Perron suspended 6 games for crosscheck to the face on Zub - Mod warning Post #590

[SpezDispenser]

Yes, one is demonstrably worse seeing as how a guy lied motionless on the ice for minutes.

The end result was very unfortunate, but if you truly think Joseph's play was worse than Perron's play, there's simply no arguing because you see the game differently from me.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Kind of like Perron should of, by dropping his gloves.

Non native english speaker here, what does ”should of” mean?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Non native english speaker here, what does ”should of” mean?

"Should have" or "should've", the latter sounding similar to "should of".

 

[Golden_Jet]

Non native english speaker here, what does ”should have” mean?

Borde ha

 

[Auston Marlander]

A two-handed “shove” to the head isn’t remotely allowed.

Jesus Christ.

The shove Joseph gave is a 2 minute penalty at worse. "Allowed" in this context means not suspendedable. It looks like a player trying to clear the front of the net and Larkin was a bit bent over.

In no way should Joseph get anything more than the 2 minutes hes already served.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Because "should of" sounds exactly like "should've"

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Why do north americans sometimes use ”should of”?

Sounds like "should've".

 

[Gregor Samsa]

No, the brain isn't generally in danger when a high stick occurs.

NHL players are paid to play a fast sport. If they have harsher penalties for headshots then they will adjust or someone else will.

I seem to remember Pronger’s career ending on a high stick that resulted in an eye injury and concussion

If players can’t take the possibilities of having their head jostled or even hit hard then they should step away from the game. They knew what they were getting into when they made the NHL. They are well compensated for the risks. Maybe the money they make isn’t much to you but I’d gladly brave the risks they do to make the salary they make. They don’t really have my sympathy if they think Joseph’s contact was a travesty. I’d hate to see what you think of boxing and mma

 

[Ol' Jase]

I seem to remember Pronger’s career ending on a high stick that resulted in an eye injury and concussion

If players can’t take the possibilities of having their head jostled or even hit hard then they should step away from the game. They knew what they were getting into when they made the NHL. They are well compensated for the risks. Maybe the money they make isn’t much to you but I’d gladly brave the risks they do to make the salary they make. They don’t really have my sympathy if they think Joseph’s contact was a travesty. I’d hate to see what you think of boxing and mma

This is just wild.

If you can’t take head shots and being knocked unconscious, you shouldn’t play in the NHL…

What an incredibly horrible take.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I seem to remember Pronger’s career ending on a high stick that resulted in an eye injury and concussion

What do you think "generally" means?

If players can’t take the possibilities of having their head jostled or even hit hard then they should step away from the game. They knew what they were getting into when they made the NHL. They are well compensated for the risks. Maybe the money they make isn’t much to you but I’d gladly brave the risks they do to make the salary they make. They don’t really have my sympathy if they think Joseph’s contact was a travesty. I’d hate to see what you think of boxing and mma

"They knew what they were getting into" is an argument that has been used from even before helmets became mandatory.

 

[Ol' Jase]

The shove Joseph gave is a 2 minute penalty at worse. "Allowed" in this context means not suspendedable. It looks like a player trying to clear the front of the net and Larkin was a bit bent over.

In no way should Joseph get anything more than the 2 minutes hes already served.

You’re seeing what you want to see, full stop.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

The end result was very unfortunate, but if you truly think Joseph's play was worse than Perron's play, there's simply no arguing because you see the game differently from me.

Yes, when I see a guy get sucker punched and lie motionless for several minutes, I will assume that is worse than a reactive cross check. The cross check was bad, but guess what, Zub didn’t crumple motionless. This is as black and white as it gets.

 

[fcpremix88]

It was indeed. Enough time passes that it was not a blind reaction. Target identified and eliminated.

“Premeditated” would be if Perron planned the cross-check before the game.

And I want to reiterate: Perron deserves a multi-game suspension for the cross-check. I’m not defending him in any way.

I’m gonna stop here; I won’t write a third post arguing semantics and basic definitions of words.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yes, when I see a guy get sucker punched and lie motionless for several minutes, I will assume that is worse than a reactive cross check. The cross check was bad, but guess what, Zub didn’t crumple motionless. This is as black and white as it gets.

Because zub didn't get knocked out. He could have very easily. He's calling for your training and Perron the Courageous goes at him with a 2 hander.

One has an in person hearing, the other has no hearing at all, that should tell you a lot.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

What do you think "generally" means?

"They knew what they were getting into" is an argument that has been used from even before helmets became mandatory.

Of course the argument has always been there. The players are perfectly entitled to pull a Calvin Johnson if they are worried about their long term health. Personally I think the players probably embrace being known as a professional athlete in a tough, rugged sport like hockey. I seem to recall few wanting to remove fighting

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes, when I see a guy get sucker punched and lie motionless for several minutes, I will assume that is worse than a reactive cross check. The cross check was bad, but guess what, Zub didn’t crumple motionless. This is as black and white as it gets.

When you assume……

 

[Korpse]

Yes, when I see a guy get sucker punched and lie motionless for several minutes, I will assume that is worse than a reactive cross check. The cross check was bad, but guess what, Zub didn’t crumple motionless. This is as black and white as it gets.

Sucker punch is bad, I can think of some recent examples that resulted in suspensions. No sucker punches occurred in this incident.

 

[Kegu]

Because zub didn't get knocked out. He could have very easily. He's calling for your training and Perron the Courageous goes at him with a 2 hander.

One has an in person hearing, the other has no hearing at all, that should tell you a lot.

Doesn't matter, people will call the refs blind, the nhl biased and the excuses will repeat ad nauseum. People are just looking for someone to be mad at, and for some Joseph is an easy mark.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Of course the argument has always been there. The players are perfectly entitled to pull a Calvin Johnson if they are worried about their long term health. Personally I think the players probably embrace being known as a professional athlete in a tough, rugged sport like hockey. I seem to recall few wanting to remove fighting

Again, nothing you are saying addresses my specific argument about hits to the head that are already illegal in this "tough rugged" version of hockey that you prefer.

 

[Snowwy]

Yes, when I see a guy get sucker punched and lie motionless for several minutes, I will assume that is worse than a reactive cross check. The cross check was bad, but guess what, Zub didn’t crumple motionless. This is as black and white as it gets.

You know there are replays of the play, right?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Because zub didn't get knocked out. He could have very easily. He's calling for your training and Perron the Courageous goes at him with a 2 hander.

One has an in person hearing, the other has no hearing at all, that should tell you a lot.

No one is defending Perron lol. Yeah, and guess what? The Department of Player Safety gets these things wrong daily, that is why there is daily outrage and daily threads about putrid hits that need to be removed from the game.

You know there are replays of the play, right?

Yep! They look really bad!

Doesn't matter, people will call the refs blind, the nhl biased and the excuses will repeat ad nauseum. People are just looking for someone to be mad at, and for some Joseph is an easy mark.

He literally knocked a guy out, and targeted the same player once before.

 

[Kegu]

No one is defending Perron lol. Yeah, and guess what? The Department of Player Safety gets these things wrong daily, that is why there is daily outrage and daily threads about putrid hits that need to be removed from the game.


Yep! They look really bad!


He literally knocked a guy out, and targeted the same player once before.

Thats the thing, Joseph did not in fact knock anyone out.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Again, nothing you are saying addresses my specific argument about hits to the head that are already illegal in this "tough rugged" version of hockey that you prefer.

Well let’s see if the players are outraged by Joseph’s penalty. I don’t believe we would hear a peep if the unfortunate result didn’t happen, and I still don’t think we’ll be hearing players calling for Joseph’s head either way

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Thats the thing, Joseph did not in fact knock anyone out.

Okay, so we are just lying at this point. Got it.

 

[EK65IsAGod]

He literally knocked a guy out, and targeted the same player once before.

He literally did not???