Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[AslanRH]

Demers got a 5yr deal with a NTC.. He probably wanted more $$ from Edmonton considering taxes and maybe even a NMC..

Oilers having to protect both him and Sekera would have made 2 of Larsson, Klefbom and Davidson exposed to expansion draft.

Why not go 8-1?

I only see 4 forwards that seem like must protect guys anyway

 

[ManofSteel55]

No they aren't. They were better last week. Hall is one of the 5 best LW's in the game. Larsson isn't even a top 30 defenseman. Hall gives you two guys who can drive the offense. He gives you two scoring lines. Larsson is a good #3 defenseman or a weak #2. Lucic will be good this year, but when they Oilers should be contending that contract is going to be a poison pill.

Okay, so you have spent years ragging on the Oilers for being a one dimensional offense only team with no care for defensive play and when we bring in a legit #2/3 defenseman and replace the guy we traded to get that defenseman with another top line LW, you say we are worse because of it? Its apparent now, more than ever, that your only goal in anything Oilers related is to troll.

Larsson isn't recognized as a top 30 defenseman, but ask any New Jersey fan about what he did for them last year and what skills he brings. If their analysis is on point, then there is no reason why he can't be a top 30 (or in the 30 - 40 range) defenseman this year.

Yes, Hall was a guy who can create offense. But its not like we are left with only McDavid among the offense drivers on the team. Eberle (yes I know you hate him) has proven time and time again that he can drive the offense even without Hall or McDavid on his line. The fact remains that, even though it sucks to lose Hall, Lucic & Larsson > Hall.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Edmonton has some really good moves this summer. Do you think Edmonton is holding back from acquiring that last piece because of the entry draft.

 

[Paralyzer]

No they aren't. They were better last week. Hall is one of the 5 best LW's in the game. Larsson isn't even a top 30 defenseman. Hall gives you two guys who can drive the offense. He gives you two scoring lines. Larsson is a good #3 defenseman or a weak #2. Lucic will be good this year, but when they Oilers should be contending that contract is going to be a poison pill.

Doubt Lucic will be a poison pill. He's EXACTLY what the Oilers need. If you watched his interview with the Oilers media, he is excited and happy to be on the Oilers and will do whatever it takes to win. He even said "Losing isn't an option for him". Do you think Hall could have done that for the Oilers? I very much doubt so. Plus by the time his contract is up, he'll be 35 years old. Not like Isles with Ladd until he's 37 and Boychuk until he's 38. And besides, he signed for the SAME amount he got last year (except for the bonuses) and has a limited NTC in his last 2 years which gives the Oilers LOTS of flexibility. He could have signed for 6.5, 7, maybe even 7.5 elsewhere as he stated but he wanted to come here. As hard as it seems for those who think NO ONE WANTS TO COME TO EDMONTON, well, as the Degeneration-X say it:

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Arbitration is in the Avs favor, and the other perk is Barrie is 3 years from UFA so even Arbitration won't get him there. Barrie is a Newport client which we've experienced before. They will do everything possible to get max money. For once though, hopefully Sakic stands firm.

Didn't Sakic stand firm on ROR? Most the contracts we've handed out have been pretty favorable

 

[JarvisFunk]

No they aren't. They were better last week. Hall is one of the 5 best LW's in the game. Larsson isn't even a top 30 defenseman. Hall gives you two guys who can drive the offense. He gives you two scoring lines. Larsson is a good #3 defenseman or a weak #2. Lucic will be good this year, but when they Oilers should be contending that contract is going to be a poison pill.

We still have 2 very good scoring lines. And now instead of terrible defence, were about average.

 

[Homesick]

You're an internal cap team,

Lol, I see you've been allowed to change your name back after getting called out for trolling last week. That was funny dude, it's like you didn't know people would check your account history. That must've been embarrassing

lol last week Major Happy was an Oilers fan. I see its back to normal now

Negotiations don't get done in a day, there's still 10+ RFAs unsigned. If they wanted Barrie gone, the best time to trade was at the draft.

they've had since last July. Too much smoke coming out of the Rockies for nothing to be going on. But keep holding your breath like Habs fans were doing with Subban

Arbitration is in the Avs favor, and the other perk is Barrie is 3 years from UFA so even Arbitration won't get him there. Barrie is a Newport client which we've experienced before. They will do everything possible to get max money. For once though, hopefully Sakic stands firm.

he's only 2 years away. The Avs blew one year of RFA eligibility in 11-12 with 10 games

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Big trades almost always come with no smoke what so ever. I'd more surprised if Barrie gets traded to Edmonton and not to some random team we didn't expect.

 

[AslanRH]

he's only 2 years away. The Avs blew one year of RFA eligibility in 11-12 with 10 games

That burned a year of ELC, but not regarding progress towards UFA. Does not count as an accrued season so it doesn't start the clock

 

[BeastMode97]

Big trades almost always come with no smoke what so ever. I'd more surprised if Barrie gets traded to Edmonton and not to some random team we didn't expect.

I'd love for Barrie to get traded to Edmonton, but I definitely agree with you.
Perfect example is Dougie Hamilton last year. Tons of talk that he wasn't going anywhere. Then the Oilers were kicking tires, and out of no where he is moved to Calgary for picks. That on caught a lot of people by surprise.

 

[Avs44]

he's only 2 years away. The Avs blew one year of RFA eligibility in 11-12 with 10 games

This is the definition of how a player can become a UFA:

Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such
League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent.

This is the definition of an accrued season:

"Accrued Season" means any League Year during which a Player was on a
Club's Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club's Active Roster shall count as
games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

This is the definition of on the Active Roster

"Active Roster" shall be determined as follows: Commencing on the day prior to
the start of the Regular Season, and concluding with each respective Club's last NHL Game in a
League Year, Active Roster shall include all Players on a Club's Reserve List who are signed to
an approved and registered SPC, subject to the provisions of Article 11, and who are not on the
Injured Reserve List, Injured Non-Roster, designated Non-Roster, or Loaned. A Player who is on
a Conditioning Loan is included on a Club's Active Roster. During Training Camp, a Player shall
be deemed to be on the Club's Active Roster only if he had been on the Club's Active Roster
after the Trade Deadline in the preceding season on other than an emergency recall basis

Being in the AHL counts as being on loan, so therefore that does not count towards the 40 accrued games. Barrie played 10 games, he was not on the active roster for 40 games...so...does 2011/12 really count as burning a year of RFA eligibility? Unless there is something else in the CBA, it did not.

 

[AslanRH]

Didn't Sakic stand firm on ROR? Most the contracts we've handed out have been pretty favorable

If by firm you mean offering an 2 year arbitration hearing prevention contract that took him straight to UFA, then I suppose.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd love for Barrie to get traded to Edmonton, but I definitely agree with you.
Perfect example is Dougie Hamilton last year. Tons of talk that he wasn't going anywhere. Then the Oilers were kicking tires, and out of no where he is moved to Calgary for picks. That on caught a lot of people by surprise.

The Larsson-Hall and Subban-Weber trades fits this too. Rumors of talks with Minnesota, Colorado, and a few with New Jersey for Severson instead of Larsson, and Hall's name didn't come up much at all, and then BAM. Hall for Larsson is done. Subban was linked to Edmonton and a couple of other teams too, but not Nashville that I had seen, and WHAM, Weber for Subban is announced.

 

[BeastMode97]

The Larsson-Hall and Subban-Weber trades fits this too. Rumors of talks with Minnesota, Colorado, and a few with New Jersey for Severson instead of Larsson, and Hall's name didn't come up much at all, and then BAM. Hall for Larsson is done. Subban was linked to Edmonton and a couple of other teams too, but not Nashville that I had seen, and WHAM, Weber for Subban is announced.

Exactly, I think it has to do with protected the "feelings" of your star players. You don't want them to know you were shopping and close to trading them if the deal falls through. Thats why I am still optimistic there will be a few big deals around the league in the next few weeks.

 

[Gaunce4gm]

Acquiring Larsson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse defence then Edmonton...

 

[BeastMode97]

Acquiring Larsson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse defence then Edmonton...

Having average defense doesnt mean right in the middle. Theres about 4-6 teams with exeptional defense (NSH, ANA, MIN, CGY etc.), Then I'd say about 20 with pretty average defence, then like 5 with pretty bad.

The Oiler defensive number were pretty good before Klefbom went down. Larsson is only going to help.

 

[oilwave]

Acquiring Larsson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse defence then Edmonton...

I'm too lazy to look up rosters but "average" doesn't mean you are the 15th best team at something. There is more than 1 team that is "average" in most areas. I'd say average is being in the 11-20 range, but that might be too small a range.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Acquiring Larsson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse defence then Edmonton...

1) Who has the time, and 2) Technically that would make the Oilers defense "above average" not "average".

 

[Snacks Kassian]

Chiarelli is laying down drag bunts in Edmonton just like he did in Boston.

 

[Paralyzer]

Acquiring Larsson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse defence then Edmonton...

Acquiring Eriksson doesn't make you "average" name 15 teams with worse offense then Vancouver...

See what I did there? Another poster had the right idea. "average" means it's not terrible, but it's do-able in the NHL. Edmonton's defence last year was AHL average. It was beyond bad. Now it's at LEAST NHL average. Not the best, but not the worst.

 

[buttman*]

Chia Pet needs to take a break. He's done enough damage.

 

[Homesick]

This is the definition of how a player can become a UFA:



This is the definition of an accrued season:



This is the definition of on the Active Roster



Being in the AHL counts as being on loan, so therefore that does not count towards the 40 accrued games. Barrie played 10 games, he was not on the active roster for 40 games...so...does 2011/12 really count as burning a year of RFA eligibility? Unless there is something else in the CBA, it did not.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Draiskull]

That burned a year of ELC, but not regarding progress towards UFA. Does not count as an accrued season so it doesn't start the clock

yup .. same case with Draisatil in Edmonton.. 1 yr burned on ELC but doesnt bring him a year closer to UFA.

 

[Homesick]

Chia Pet needs to take a break. He's done enough damage.

Now you're just talking out of your username

 

[PuckInTheNards]

I like the oilers moves this season. Hall was an elite winger but wingers are kinda like rennin backs these days... They don't really drive the team. Larsson's got a ton of potential and should stabilize the blue line in a year or two. Lucic is a great add - chia won a cup with him before and he knows what lucic brings to the team. He won't bring as much offense as hall but he brings a ton of intangibles. Regardless of what else happens this offseason, I think the oilers are better now than they were at the beginning of the offseason.