Peter Holland

[ALEXJD93]

With non-replies like this one, I wonder Why-did-I-join this forum? Not getting anywhere with getting answers of your claims here.

How did I not answer your question? I was at the game against L.A. (what many people called possibly their best game of the season in a loss) and you're citing his plus minus? Not to mention they had more jump then you would ever see with Bozak down the middle, they played great in both ends that night, in STL not so much, same can be said for whole team, Last night they looked fine IMO nothing special, can't rely on them every single night though, if I took stretches of Bozaks play that fit my argument there would be plenty, but I don't use 4 game sample sizes

 

[leafstilldeath*]

4 or 3 C on a team like LA or other contending team. 2C like a last place team like FLA. 1C on the Leafs. Good

Well played sir. lol

 

[Mikeyg]

It's what you implied? Florida was a terrible team that whole stretch, and even then he didn't play on the first line, which is my argument, if you wanna put him on the second line go ahead, i'd be fine with that.

No, its not what I am implying at all, stop trying to make more fights and arguments

 

[Mikeyg]

Bozak is not a top 6C and will never be the top 6C on any team unless he plays on the leafs.
Bozak has never played in a top6 role with others beside Kessel. Its always Kessel. Why not put bozo on another line if he is a top6 C? lol. Even coaching staff isn't stupid enough to put him on the ice without kessel.

I am not the only one discrediting him here have a look:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1556769

You have to control for bozo fanboys on this thread and you will see. FYI have a look at post 65 on pg 3 of this thread to get a more detailed answer of why bozo is not a top 6C.

Tyler bozak is the 1c for the Toronto Maple Leafs, that is all that needs to be said, you can manipulate statistics in any way to make them support your claim, all it comes down too, he is the number 1 c here

 

[ALEXJD93]

No, its not what I am implying at all, stop trying to make more fights and arguments

FINE, I agree with you that who is top 6 is subjective for teams, but my whole point is KADRI IS #1 regardless if you consider Bozak a top 6C (which I don't) he isn't a no1, on this team, Kadri is

 

[Crispy Crust]

It's what you implied? Florida was a terrible team that whole stretch, and even then he didn't play on the first line, which is my argument, if you wanna put him on the second line go ahead, i'd be fine with that.

Yup. It's interesting that he brings up Goc though.

Marcel Goc is a 29 year old, German born center for the Florida Panthers. He stands at 6'1" and 197 pounds. Goc is a 10 goal, 30 point guy who can win faceoffs and play a defensive role in a tough minutes situation and put up some excellent possession numbers. And he possesses a skill that many fans value heavily, he's good at faceoffs.

Goc is in the final year of a 3yr/5.1M deal that pays him 1.7M annually to do the above. A somewhat similar comparable that is making pennies with respect to Bozak.

 

[Gallagbi]

I never said a fire hydrant could play with Kessel and JVR, this was said by other posters. Not sure where you read this. You may want to use common sense when you read my posts and know the context of the history of the Bozak naysayers saying a fire hydrant could score a PPG pace (better) than Bozak can. Again, disregarding defence counts as much as offence in hockey.

This is why you make me laugh. I never made the bold claim and I know you don't think that, so why use that in a response to me? It looks like you assumed I was a hater and it backfired or you got lost and had nothing else to fall back on other than an irrelevant claim that has nothing to do with my comment.

As for insulations, Bozak when he played his best hockey of the season back from his hamstring injury never had Bolland as insulation, certainly not against Pittsburg against Crosby when it would usually be Bolland against Crosby. We know Bozak's line head to head was +9 and scored 4 times that game against Crosby.

We're cherry picking single games now? That was his best game, I wouldn't consider it "his best hockey" (usually refer to a stretch of a few games) when they were lit up the night before against CLB.

Now if you want to make a point, Kadri doesn't have Bolland or Bozak to insulate him, yes, I will agree, this is why I have long stated Kadri misses Bozak. He insulates him from top pairings like Doughty and Chara, and it showed this week in that line's play.

So Kadri's time on the top line is at a disadvantage due to the injuries.

 

[Mikeyg]

4 or 3 C on a team like LA or other contending team. 2C like a last place team like FLA. 1C on the Leafs. Good

I really could not care less if you like bozak or not, hes going to be the 1c here for at least 2-3 more years whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

 

[ALEXJD93]

Tyler bozak is the 1c for the Toronto Maple Leafs, that is all that needs to be said, you can manipulate statistics in any way to make them support your claim, all it comes down too, he is the number 1 c here

Remember when you ACTUALLY manipulated a stat earlier? Not attacking you, still you're argument, but you claim I am manipulating when you literally made one up earlier

 

[Mikeyg]

FINE, I agree with you that who is top 6 is subjective for teams, but my whole point is KADRI IS #1 regardless if you consider Bozak a top 6C (which I don't) he isn't a no1, on this team, Kadri is

weve been over this twice now, kadri is the best center, bozak is on the top line, there is nothing else to say

 

[leafstilldeath*]

Tyler bozak is the 1c for the Toronto Maple Leafs, that is all that needs to be said, you can manipulate statistics in any way to make them support your claim, all it comes down too, he is the number 1 c here

And that is what has to change. bozo is the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen in a top6 role. The sooner the coaching staff and management realize it the better it will be "here".

 

[ALEXJD93]

weve been over this twice now, kadri is the best center, bozak is on the top line, there is nothing else to say

So you think Kadri is better, but you also think Bozak should continue with the #1 scoring line for defensive and chemistry purposes, this is basically what you think, right?

 

[namttebih]

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This is NOT what I am implying at all, players would be on different lines based on being on different teams based on depth, thats all im saying

Listen, I fully understand what you are trying to say, I just totally disagree. Bozak shouldn't be in our top six based on depth with Bolland in our lineup. If anything you should use your argument with a player like Bolland. On a champion like the Hawks, Bolland was 3 on the depth chart. On a team like the Leafs he is close to first on the chart. I would much rather keep Kadri in the 1Cspot and by default keep Holland at 2C at least for a longer tryout. Therefore at this point one could argue that with a healthy lineup, Bozak could be 4th in the depth chart. This is a good thing

 

[leafstilldeath*]

Yup. It's interesting that he brings up Goc though.



Goc is in the final year of a 3yr/5.1M deal that pays him 1.7M annually to do the above. A somewhat similar comparable that is making pennies with respect to Bozak.

Sometimes I have this urge of smacking nonis on the head to see if his brains are still active. Seriously.

3 yr 5 mill deal Vs 5 year 20 mil deal for similar players (bozo doesn't have any possession skills)

Its just so frustrating seriously worthy

 

[namttebih]

Tyler bozak is the 1c for the Toronto Maple Leafs, that is all that needs to be said, you can manipulate statistics in any way to make them support your claim, all it comes down too, he is the number 1 c here

As long as he is, we will be going nowhere.

 

[Mikeyg]

Remember when you ACTUALLY manipulated a stat earlier? Not attacking you, still you're argument, but you claim I am manipulating when you literally made one up earlier

I READ it wrong, there is still no difference in 30 to 40 percent, they are both statistically significant either way

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This is why you make me laugh. I never made the bold claim and I know you don't think that, so why use that in a response to me? It looks like you assumed I was a hater and it backfired or you got lost and had nothing else to fall back on other than an irrelevant claim that has nothing to do with my comment.


We're cherry picking single games now? That was his best game, I wouldn't consider it "his best hockey" (usually refer to a stretch of a few games) when they were lit up the night before against CLB.

So Kadri's time on the top line is at a disadvantage due to the injuries.

No offence, but you are the most confusing poster on this forum, I am lost to what we are talking about and I think you are at times too.

Just for the record, this team has been disadvantaged by injuries all year, all players have been affected, not only select players you choose to protect.

 

[Mikeyg]

And that is what has to change. bozo is the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen in a top6 role. The sooner the coaching staff and management realize it the better it will be "here".

Unfortunately for you, they dont see it this way and it will never happen, they believe in chemistry a lot more then the people on here do

 

[Mikeyg]

So you think Kadri is better, but you also think Bozak should continue with the #1 scoring line for defensive and chemistry purposes, this is basically what you think, right?

randy has him on the top line because he believes that it makes a solid line for producing points, thats on him, not on me

 

[The Winter Soldier]

How did I not answer your question? I was at the game against L.A. (what many people called possibly their best game of the season in a loss) and you're citing his plus minus? Not to mention they had more jump then you would ever see with Bozak down the middle, they played great in both ends that night, in STL not so much, same can be said for whole team, Last night they looked fine IMO nothing special, can't rely on them every single night though, if I took stretches of Bozaks play that fit my argument there would be plenty, but I don't use 4 game sample sizes

Don't bother replying, your non answers speak volumes of your claims here.

 

[DaveT83*]

Holland + JVR are our two biggest forwards.


Its no secret why they find success. Now just imagine what a true power forward would do in this lineup.

 

[Gallagbi]

No offence, but you are the most confusing poster on this forum, I am lost to what we are talking about and I think you are at times too.

Just for the record, this team has been disadvantaged by injuries all year, all players have been affected, not only select players you choose to protect.

It's tough to follow when you're running all over making asinine claims, I agree.

I have no idea why you quoted me in the first place or why the hell you responded with useless fire hydrant garbage.

Looks like you came out looking for an argument, but you didn't really know why.

 

[namttebih]

I really could not care less if you like bozak or not, hes going to be the 1c here for at least 2-3 more years whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

Oh yes, because the last two centers to sign bigger money here didn't get sent away after one season did they? Grabbo and Connolly say hi.

 

[Diatomic]

Tyler bozak is the 1c for the Toronto Maple Leafs, that is all that needs to be said, you can manipulate statistics in any way to make them support your claim, all it comes down too, he is the number 1 c here

I guess its nice to see fans accepting an endless eternity of mediocrity

 

[Mikeyg]

Listen, I fully understand what you are trying to say, I just totally disagree. Bozak shouldn't be in our top six based on depth with Bolland in our lineup. If anything you should use your argument with a player like Bolland. On a champion like the Hawks, Bolland was 3 on the depth chart. On a team like the Leafs he is close to first on the chart. I would much rather keep Kadri in the 1Cspot and by default keep Holland at 2C at least for a longer tryout. Therefore at this point one could argue that with a healthy lineup, Bozak could be 4th in the depth chart. This is a good thing

I love bolland, he is amazing, the problem is that historically he hasnt been able to fully embrace the 2c offensive role, ive talked to hawks fans about this before, and they believe that the most effective line for him would be a 2b line.

Idealy in 3-5 years
1a kadri
2a/b bozak and bolland

or bolland could end up leaving, or be put on wing and give holland the 2b line, idk