Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?
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Honestly, he made that deal knowing they were getting Lucic and couldn't afford what they already had on LW. You can't pay Hall, Lucic, Pouliot and Maroon. How can any team afford that much for their left side?
Like it or not this was Lucic and Larsson for Hall. He could have gotten more from NJ in my opinion but oh well.
Chiarelli is laying down drag bunts in Edmonton just like he did in Boston.
Quality taunting post.
Chiarelli is laying down drag bunts in Edmonton just like he did in Boston.
Pretty obvious that Neely has been calling the shots for the past 4 years. Look at the moves "Sweeney" has made since
Hamilton, Lucic, Smith 
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Pretty obvious that Neely has been calling the shots for the past 4 years. Look at the moves "Sweeney" has made since
Not to mention the debatable 1st round draft picks haha.
ManofSteel55
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Even if he isn't I think he has to say it just in case any of his other moves don't come to fruition.
smackdaddy
x – Edmonton
Solid moves. When the usual haters (flames nuck fans) have no real substance to their flaming them you know it's been a good summer so far
The team is better today than it was on the last day of the season, they're better constructed now to play in the modern NHL whereas what they've been doing the last 4-5 years has been basically icing a team that would've done great in the 1980s/early 90s, but no one plays that game anymore.
The Oilers are basically adding Larsson and Klefbom, because Klefbom missed 2/3 of last year so that's a large upgrade on defence, Lucic is harder to play against than Taylor Hall, Puljujarvi is just kinda like a bonus add, no huge expectations but you can't teach 6 foot 4 with speed.
Tyson Barrie not being available might be a bit of a blessing in disguise because I think the Oilers had tremendous center depth in McDavid-Draisaitl-RNH ... not many teams have that kind of depth down the middle. They should let that ride for a little while, it provides all three with insulation.
The Oilers are basically adding Larsson and Klefbom, because Klefbom missed 2/3 of last year so that's a large upgrade on defence, Lucic is harder to play against than Taylor Hall, Puljujarvi is just kinda like a bonus add, no huge expectations but you can't teach 6 foot 4 with speed.
Tyson Barrie not being available might be a bit of a blessing in disguise because I think the Oilers had tremendous center depth in McDavid-Draisaitl-RNH ... not many teams have that kind of depth down the middle. They should let that ride for a little while, it provides all three with insulation.
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Hall for Larsson was not a solid move.
Lucic was a solid move
Lucking into Pully was another in a long line of luck moves.
All of this is true, but I still think it ends with the off season being a win thus far.
I'm still hoping for that Offensive dman that Chiarelli has been trying for, and as long as it isn't anymore lopsided of a deal as the Hall/Larsson trade, then I think this will be a very successful off-season regardless of the lost trade value.
Larsson I think can be a 30+ point d-man/season which isn't bad. He was on pace for that the season before last when he was getting more offensive zone starts. He has a terrific first pass.
The NJ team last year just buried him under d-zone starts and every hard match up possible last season, and had little offensive talent up front especially with their leading scorer Cammalleri out for 1/2 the year.
Still he was the best +/- on the team and had Jersey flirting with a playoff spot for a good portion of the year, which is flat out crazy considering the team they were icing.
Defensively he's probably the best d-man the Oilers have had probably since Pronger, there aren't many d-men under 25 in the NHL I would take over Larsson if we're talking strictly the ability to play the defensive side of the ice. He's going to be a good one. If we're talking offensive ability then yeah sure probably Seth Jones (Ekblad is obvious), but defensively, Larsson is better than Jones right now.
The NJ team last year just buried him under d-zone starts and every hard match up possible last season, and had little offensive talent up front especially with their leading scorer Cammalleri out for 1/2 the year.
Still he was the best +/- on the team and had Jersey flirting with a playoff spot for a good portion of the year, which is flat out crazy considering the team they were icing.
Defensively he's probably the best d-man the Oilers have had probably since Pronger, there aren't many d-men under 25 in the NHL I would take over Larsson if we're talking strictly the ability to play the defensive side of the ice. He's going to be a good one. If we're talking offensive ability then yeah sure probably Seth Jones (Ekblad is obvious), but defensively, Larsson is better than Jones right now.
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Paralyzer
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No but putting your team in the playoff picture isn't. If Edmonton could at least see the Playoff Picture until at LEAST March, I'd be pretty happy, especially if the players attitudes are a lot different than in past years (accepting losing, etc.)
smackdaddy
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It's like posters on this site decide to throw context out the window whenever they want to discuss anything.
Chia was put into this position from the get-go and likely had a mandate to his hiring that he was responsible in improving this team. Knowing this, the Hall trade almost 100% would have been a committee decision between ownership, scouts, and management. So fact is, it was calculated.
That being said, just like the last few years under MacTerrible and Tambo, there were unwilling to trade what it took to shore up the defense. It got to the point where it become a huge problem. Combined with the premium on young talented defenseman and the Oilers desperate need for D it was a bad combination and the price only rose. Old management banked on the price reducing but it never did.
Chia walks into this situation and takes a good look at the team. Hall was originally drafted to lead the Oilers. Unfortunately, with McDavid our fortunes totally changed. We now have to decide who we want to build this team around. Wasting the ELC's and cheap years of Hall, RNH and Eberle by not surrounding them with the talent to succeed was a terrible mistake. But to make that mistake again with McDavid would be unforgivable.
Hall was the odd man out. To me, I saw it was either Hall or McDavid. Chia said he had been watching Larsson for a long time and he was their guy. In my opinion, offering up Hall for Larsson came out of nowhere. It was Chia who made the calculated move and it was Shero who was forced to make a rushed decision. Good or bad, yet to be seen but it was shrewd on Chia's part. A true salesman and Chia got his man and Larsson wasn't even available. Young, high performing D with an incredible contract who is projected to be a solid top 2 defenseman.
Dealt from a position of strength and not only that but ENSURED that he had a much better suited replacement waiting in the wings with Lucic. Incredible management and sense of timing. I have a high respect for Chia and his ability to get. ****. done.
The surface dwellers and simple minded opponents to this trade will point to the contract length or that Hall is all of a sudden a top LW when not even 6 months ago he was chopped liver and not even in the top 20 on some lists. Don't buy it. It was much fairer then anyone is giving Chia credit for.
You can't leave out Lucic or Poolparty in your little equation there, Beerfish, because one doesn't happen without the other.
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Homesick;120419247[B said:
Do not sell yourself short. Because when you give a all star away for a average player it does not make you better. And I am only talking about that deal.
PS: Chia is done he just does not know it yet. Sooner or later the fickle finger of fate will come calling.
What will give him some time is McDavid, who as long as he can stay injury free can carry the team on his back.
smackdaddy
x – Edmonton
Hall is not an all-star. Sorry to break it to you. He's a very good winger, though! So there's that!
I'd hope he'd slow down and not make any more horribly lopsided trades not in his favor. They got a young top 4 RHD in Larsson. They overpaid up the ass but they got him so no more unjustifiable "team need" type trades please
Lol OK... He's at least a top 5 LW in the league so by sheer math that puts him on an All-star team and you can bet that he'll be NJ's rep for the next 5-10 years. He's as safe an all-star as there is in the league
Paralyzer
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He was part of the solution, but you can't expect the goalie to be the whole team, unless your Montreal. I feel Larsson is going to show a whole different player next year and become that #1 RHD and put up 30-40 points next year. The Oilers are going to be a MUCH tougher team to play against and the Oilers for once will actually be HEALTHY (Emphasize the HEALTHY). If the Oilers were healthy last year, I doubt you'd have seen Hall traded and the Oilers would have been in a much better spot than they are this year. When McDavid broke his collarbone, instead of Hall jumping up and taking the reigns, he fell apart too. From that point, the Oilers weren't playing with a new attitude anymore and even MacLellan saw it and got FED up with it. Even tore the team a new one in this press conference:
So the whole Hall trade has a LOT more to do with culture change and player need than just for the sake of trading.
