarnia & NB have 8-9 NHL drafted or signed players each. The ‘67s have two ‘03 births drafted 10th overall. The Petes must have a dozen 2002-03 born and a handful of 2004. Among that vet laden roster are three NHL drafted by the first pick of round 2. The ‘67s moved 15 (2-4) picks for two players! They must have been among the very best available?
This is in a league that has almost always developed more pro players than the Q.
It seems like the other two leagues send away outrageous amounts of futures to load up, but it’s relative to the OHL imo because teams sending 3-1sts and prospects away recoup them the next year in the same way the OHL recoups their 1st pick and multiple 2-4 picks.
The dub conducts a bantam draft. How many of those players are in the league at 15; one in 10-20 years?

The 67’s acquired the best player available at each of two positions. IMO, Mintyukov is probably the best player in the entire league. Morrison is “arguably” the best Centre in the league. You are 100% correct to say Ottawa made two elite additions.

IF we set Gatineau aside, even you have to admit that the 67’s aren’t what you would traditionally call a 100+ point OHL team. You can’t be serious when not at least considering that the OHL is in a down year when it comes to concentrated talent. The league usually has one or two teams you’d consider a bonafide front runner. We are having a conversation right now in this thread about a team 30 points back in the standings potentially beating that team in the playoffs. Does that alone not suggest we don’t have a bonafide champion this season?

From a parity perspective, you could make a solid argument that 6 different teams could win the championship and we’d clearly need to wait to the end to see what team is standing to determine what team that is. Since when does that ever happen in the OHL?

The OHL does not have an Elite team this year. Not by a long shot. The QMJHL And WHL each have two or three Elite teams because of their respective elite player acquisitions adding to teams that were already top 5-6 teams in the CHL.

I will stick up for the 67’s based on their standing in the league but a team that relies so heavily on 16 and 17 year olds should not be where they are right now. Either the elite players in the OHL aren’t all that elite or the teams holding them are too many.

EDIT: Sorry Petes fans. This particular diverted conversation shouldn’t be on the Petes thread. Sometimes discussions go off on a tangent. Thanks for being patient. Dirty and I will wrap it up! I promise.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

The 67’s acquired the best player available at each of two positions. IMO, Mintyukov is probably the best player in the entire league. Morrison is “arguably” the best Centre in the league. You are 100% correct to say Ottawa made two elite additions.

IF we set Gatineau aside, even you have to admit that the 67’s aren’t what you would traditionally call a 100+ point OHL team. You can’t be serious when not at least considering that the OHL is in a down year when it comes to concentrated talent. The league usually has one or two teams you’d consider a bonafide front runner. We are having a conversation right now in this thread about a team 30 points back in the standings potentially beating that team in the playoffs. Does that alone not suggest we don’t have a bonafide champion this season?

From a parity perspective, you could make a solid argument that 6 different teams could win the championship and we’d clearly need to wait to the end to see what team is standing to determine what team that is. Since when does that ever happen in the OHL?

The OHL does not have an Elite team this year. Not by a long shot. The QMJHL And WHL each have two or three Elite teams because of their respective elite player acquisitions adding to teams that were already top 5-6 teams in the CHL.

I will stick up for the 67’s based on their standing in the league but a team that relies so heavily on 16 and 17 year olds should not be where they are right now. Either the elite players in the OHL aren’t all that elite or the teams holding them are too many.

 

[NorthernVoice]

How do we escape the omg essays this time. Last time I literally just made up that bet on goals so he would stop the back and forth term papers (and it worked!). Someone else needs to step up this time.

 

[snipes29]

Congrats to Gavin White on signing his ELC with the Stars!

Gavin White Signs Entry-Level Contract with Dallas Stars – Peterborough Petes

Yes well done young man well deserved

 

[snipes29]

I think we can beat Ottawa -it’s NB I don’t want to play -we haven’t beaten them in years !

Agee

 

[snipes29]

If one of Avon or Robertson and any one of the other top 8, or two of Stillman, Lockhart, Hayes go down; the Petes are screwed.
If the Battalion are without Ertel and Petrov or Nelson, or two of Arnsby, Jackson, Zito plus a scoring winger; the Battalion are screwed.
If the ‘67s are without two of Beck, Morrison, Rohrer or one of the top 2C and one of Matier or Mintyukov; the ‘67s are screwed.
Barrie can’t lose either of Cardwell or Vierling.

True

 

[snipes29]

Along with other teams due to a double cohort, NB did pretty well having 11 (16-17) yr olds that were all rookies last year. But yeah the top teams were previously veteran laden for the most part.
The other two chl leagues have had fewer more loaded teams for years. That is not new.
I’m not convinced it’s a down year for the 5 birth years combined in the OHL. And despite great regular seasons, I’m not convinced the Knights & ‘67s are more than top 6-7 playoff teams.

Everyone is forgetting Sarnia they might be the team to beat

 

[snipes29]

Yeah, I don't love using the "3 in 3" excuse. This is the OHL. 3 in 3 is standard. It's the way the league works.

 

[dirty12]

The 67’s acquired the best player available at each of two positions. IMO, Mintyukov is probably the best player in the entire league. Morrison is “arguably” the best Centre in the league. You are 100% correct to say Ottawa made two elite additions.

IF we set Gatineau aside, even you have to admit that the 67’s aren’t what you would traditionally call a 100+ point OHL team. You can’t be serious when not at least considering that the OHL is in a down year when it comes to concentrated talent. The league usually has one or two teams you’d consider a bonafide front runner. We are having a conversation right now in this thread about a team 30 points back in the standings potentially beating that team in the playoffs. Does that alone not suggest we don’t have a bonafide champion this season?

From a parity perspective, you could make a solid argument that 6 different teams could win the championship and we’d clearly need to wait to the end to see what team is standing to determine what team that is. Since when does that ever happen in the OHL?

The OHL does not have an Elite team this year. Not by a long shot. The QMJHL And WHL each have two or three Elite teams because of their respective elite player acquisitions adding to teams that were already top 5-6 teams in the CHL.

I will stick up for the 67’s based on their standing in the league but a team that relies so heavily on 16 and 17 year olds should not be where they are right now. Either the elite players in the OHL aren’t all that elite or the teams holding them are too many.

EDIT: Sorry Petes fans. This particular diverted conversation shouldn’t be on the Petes thread. Sometimes discussions go off on a tangent. Thanks for being patient. Dirty and I will wrap it up! I promise.

I thought you meant it was a down year [talent wise (96 - 63 drafted players over the 3 draft elegible years)])for the OHL compared to the QMJHL.
I actually think the OHL is more concentrated at the top than normal with Sarnia, NB, Windsor, Ottawa, and Peterborough adding a lot; and Barrie adding Savard & Hache along with the return of Clarke. (1.81 pts/g, +1.16/g)

Everyone is forgetting Sarnia they might be the team to beat

I think Sarnia & NB have the best playoff rosters.

 

[Bra Wavers]

How do we escape the omg essays this time. Last time I literally just made up that bet on goals so he would stop the back and forth term papers (and it worked!). Someone else needs to step up this time.

Ok I'll give this a shot......everyone else just follow my lead here and play along.

I agree @OMG67, you are totally right.

 

[OMG67]

How do we escape the omg essays this time. Last time I literally just made up that bet on goals so he would stop the back and forth term papers (and it worked!). Someone else needs to step up this time.

If you don’t like discussion on discussion boards, go read internet articles and reflect alone with your thoughts.

There is also a mute function. If you don’t have any interest in what I have to say then just click it.

 

[OMG67]

Everyone is forgetting Sarnia they might be the team to beat

A lot have teams have beaten them easily over the last few weeks so they may very well be the team to beat….

They are similar to Peterborough in their consistency. World beaters one game, lose to Erie the next.

 

[Square Corners]

A lot have teams have beaten them easily over the last few weeks so they may very well be the team to beat….

They are similar to Peterborough in their consistency. World beaters one game, lose to Erie the next.

The only team to beat them in the last 3 weeks is London. Dont let facts get in the way of a good story tho!

You might be getting them confuised with you when you lost to Oshawa

 

[OMG67]

The only team to beat them in the last 3 weeks is London. Dont let facts get in the way of a good story tho!

You might be getting them confuised with you when you lost to Oshawa

I was referencing their streaky nature. Weak Eastern and Northern trips. Not great against the stronger competition. Losses to London twice and Ottawa twice since the deadline.

The top 5 or 6 teams are generally winning games post deadline, as they should. A lot of the competition is weak after sell offs. Kitchener and Peterborough are the two deadline buyer teams that have been average. The other buyers are well above .500 post deadline.

With Sarnia’s acquisitions, I’d have assumed they’d have gained a little better against the top teams if in fact some suggest they are the playoff team to beat in the West.

Ottawa is 13-2-3 over their last 18 games. I’m not confusing Sarnia with Ottawa.

 

[Bra Wavers]

So…..the PETES have a home and home with Kingston coming up.
Zhigalov and Vaccari have played well against the Petes at times this year…..I hope they don’t get goalied this week.