Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[FightingIrish17]

Yes, you are.

Lol, I see you've been allowed to change your name back after getting called out for trolling last week. That was funny dude, it's like you didn't know people would check your account history. That must've been embarrassing

 

[daveleaf]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

I don't think we ever have to fear Chiarelli topping that.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

so you don't think the Oilers are better today then a month ago?

 

[SullivanT]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

I wouldn't be Chia has done nothing but make this team better. Where has having Hall and no defense got the Oilers over the past 5 to 6 years?
What would you rather keep Hall and continue to finish 29th 30th or make a move that hurts now and have the potential to take a huge step forward.
Another positive note is now that we are no longer as desperate for defense Oilers can afford to wait for the right deal (probably why a deal for Barie has not been done yet)
I hope I am right on this last note at least.

 

[ManofSteel55]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

It's not even in the same ballpark. The Rask trade reflected the Leafs management team of the time being poor at evaluating talent in both prospects and NHL'ers. The Hall trade reflected that the Oilers have piss poor defense and had to overpay to help fix that problem.

 

[Avalanche2133]

Howard Berger who has some ins with Toronto just said Avs are talking with Toronto, Vancouver and yes still Edmonton on Barrie

 

[Oil Spill]

You're an internal cap team,

Yes, you are.

Swing and a miss, no were not.

 

[Oil Spill]

After trading Hall for Larsson, I would fear any other move he would make if I were a Oilers fan. I'm still shaking my head. I think that might be as bad as Leafs trading Rask.

Oilers are a better team now then they were last week.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Howard Berger who has some ins with Toronto just said Avs are talking with Toronto, Vancouver and yes still Edmonton on Barrie

I think they are talking, but I don't think a deal gets done.

Seems to me that Colorado is trying to take advantage of a bidding war. Good on them for doing so. It also seems to me that if they seriously wanted to move him, a deal probably would have happened already.

 

[PuqTalk]

It's not even in the same ballpark. The Rask trade reflected the Leafs management team of the time being poor at evaluating talent in both prospects and NHL'ers. The Hall trade reflected that the Oilers have piss poor defense and had to overpay to help fix that problem.

The problem is that they have not "fixed" the problem.

I'm not saying Larsson isn't an immediate upgrade, and I'm not saying they could have acquired their number one defenseman in a Hall trade either. But, whichever way you slice it, the fact of the matter is it was a horrible trade where they were grossly ripped off for one of the best wingers in hockey. There's no way around that. I'm not even talking about Larsson at this point, but the fact that he wasn't able to get anything else included in a package. ****, you had an unnamed GM come out and say he would have beaten the package easily.

They could have added Demers in FA and called it a day. They'd still have Hall. They could still have their darling Lucic. And then on top of that, they could have flipped RNH for a player comparable to Larsson (most likely).

 

[Draiskull]

I think they are talking, but I don't think a deal gets done.

Seems to me that Colorado is trying to take advantage of a bidding war. Good on them for doing so. It also seems to me that if they seriously wanted to move him, a deal probably would have happened already.

One could argue if they seriously wanted to keep him a deal would have been done already.

 

[Draiskull]

The problem is that they have not "fixed" the problem.

I'm not saying Larsson isn't an immediate upgrade, and I'm not saying they could have acquired their number one defenseman in a Hall trade either. But, whichever way you slice it, the fact of the matter is it was a horrible trade where they were grossly ripped off for one of the best wingers in hockey. There's no way around that. I'm not even talking about Larsson at this point, but the fact that he wasn't able to get anything else included in a package. ****, you had an unnamed GM come out and say he would have beaten the package easily.

They could have added Demers in FA and called it a day. They'd still have Hall. They could still have their darling Lucic. And then on top of that, they could have flipped RNH for a player comparable to Larsson (most likely).

They may not have fixed the problem but they have certainly addressed it. Adding Larsson goes long ways towards fixing the problem.
I dont but the ripped off part either.. Sure he overpaid but in the end got what the team needed. Getting NJ to add 2nd round picks or lesser players mean nothing.
Chia couldnt even get Korpikoski added to the deal.. Oh well.

And that package by unnamed GM could very well have been Brodin+multiple 1sts .. Who knows.. In the end Chia got the man he was targeting. If that GM was truly able to beat that return then he should be fired for not offering that to Chia.

Its not like Oilers need a top 4 Dman was a big secret around the league.

 

[SullivanT]

The problem is that they have not "fixed" the problem.

I'm not saying Larsson isn't an immediate upgrade, and I'm not saying they could have acquired their number one defenseman in a Hall trade either. But, whichever way you slice it, the fact of the matter is it was a horrible trade where they were grossly ripped off for one of the best wingers in hockey. There's no way around that. I'm not even talking about Larsson at this point, but the fact that he wasn't able to get anything else included in a package. ****, you had an unnamed GM come out and say he would have beaten the package easily.

They could have added Demers in FA and called it a day. They'd still have Hall. They could still have their darling Lucic. And then on top of that, they could have flipped RNH for a player comparable to Larsson (most likely).

Are you sure Demers wanted to come to edmonton though? Serious question. I mean what if he wasn't sold on Edmonton and told Chia that when he came here with Lucic. I never heard once that he was a lock to come her but I haven't searched for it. If we don't trade for Larsson and Demers doesn't sign here and Lucic signing is made harder because it eats up cap for potential d signings what are we all saying then why hasn't Chia done anything. This is just my thought though.

 

[ManofSteel55]

The problem is that they have not "fixed" the problem.

I'm not saying Larsson isn't an immediate upgrade, and I'm not saying they could have acquired their number one defenseman in a Hall trade either. But, whichever way you slice it, the fact of the matter is it was a horrible trade where they were grossly ripped off for one of the best wingers in hockey. There's no way around that. I'm not even talking about Larsson at this point, but the fact that he wasn't able to get anything else included in a package. ****, you had an unnamed GM come out and say he would have beaten the package easily.

They could have added Demers in FA and called it a day. They'd still have Hall. They could still have their darling Lucic. And then on top of that, they could have flipped RNH for a player comparable to Larsson (most likely).

"Beaten that package" with what exactly? Maybe with pure value, but we don't know if it would be with parts we actually need.

The fact is that we needed a top pair RD and a 2nd pair RD. Nobody was trading a #1 guy, but Larsson did well as a #2 last year. It's been said for years - if you can't trade for a #1 defenseman, you have to draft and develop one, or trade for a future one. Chiarelli traded for a future one.

The value is actually pretty close with the Jones - Johansen trade too, so I'm thinking it wasn't that Chiarelli was "ripped off", its more that fans (even educated ones on HF) either don't realize that Larsson is good enough to be fair value, or don't realize that current market for #2 defensemen.

Demers wouldn't fix anything alone, and we certainly had interest and probably even made an offer. He is a quality defenseman, but isn't at the same level as Adam Larsson and almost certainly will never see improvement to his game a this point.

Lucic, Larsson >>> Hall, Demers

 

[Draiskull]

Are you sure Demers wanted to come to edmonton though? Serious question. I mean what if he wasn't sold on Edmonton and told Chia that when he came here with Lucic. I never heard once that he was a lock to come her but I haven't searched for it. If we don't trade for Larsson and Demers doesn't sign here and Lucic signing is made harder because it eats up cap for potential d signings what are we all saying then why hasn't Chia done anything. This is just my thought though.

Demers got a 5yr deal with a NTC.. He probably wanted more $$ from Edmonton considering taxes and maybe even a NMC..

Oilers having to protect both him and Sekera would have made 2 of Larsson, Klefbom and Davidson exposed to expansion draft.

 

[Oil Spill]

The problem is that they have not "fixed" the problem.

I'm not saying Larsson isn't an immediate upgrade, and I'm not saying they could have acquired their number one defenseman in a Hall trade either. But, whichever way you slice it, the fact of the matter is it was a horrible trade where they were grossly ripped off for one of the best wingers in hockey. There's no way around that. I'm not even talking about Larsson at this point, but the fact that he wasn't able to get anything else included in a package. ****, you had an unnamed GM come out and say he would have beaten the package easily.

They could have added Demers in FA and called it a day. They'd still have Hall. They could still have their darling Lucic. And then on top of that, they could have flipped RNH for a player comparable to Larsson (most likely).

There was a rumor Demers turned them down, you have all these scenarios that they could have, should have done but at the end of the day Hall was the price. Chia had been looking for awhile now and it finally came down to overpaying. RNH could not return a player comparable to Larsson, who is apparently grossly underrated according to NJ fans, on paper we did not get good value but it made us a better team.

 

[McspOiler]

"Beaten that package" with what exactly? Maybe with pure value, but we don't know if it would be with parts we actually need.

The fact is that we needed a top pair RD and a 2nd pair RD. Nobody was trading a #1 guy, but Larsson did well as a #2 last year. It's been said for years - if you can't trade for a #1 defenseman, you have to draft and develop one, or trade for a future one. Chiarelli traded for a future one.

The value is actually pretty close with the Jones - Johansen trade too, so I'm thinking it wasn't that Chiarelli was "ripped off", its more that fans (even educated ones on HF) either don't realize that Larsson is good enough to be fair value, or don't realize that current market for #2 defensemen.

Demers wouldn't fix anything alone, and we certainly had interest and probably even made an offer. He is a quality defenseman, but isn't at the same level as Adam Larsson and almost certainly will never see improvement to his game a this point.

Lucic, Larsson >>> Hall, Demers

I would add that we are also ignoring the value of wingers... Which is quite low and left wing being lower then right. Hall was a corsi machine because he gets the puck skates it in the zone and then will usually get a shot off or create a play it is great. However although I won't say he is a tire fire he is no defensive stalwart l. It is our centers that get down low and get the puck out. At the end of the day I feel the loss of hall is being very overblown. Pool party will be a very good replacement in a couple years and we won't even notice. Also although lucic isn't as offensively gifted as hall he is good at getting the puck back. I can see mcdavid getting an extra 5-10 points just by the puck retrieved down low of lucic. (10 points is the diff between hall and lucic last year) also Larson played the top toi for nj last year. He can play the minutes and klefs hero chart has him as a top pair dman in every category so I think they will be great together.

Tldr halls impact on the overall game is overrated and Larson is being underrated especially when u realize we have lucic... As for demers Larson is much better then demers who I feel is a solid #4

 

[SullivanT]

Demers got a 5yr deal with a NTC.. He probably wanted more $$ from Edmonton considering taxes and maybe even a NMC..

Oilers having to protect both him and Sekera would have made 2 of Larsson, Klefbom and Davidson exposed to expansion draft.

That's what I'm saying I think this Larsson deal is great for Edmonton. Made room for Lucic ect ect. We would of been still sitting here with our tail between our legs with nothing done

 

[GirardSpinorama]

One could argue if they seriously wanted to keep him a deal would have been done already.

Negotiations don't get done in a day, there's still 10+ RFAs unsigned. If they wanted Barrie gone, the best time to trade was at the draft.

 

[nally]

It's not even in the same ballpark. The Rask trade reflected the Leafs management team of the time being poor at evaluating talent in both prospects and NHL'ers. The Hall trade reflected that the Oilers have piss poor defense and had to overpay to help fix that problem.

Love that Raycroft holds the leafs franchise record for wins in a season

 

[Double Dion]

Oilers are a better team now then they were last week.

No they aren't. They were better last week. Hall is one of the 5 best LW's in the game. Larsson isn't even a top 30 defenseman. Hall gives you two guys who can drive the offense. He gives you two scoring lines. Larsson is a good #3 defenseman or a weak #2. Lucic will be good this year, but when they Oilers should be contending that contract is going to be a poison pill.

 

[Paralyzer]

People have to remember that Hall hasn't improved our team in the last 6 years and he wasn't the answer for us. Not saying Hall is not good, in fact, I think he's very good, but he hasn't put the Oilers on his back once through his 6 years here and brought us even out of the Bottom 10 teams. It's time for a change. If you were to tell me that Hall for Larsson, Lucic was a trade, I'd take Larsson and Lucic in a second. (I know the Lucic singing isn't tied into the Hall deal at all, but you kind of have to see it like that now). I think Chiarelli has a few more moves in the next 2 weeks and he won't be sitting on his hands either all summer. I have faith in him and those who say Chiarelli is the worst GM are just jealous that he is making the Oilers more competitive and FINALLY changing the Culture of the Oilers. Plus he's no where NEAR the worst. There's a lot more terrible GMs and former GMs out there. In Chia I Trust!

 

[Draiskull]

No they aren't. They were better last week. Hall is one of the 5 best LW's in the game. Larsson isn't even a top 30 defenseman. Hall gives you two guys who can drive the offense. He gives you two scoring lines. Larsson is a good #3 defenseman or a weak #2. Lucic will be good this year, but when they Oilers should be contending that contract is going to be a poison pill.

So Oilers were better with Fayne on the top pairing? Because that is what we had last week.

Oilers lost that trade value wise but improved the team greatly by adding a legit top 4 RD.

IMO and from Chia's interview it was clear that Lucic would have been an Oiler regardless.

Oilers could have had 3 scoring lines with elite talent on each but would not have been a better team ..

You need quality D to win games and no one is giving away any.

Unless Subban was in play Edmonton makes this swap 10\10 times.

 

[AslanRH]

One could argue if they seriously wanted to keep him a deal would have been done already.

Arbitration is in the Avs favor, and the other perk is Barrie is 3 years from UFA so even Arbitration won't get him there. Barrie is a Newport client which we've experienced before. They will do everything possible to get max money. For once though, hopefully Sakic stands firm.