Peter Holland

[Crispy Crust]

This just in: bozak doesn't suck

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

 

[leafstilldeath*]

If Holland is not getting top 6 mins I would be pretty pissed with Carlyle. Either give him those mins or ship him to the minors where he gets to play often. do not press box him

 

[ALEXJD93]

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in a multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

BINGO! Exactly my thoughts summed up

 

[Gallagbi]

I thought playing with Kessel and JVR a fire hydrant could be a PPG player playing with them. Not this week if this weeks game are an indication, when it is a true test.

According to who? I've never said anything close to that.

You didn't answer my question

 

[Mikeyg]

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in a multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

bozak is this teams 1c, deal with it. There are plenty of other teams where he would be a top 6 forward as well, just because you dont like the guy, doesnt mean hes trash, he is a very decent player who can score anywhere between 45-65 points a year, hes great in shootouts and for what its worth, he is a good pk'er. Just because he doesnt create as much self offence for himself, doesnt mean he isnt a top 6 player

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You're using extremely small sample size as your basis citing plus minus once again, not worth an actual reply

Obcourse when it doesn't fit your argument you choose to ignore factual stats by saying small sample size or these stats are bad stats. Maybe we should wipe out Holland's game yesterday or all of last week's games because you think. ahem. It's too small a sample size.

For some last week's games are telling of what we miss, who we miss, and what we are missing to get to the next level.

 

[Hurt]

Cut the crap. Critique the POST not the POSTER or you will be removed from the thread.

 

[leafstilldeath*]

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

Every time I see bozo on the PP unit I cringe. His fanboys have only these things to say:

1. He is good on FOs
2. He is good defensively

qualities that signal a checking center NOT a top 6C.

Kadri and Holland as a 1-2 punch I like. With Bolland, if he resigns with us, there is no place for Bozo on this team.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

According to who? I've never said anything close to that.

You didn't answer my question

Fire away again, what exactly is your question?

 

[namttebih]

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

This pretty much sums it up. I think that he's slightly better defensively than you give him credit for though.

 

[ALEXJD93]

bozak is this teams 1c, deal with it. There are plenty of other teams where he would be a top 6 forward as well, just because you dont like the guy, doesnt mean hes trash, he is a very decent player who can score anywhere between 45-65 points a year, hes great in shootouts and for what its worth, he is a good pk'er. Just because he doesnt create as much self offence for himself, doesnt mean he isnt a top 6 player

25-50 points, and that's with Kessel, using him in the role Smithson was used this year would be where he is most effective. Name another team that has a shot in the playoffs where he would be a top 6 player

 

[pooleboy]

He isn't a top 6 C, and he isn't great defensively either. He would probably provide enough offense in a 3rd line role, but his defensive game would most likely negate that. In actuality, Bozak appears to be more and more like a role/specialist type player. A guy you can probably play on your bottom two lines and have him take some key faceoffs in multiple situations (ES and PK). That type of player is probably worth $2-2.5M on a short term contract not a long-term deal that pays him $4.25M.

i completely agree. 3rd line center, take faceoffs and get off the ice.

 

[Gallagbi]

Fire away again, what exactly is your question?

You missed another in that response

According to who? I've never said anything close to that.

So you would agree that comparing Kadri with Smith and Holland behind him to Bozak with Kadri and Bolland is unfair to Kadri?

Maybe this should be moved to the Bozak thread? There's a good breakdown of production there

 

[leafstilldeath*]

bozak is this teams 1c, deal with it. There are plenty of other teams where he would be a top 6 forward as well, just because you dont like the guy, doesnt mean hes trash, he is a very decent player who can score anywhere between 45-65 points a year, hes great in shootouts and for what its worth, he is a good pk'er. Just because he doesnt create as much self offence for himself, doesnt mean he isnt a top 6 player

Bozak is a career 0.58 ppg and has not even cracked 20 goals playing top line mins and top unit PP

His ass will be shipped if Bolland and McClement sign with us.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You missed another in that response

I am not sure what you are asking, just spit it out. I don't answer riddles.

 

[snizzbone*]

Bozak doesn't really excel at anything but he does not look out of place on our top line whatsoever. He can fill that role. I like our top line with him on it more than I do with Kadri/anyone else on our lineup.

 

[ALEXJD93]

Obcourse when it doesn't fit your argument you choose to ignore factual stats by saying small sample size or these stats are bad stats. Maybe we should wipe out Holland's game yesterday or all of last week's games because you think. ahem. It's too small a sample size.

For some last week's games are telling of what we miss, who we miss, and what we are missing to get to the next level.

You've ignored every stat I've thrown out there, but when I choose to ignore one (that has been deemed useless by many people who know what their talking about) it's wrong, I see.

 

[Gallagbi]

I am not sure what you are asking, just spit it out. I don't answer riddles.

It's right there

 

[Mikeyg]

25-50 points, and that's with Kessel, using him in the role Smithson was used this year would be where he is most effective. Name another team that has a shot in the playoffs where he would be a top 6 player

If you think bozak is a 25 point player... that's just disrespectful, you are not acknowledging that he is this teams number one centre, that is not my problem, that is your problem.

 

[ALEXJD93]

Just want to say the BOZAK/KADRI debate is relevant to Holland, because if Bozak moves back to the top line, Holland is out of the top 6

 

[Mikeyg]

Bozak is a career 0.58 ppg and has not even cracked 20 goals playing top line mins and top unit PP

His ass will be shipped if Bolland and McClement sign with us.

so is J staal, is he not a top 6 center either?

 

[ALEXJD93]

If you think bozak is a 25 point player... that's just disrespectful, you are not acknowledging that he is this teams number one centre, that is not my problem, that is your problem.

32 points in 82 games as first line center in 2010/2011, a little outdated and maybe even a little bit low but the guy never scored 50 points and you're slotting him in for atleast 45 - 65? who's reaching?

 

[AustonMitchWilly]

I think a Bozak-Kulemin-Clarkson line would be very effective.

21-43-81
12-24-19
41-42-71
38-Bolland #?-29

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You've ignored every stat I've thrown out there, but when I choose to ignore one (that has been deemed useless by many people who know what their talking about) it's wrong, I see.

One more time, you said Kadri was better defensively than Bozak on the Kessel/JVR line.

When everyone was salivating Kadri being put on the top line, where some said a fire hydrant could play with Kessel and JVR,

Kadri's line scores only 2 goals in 4 games last week and is on the ice for 7 goals against good solid teams.

Now I am asking you nicely, to back up your statement in light of their play last week, where as most recently as last night most will agree they were not even the top 2 lines for us in a 7-3 drubbing.

 

[leafstilldeath*]

so is J staal, is he not a top 6 center either?

Are you kidding me? Did you know where did J Staal play most of his career? And on which line? If you do then you know how stupid that post is