Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 3)

[beastintheeast]

The Colts are 11 pts up with 10 games to go; they are not being caught.
The ‘67s are a better matchup for the Petes than Battalion or Colts imo.

I was going to ask what happened to this team as I thought it was supposed to be a powerhouse but you guys seem to think it is a great team.

As to talking about the Colts Barrie or NB I think you're overlooking the fact that you have not locked up home ice yet and that you are not that far from falling to 7th place.

 

[OMG67]

I was going to ask what happened to this team as I thought it was supposed to be a powerhouse but you guys seem to think it is a great team.

As to talking about the Colts Barrie or NB I think you're overlooking the fact that you have not locked up home ice yet and that you are not that far from falling to 7th place.

Dirty is a Sudbury fan. Don't confuse him as a Petes fan. Dirty is only stating his opinion from the outside looking in.

IMO, the Petes either have some sort of coaching system issue that is hurting the team in general or they have a lack of leadership and don’t have the drive it takes to compete consistently. Maybe a combination of the two.

The one thing I think EVERYONE can agree on is they certainly have enough talent to compete with the top of the league. Translating that talent into consistent performance should be the coaches job. I sort of lean on the coaching being an issue.

I’ve poked fun at the top heavy lineup and I think that will get exposed the deeper they go into the playoffs but that can only happen if the top heavy side do their part in round one. Right now, I am not convinced it will be the cakewalk some seem to think it will be.

 

[dirty12]

Gotta get past the first round. It must be nice to have a losing record post deadline and you look at the first round as a bye for the Petes.

I don’t recall posting anything about 1st round byes, just the Petes are not catching the Colts and the ‘67s seem a better match up than the Colts and especially the Battslion.

 

[dirty12]

Dirty is a Sudbury fan. Don't confuse him as a Petes fan. Dirty is only stating his opinion from the outside looking in.

IMO, the Petes either have some sort of coaching system issue that is hurting the team in general or they have a lack of leadership and don’t have the drive it takes to compete consistently. Maybe a combination of the two.

The one thing I think EVERYONE can agree on is they certainly have enough talent to compete with the top of the league. Translating that talent into consistent performance should be the coaches job. I sort of lean on the coaching being an issue.

I’ve poked fun at the top heavy lineup and I think that will get exposed the deeper they go into the playoffs but that can only happen if the top heavy side do their part in round one. Right now, I am not convinced it will be the cakewalk some seem to think it will be.

I’ve mostly seen bits of Petes games during intermissions of Battalion & Colts games and probable high scoring affairs or the top teams facing off. What I have seen is some Petes shooting from predictable places a little further out than ideal when a game planned zone D is used against them. The Petes have made some goalies of weaker teams look stellar imo.
Here’s the thing about being top heavy, the Petes can play 3 lines all day long at an advantage over teams stretching out the bottom six spreading younger, smaller, not as fast players.
Other than a fully healthy Battalion team, I just don’t see a roster capable of rolling four lines for the majority of games in rounds 2-3-4

 

[Zebra]

I am starting to think that the Petes do not do any pre game scouting on the opposition.
Seems like there is zero preparation and our lads are not prepared to face other teams.

I think all our opponents study our team and have a ready solution to counter Avon, Tucker etc
The opposition always seem to know our set plays and how to take them apart.

But the Petes are consistently unprepared for other teams -like no homework has been done at all. We don’t offer a counter plays to the opposition’s set plays because we don’t what they are

We don’t know how to play against the other teams -we don’t alter our style to defeat the other team -we just play our game and hope for the best.

 

[dirty12]

I am starting to think that the Petes do not do any pre game scouting on the opposition.
Seems like there is zero preparation and our lads are not prepared to face other teams.

I think all our opponents study our team and have a ready solution to counter Avon, Tucker etc
The opposition always seem to know our set plays and how to take them apart.

But the Petes are consistently unprepared for other teams -like no homework has been done at all. We don’t offer a counter plays to the opposition’s set plays because we don’t what they are

We don’t know how to play against the other teams -we don’t alter our style to defeat the other team -we just play our game and hope for the best.

The better team should play to its strength and the weaker team adjust just to keep the game close enough to win. The ‘67s and to a lesser extent Battalion & Colts do not alter their game for any team. Did you see the 0-0 & 1-1 draws between nearly exact styles of London & Ottawa?
Are the Petes playing to their strength and fighting through adversity for grade A scoring chances; I am not sure that they are. A handful of times post deadline, I’ve seen the ‘67s barely hang in a close game then Morrison or Mintyukov (calmly) slip into a soft spot for a timely goal and go on to win. Hayes, Othmann, Stillman just take the shot even though they were forced a couple of feet from their danger zone.
It sure looks like some of the Petes are feeling the pressure to score. Hopefully, they can be a bit more relaxed at playoff time and not force it so much.

 

[Section5Petes]

I'm giving the Petes the benefit of the doubt here. 3rd game in 3 nights and no doubt tired after firing 125 shots over the first 2 games and being in control. Until last night's game they have played really well and look to be finding there stride

 

[dirty12]

I'm giving the Petes the benefit of the doubt here. 3rd game in 3 nights and no doubt tired after firing 125 shots over the first 2 games and being in control. Until last night's game they have played really well and look to be finding there stride

The Petes are getting better, I agree.
But I switched to that game last night with the Petes down one and (8:42?) left to play. I believe the Petes let a game should have won (odds are colts or ‘67s would have) slip away by rushing the many decent enough looking open shots (that Erie gave them) rather than Othmann-Stillman using the ample time to control the boards until Hayes or a D crept into a soft spot or an opening to the net appeared.
More often than not, it would take a third player to stop an Othmann-Stillman cycle leaving a Pete truly open.

 

[OMG67]

I’ve mostly seen bits of Petes games during intermissions of Battalion & Colts games and probable high scoring affairs or the top teams facing off. What I have seen is some Petes shooting from predictable places a little further out than ideal when a game planned zone D is used against them. The Petes have made some goalies of weaker teams look stellar imo.
Here’s the thing about being top heavy, the Petes can play 3 lines all day long at an advantage over teams stretching out the bottom six spreading younger, smaller, not as fast players.
Other than a fully healthy Battalion team, I just don’t see a roster capable of rolling four lines for the majority of games in rounds 2-3-4

You do need 3 lines and players on your 4th line that can drill up the lineup when an injury happens. Depth isn’t only about pretty faces sitting in the middle of the bench unused. It is about having the flexibility to endure times when things aren’t going your way.

You can only mix things up so much when you have seven forwards and five other guys thrown around them.

 

[dirty12]

You do need 3 lines and players on your 4th line that can drill up the lineup when an injury happens. Depth isn’t only about pretty faces sitting in the middle of the bench unused. It is about having the flexibility to endure times when things aren’t going your way.

You can only mix things up so much when you have seven forwards and five other guys thrown around them.

For the final standings after 68 regular season games, 4th liners that can occasionally play in the top 9 helps.
A couple of key injuries in a 7 game series beyond round 1 means near certain elimination, for any team imo.

You do need 3 lines and players on your 4th line that can drill up the lineup when an injury happens. Depth isn’t only about pretty faces sitting in the middle of the bench unused. It is about having the flexibility to endure times when things aren’t going your way.

You can only mix things up so much when you have seven forwards and five other guys thrown around them.

For the final standings after 68 regular season games, 4th liners that can occasionally play in the top 9 helps.
A couple of key injuries in a 7 game series beyond round 1 means near certain elimination, for any team imo.

 

[OMG67]

For the final standings after 68 regular season games, 4th liners that can occasionally play in the top 9 helps.
A couple of key injuries in a 7 game series beyond round 1 means near certain elimination.


For the final standings after 68 regular season games, 4th liners that can occasionally play in the top 9 helps.
A couple of key injuries in a 7 game series beyond round 1 means near certain elimination.

Possibly but if you have depth and strong defence, you can endure. Peterborough has neither. If one of their top 4-5 forwards go down, they are screwed. I’m not sure you can say the same about North Bay or Ottawa who have played much of the season short at least one key forward.

 

[OMG67]

Peterborough has done nothing this year other than disappoint. To me it is shocking. I had them as the Conference Champs going into the season.

Now a discussion has broken out suggesting Ottawa, a team 30 points ahead of them in the standings, would be a more favourable matchup in round 2.

Considering getting out of round one will be difficult, any discussion about round 2 prospects is premature.

Ottawa is 13-0-3 in their last 16 games against OHL teams. We’ll conveniently toss out the two games against Gatineau to make the stats look better but no other OHL teams play QMJHL teams.

I’m not sure any team in the OHL is looking at the 67s and seriously thinking they are the preferred team to match up against. At least not when it is Conference Final Four. Maybe a team like London would prefer to play Ottawa over North Bay in a Final but other than that scenario, I can guarantee you no one is thinking about it as favourable.

 

[Square Corners]

Considering getting out of round one will be difficult, any discussion about round 2 prospects is premature.

No bottom 4 team can even see game 6 against teh Petes in round 1. And then after that I'd love Ott in round 2. Our big Dmen would dominate Pinelli/Rohrer/Beck. Boucher isnt carrying you

 

[OMG67]

No bottom 4 team can even see game 6 against teh Petes in round 1. And then after that I'd love Ott in round 2. Our big Dmen would dominate Pinelli/Rohrer/Beck. Boucher isnt carrying you

LOL. Ok.

Win round one and you get your chance.

 

[dirty12]

Possibly but if you have depth and strong defence, you can endure. Peterborough has neither. If one of their top 4-5 forwards go down, they are screwed. I’m not sure you can say the same about North Bay or Ottawa who have played much of the season short at least one key forward.

If one of Avon or Robertson and any one of the other top 8, or two of Stillman, Lockhart, Hayes go down; the Petes are screwed.
If the Battalion are without Ertel and Petrov or Nelson, or two of Arnsby, Jackson, Zito plus a scoring winger; the Battalion are screwed.
If the ‘67s are without two of Beck, Morrison, Rohrer or one of the top 2C and one of Matier or Mintyukov; the ‘67s are screwed.
Barrie can’t lose either of Cardwell or Vierling.

 

[analyser]

No bottom 4 team can even see game 6 against teh Petes in round 1. And then after that I'd love Ott in round 2. Our big Dmen would dominate Pinelli/Rohrer/Beck. Boucher isnt carrying you

Who says the Pete's remain in the top 4 if they keep playing the way they have been lately. Where is all the domination by the D when playing bottom feeder teams? Let's face it they are underachieving for some time but not a lot has changed to rectify the situation.

 

[Section5Petes]

Who says the Pete's remain in the top 4 if they keep playing the way they have been lately. Where is all the domination by the D when playing bottom feeder teams? Let's face it they are underachieving for some time but not a lot has changed to rectify the situation.

If they keep playing the way they have been playing lately in these past 6-7 games then they will be totally fine. All the outsiders of course trying to discount that after losing to the Otters. Outside of last night you obviously haven’t watched how they have improved lately. No one is disagreeing that this team has underachieved this season based off how much talent they have but this last stretch of games is finally looking to show that they are turning a corner. One game and the final of a 3 in 3 isn’t going to change that

 

[ptbopete]

Last night vs Erie I didn't see the speed we saw with the Petes against Saginaw and Niagara. Sure 3 in 3 is going to cause some fatigue but it begs some questions about the teams' preparedness for the Erie game. That's on the coaches to be sure but almost all of these guys have been in the league for minimally three years now and they know they have to ready to go in every game. .

Feet weren't moving and there were just straight up bad passes and giveaways, one leading to an Erie goal. And could someone please work with Avon on his breakaway chances?

 

[OMG67]

If they keep playing the way they have been playing lately in these past 6-7 games then they will be totally fine. All the outsiders of course trying to discount that after losing to the Otters. Outside of last night you obviously haven’t watched how they have improved lately. No one is disagreeing that this team has underachieved this season based off how much talent they have but this last stretch of games is finally looking to show that they are turning a corner. One game and the final of a 3 in 3 isn’t going to change that

The Petes are 5-5 over their last ten games. Eight of the teams they played in that stretch sold off at the deadline. Only Ottawa and Windsor were teams with a winning reputation. You can’t beat up Niagara, Sudbury, Kingston, and Oshawa and expect to get any real respect when you then lose to Erie.

Petes got goalied against Saginaw. It happens. That game can be swept under the rug. No issues there. But, the problem is the Petes need to beat the weak teams more consistently. They need to go on longer stretches of giving up 2 or less goals against. As an outsider, I see a lot of random results. This makes it hard when they have a 4 or 5 game stretch of quality play and consider that potentially turning it around because they’ve had a lot of 4-5 game stretches. Then they follow that up with 4-5 game stretches where the look lost.

The Petes are on the same cycle of short stretches of good play followed by short stretches of poor play and poor results. That is no real different thant he teams they are bunched up with. I would consider the Petes the favourites against Missy, Hamilton and Sudbury (all within 5 points in the standings). But, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Petes were to lose against any of those teams in a 4-5 matchup.

Petes don’t have an easy schedule to finish up. 6 of 9 on the road. Two against Missy, two against Ottawa, one against Sudbury and one against North Bay. Four of those on the road. In fairness, Missy has a similar schedule. So, to me, it looks like the head to head matches against Missy are the circled games on the schedule.

 

[Section7fan]

All these extremely arrogant Ottawa fans make me want to vomit. They haven’t met expectation but you clearly haven’t watched the last 7-8 games because the chemistry is starting to show.

You also think you’re the cats meow but you got absolutely manhandled by Gat and they aren’t even the top team in the Q.

 

[Section7fan]

If they keep playing the way they have been playing lately in these past 6-7 games then they will be totally fine. All the outsiders of course trying to discount that after losing to the Otters. Outside of last night you obviously haven’t watched how they have improved lately. No one is disagreeing that this team has underachieved this season based off how much talent they have but this last stretch of games is finally looking to show that they are turning a corner. One game and the final of a 3 in 3 isn’t going to change that

THIS! They’re all high mighty and condescending but clearly haven’t been actually watching games.

 

[OMG67]

All these extremely arrogant Ottawa fans make me want to vomit. They haven’t met expectation but you clearly haven’t watched the last 7-8 games because the chemistry is starting to show.

You also think you’re the cats meow but you got absolutely manhandled by Gat and they aren’t even the top team in the Q.

Then show it by beating some teams other than Niagara, and Oshawa. Peterborough is under .500 since the trade deadline. I’m not judging Peterborough by anything other than their performance. Go win some games against the stronger teams more regularly and the team will get respect. Heck, start by winning games against middling teams on a regular basis.

If the only thing you have against Ottawa is they lost back to back against a team in the Q that traded three 1st round picks and players to bulk up in a league that makes the OHL look like Kindergarten for a trade deadline, then so be it. The reality is the OHL is in a weak cycle right now. IT explains why a team like Ottawa with TEN 16 and 17 year olds on the roster being used regularly lead the league. Six OHLers on Team Canada and two weren’t in the league prior to the Tourney (Wright and Clarke). Only 7 OHL players picked in the first two rounds of the 2021 draft (not including MacT who is playing Pro). The OHL is weak and it shows in almost every metric you can look at. But, hey, Ottawa’s only two regulation losses over the last 18 games came against a team ranked top 10 in the country. All this while still heavily battling injuries.

I’m not the one that suggested that going up against a team 30 points ahead of them in the standings is preferential in round two when you aren’t even a lock to get out of round one. You are calling me arrogant? For real? You don’t think it is arrogant for the Petes to look past round one and call on Ottawa as the easier team in round 2? Pot…Kettle….Black…. At least the 67’s have something to be arrogant about.

 

[dirty12]

Then show it by beating some teams other than Niagara, and Oshawa. Peterborough is under .500 since the trade deadline. I’m not judging Peterborough by anything other than their performance. Go win some games against the stronger teams more regularly and the team will get respect. Heck, start by winning games against middling teams on a regular basis.

If the only thing you have against Ottawa is they lost back to back against a team in the Q that traded three 1st round picks and players to bulk up in a league that makes the OHL look like Kindergarten for a trade deadline, then so be it. The reality is the OHL is in a weak cycle right now. IT explains why a team like Ottawa with TEN 16 and 17 year olds on the roster being used regularly lead the league. Six OHLers on Team Canada and two weren’t in the league prior to the Tourney (Wright and Clarke). Only 7 OHL players picked in the first two rounds of the 2021 draft (not including MacT who is playing Pro). The OHL is weak and it shows in almost every metric you can look at. But, hey, Ottawa’s only two regulation losses over the last 18 games came against a team ranked top 10 in the country. All this while still heavily battling injuries.

I’m not the one that suggested that going up against a team 30 points ahead of them in the standings is preferential in round two when you aren’t even a lock to get out of round one. You are calling me arrogant? For real? You don’t think it is arrogant for the Petes to look past round one and call on Ottawa as the easier team in round 2? Pot…Kettle….Black…. At least the 67’s have something to be arrogant about.

Of players waived through the O, many go to the Q. Of those waived through the Q, very few end up in the O.

You claim the OHL is in a weak cycle compared to the Q, but …

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That pretty much covers those most affected by COVID and all chl players old enough to have been drafted.

 

[Section7fan]

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Then show it by beating some teams other than Niagara, and Oshawa. Peterborough is under .500 since the trade deadline. I’m not judging Peterborough by anything other than their performance. Go win some games against the stronger teams more regularly and the team will get respect. Heck, start by winning games against middling teams on a regular basis.

If the only thing you have against Ottawa is they lost back to back against a team in the Q that traded three 1st round picks and players to bulk up in a league that makes the OHL look like Kindergarten for a trade deadline, then so be it. The reality is the OHL is in a weak cycle right now. IT explains why a team like Ottawa with TEN 16 and 17 year olds on the roster being used regularly lead the league. Six OHLers on Team Canada and two weren’t in the league prior to the Tourney (Wright and Clarke). Only 7 OHL players picked in the first two rounds of the 2021 draft (not including MacT who is playing Pro). The OHL is weak and it shows in almost every metric you can look at. But, hey, Ottawa’s only two regulation losses over the last 18 games came against a team ranked top 10 in the country. All this while still heavily battling injuries.

I’m not the one that suggested that going up against a team 30 points ahead of them in the standings is preferential in round two when you aren’t even a lock to get out of round one. You are calling me arrogant? For real? You don’t think it is arrogant for the Petes to look past round one and call on Ottawa as the easier team in round 2? Pot…Kettle….Black…. At least the 67’s have something to be arrogant about.

There’s no point in having a conversation because you can’t base your opinion on scoreboard watching. Go back and watch the last seven or eight games and then come back and talk.

At what point have I been talking about the Petes walking through the first round? Hmmm take a read back and come tell me.

And that is the only thing I have to comment on the 67’s because that’s their only game I’ve watched since before the trade deadline. I don’t scoreboard watch and then go shit talk and act all high and mighty in another teams thread.

 

[Bra Wavers]

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