Rumor: Per Kevin Weekes. Shesterkin rejects NYRs $88M / 11M AAV offer

[Bourne Endeavor]

Only an idiot takes less than they are worth, I would never tell a friend of mine to take less money in order to keep the work team together.

The issue is the cap, it certainly isn't the players getting what they are worth.

How much you are worth is dictated by how much teams are willing to pay you. If nobody wants to pay 12M+ for a goalie, then you aren't worth that amount no matter how good you are. And I don't any team is going to offer him that amount. Hell, most of the competitive teams can't even if they wanted to.

Shesterkin is phenomenal but is he 3M better than say, Hellebuyck? No. He really isn't.

 

[Seras]

How much you are worth is dictated by how much teams are willing to pay you. If nobody wants to pay 12M+ for a goalie, then you aren't worth that amount no matter how good you are. And I don't any team is going to offer him that amount. Hell, most of the competitive teams can't even if they wanted to.

Shesterkin is phenomenal but is he 3M better than say, Hellebuyck? No. He really isn't.

He and his agent must feel he is worth 12+, if the Rangers don't think he is then he will have to try one of the other teams in the league

Backwards thinking

Yes it is pretty silly to blame players for getting paid what they are worth when it's obviously a cap issue.

 

[WarriorofTime]

How much you are worth is dictated by how much teams are willing to pay you. If nobody wants to pay 12M+ for a goalie, then you aren't worth that amount no matter how good you are. And I don't any team is going to offer him that amount. Hell, most of the competitive teams can't even if they wanted to.

Shesterkin is phenomenal but is he 3M better than say, Hellebuyck? No. He really isn't.

He's the same age as Draisaitl who signed for $14 million. Is he $3 million worse than Draisaitl? No. He really isn't.

 

[Nasti]

No goalie has ever won a cup making $11 million or more. Just sayin.

 

[Trembz]

He wants to make Price's contract look like peanuts

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

He's the same age as Draisaitl who signed for $14 million. Is he $3 million worse than Draisaitl? No. He really isn't.

You're comparing different positions, one with which has substantially higher supply than demand.

In fact, bringing up Edmonton is the exact example why very few teams want to invest even 10M in just their starter much less 12+. The Oilers were quite literally a game away from winning the cup with a goalie significantly worse than Shesterkin.

Yes, yes, if they had a better goalie maybe they win but, ironically, goaltending wasn't their problem against Florida. The point still stands that an upgrade on Skinner to Hiller (4.9M), Demko (5M), Hellebuyck (8.5M) or Vasilevskiy (9.5M) would achieve the same thing but with FAR better cap flexibility.

Regardless, you don't compare Shesterkin to Draisaitl. You compare him to other goalies, none of who make remotely close to 12M+ or are that much of a downgrade, if any at all in the case of the latter two.

I don't blame Shesterkin for trying to chase a payday. I just don't think any team, Rangers included, are going to give it to him.

 

[Saitama]

Jeremy Brodeur is available for the right price, Rangers.

That last name is tainted.

 

[Stickpucker]

Good for you Shits!

Get your dolla bills!

 

[TGWL]

I don't like it and that's tough against the cap. But I understand it from Igor's side. I still don't know the exact number and maybe contract clause is also playing a factor with Drury hesitant and playing hard ball after the Trouba summer issues. If there's discussion about the next CBA leaked before the end of the 2024-2025/free agency, look out, because that number could be going up if we find out how much the cap could potentially be rising over the years. On the other hand, Injuries, and a bad year makes it risky for Igor to hold out, but he's going to bet on himself.

 

[Stickpucker]

Igor's agent:

 

[Armourboy]

You're comparing different positions, one with which has substantially higher supply than demand.

In fact, bringing up Edmonton is the exact example why very few teams want to invest even 10M in just their starter much less 12+. The Oilers were quite literally a game away from winning the cup with a goalie significantly worse than Shesterkin.

Yes, yes, if they had a better goalie maybe they win but, ironically, goaltending wasn't their problem against Florida. The point still stands that an upgrade on Skinner to Hiller (4.9M), Demko (5M), Hellebuyck (8.5M) or Vasilevskiy (9.5M) would achieve the same thing but with FAR better cap flexibility.

Regardless, you don't compare Shesterkin to Draisaitl. You compare him to other goalies, none of who make remotely close to 12M+ or are that much of a downgrade, if any at all in the case of the latter two.

I don't blame Shesterkin for trying to chase a payday. I just don't think any team, Rangers included, are going to give it to him.

Agreed. I think the only way he gets that money is if he is willing to go to a team that has been rock bottom, is on the way back up, but desperately need a goalie and have the cap space.

The issue isn't so much if he is worth it, its a matter of finding a team willing to give it to him. Most teams are swallowing hard on spending 8 million on a goalie so finding much traction at 12 million is going to be rough.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yes, yes, if they had a better goalie maybe they win but, ironically, goaltending wasn't their problem against Florida. The point still stands that an upgrade on Skinner to Hiller (4.9M), Demko (5M), Hellebuyck (8.5M) or Vasilevskiy (9.5M) would achieve the same thing but with FAR better cap flexibility.

And they lost to a team with a much better goalie who was making 10 mill.

Maybe goaltending wasn't their problem against florida. But goaltending (Bob) is why they lost. They scored 5 goals in their 4 losses.

Why is this thread confusing.

Panarin makes 11.6

Shesterkin is the team's best player though and wants to be their highest paid. He wants 12 and will get it.

 

[WarriorofTime]

In fact, bringing up Edmonton is the exact example why very few teams want to invest even 10M in just their starter much less 12+. The Oilers were quite literally a game away from winning the cup with a goalie significantly worse than Shesterkin.

Ok but New York doesn't have McDavid and they're not going to get a McDavid. They have to forge their own path.

Granted if they have it on good record that McDavid is going to sign with the Rangers, then yeah sure, let Igor walk. I think that's a bit unlikely.

 

[Ruggs225]

And they lost to a team with a much better goalie who was making 10 mill.

Maybe goaltending wasn't their problem against florida. But goaltending (Bob) is why they lost. They scored 5 goals in their 4 losses.

Why is this thread confusing.

Panarin makes 11.6

Shesterkin is the team's best player though and wants to be their highest paid. He wants 12 and will get it.

They didnt lose to Bob. The rangers go so dominated by Florida that georgiev could have won. Bob made the saves he had too, but wasnt really challenged.

The prior year we got out goalied by superstar akira freaking schmidt. And u know why? Bc the devils team was so good we couldnt muster shit against schmidt.

A good team can cover up alot if your goalie is at least average.

Goalies are more likely to lose you a game singlehandedly than win you a game singlehandedly.

If your strategy is “goalie steals series” than chances are u didnt create the right team.

 

[Darren McCord]

They didnt lose to Bob. The rangers go so dominated by Florida that georgiev could have won. Bob made the saves he had too, but wasnt really challenged.

I was talking about Edmonton series.

If you want to talk about the Rangers series, Igor was the only reason the rangers were even in it. Without him they get swept in an embarrassing fashion. Which makes my point. How can you pay Panarin 11.6 to not show up and expect igor to take 10mill and carry the team.

Sorokin was a backup last year at one point making 8.25. Igor is getting paid.

 

[Ruggs225]

I was talking about Edmonton series.

If you want to talk about the Rangers series, Igor was the only reason the rangers were even in it. Without him they get swept in an embarrassing fashion. Which makes my point. How can you pay Panarin 11.6 to not show up and expect igor to take 10mill and carry the team.

My point is if u already cant win, how can u pay the goalie more and try to field a better team. You cant.

 

[Darren McCord]

My point is if u already cant win, how can u pay the goalie more and try to field a better team. You cant.

Ya you can. Don't pay guys like trouba 8mill

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't like it and that's tough against the cap. But I understand it from Igor's side. I still don't know the exact number and maybe contract clause is also playing a factor with Drury hesitant and playing hard ball after the Trouba summer issues. If there's discussion about the next CBA leaked before the end of the 2024-2025/free agency, look out, because that number could be going up if we find out how much the cap could potentially be rising over the years. On the other hand, Injuries, and a bad year makes it risky for Igor to hold out, but he's going to bet on himself.

Also have to consider NYR can't trade him as they need him. So, if he goes to market, how does he get that $88 mill over 7 years? That would be $12.55 mill aav to get that $88 mill over 7 years.
He turns 29 before the end of the year. So, UFA at 29.5. So, after 7 years he would be 36.5 and could look for another deal if he signed for under $88 mill total.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Hope rags give shesty 13 million. Bruins fan.

I remember fans laughing at the Bruins for giving 8x8.25 to Swayman, LMAO.

 

[elmaco]

Backwards thinking

Raise the cap? That's forward thinking.

 

[NVious]

How much you are worth is dictated by how much teams are willing to pay you. If nobody wants to pay 12M+ for a goalie, then you aren't worth that amount no matter how good you are. And I don't any team is going to offer him that amount. Hell, most of the competitive teams can't even if they wanted to.

Shesterkin is phenomenal but is he 3M better than say, Hellebuyck? No. He really isn't.

Hellebuyck has been to the playoffs 8 times, he has an over 930 save percentage once. Shesterkin has been to the playoffs 4 times (really 3 as he only played 1 game his first time) and has a 929 sv percentage, 931 and 927 (basically 3 930s). Also he doesn't have any insane blemishes on his record yet like Helle who has 904, 886 and 870 sv percentage in 3 separate playoffs. Honestly he already blows Helle away.

If he was on the open market and available, from the Toronto perspective I would gladly take him in a heartbeat at 13 mill over Marner at 11.

The proof is in the pudding, not only can you win with goalies making absurd amounts (Bobrovsky), but it is always worth to pay Vezina winning goalies like Price who willed a borderline playoff team to a cup finals appearance.

Injuries+players falling off are a non factor because you can literally say that amount any player, so thus paying any player lots of money and term is a bad idea because of that possibility. Shesterkin is one of a kind and he has earned his money.

If he took less than 10 it would be criminal with the cap going to likely 100+ million in the coming years, so that puts him in the 11-13 range, at the end of the day you're not going to lose a cup based on saving 1-2 million on your top end players and if that were the case everybody should've been expecting McDrai to take 10-12 and leave the team a ton of cap.

Bottom line is Shesty has earned it by showing up in the playoffs, you can win paying goalies a ton and ultimately you actually have to pay your best players.

 

[Darren McCord]

In 2018-2019
Price signed a contract at th2 age of 31 of 10.5 mill for 13.21% of the cap. Price had 1 Vezina

Igor has 1 Vezina already.
In 2025-2026 the cap is expected to be 92.5 million. 13.21% of the cap is 12.2million

Igor will be only 29 and should be getting 12-12.5 easy.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Ok but New York doesn't have McDavid and they're not going to get a McDavid. They have to forge their own path.

Granted if they have it on good record that McDavid is going to sign with the Rangers, then yeah sure, let Igor walk. I think that's a bit unlikely.

As good as Allaire Is with goalies, they're not winning a Cup with an average goalie with the way they play.

 

[Breakers]

If he’s the best goaltender how come he didn’t win the vezina the past 2 seasons

Asking for a friend

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Dude at 11M AAV or higher is going to gut their team, Jesus.

I know he's insane but no joke I would rather sign another tandem for ~7M or 8M AAV total. It's very possible to do that and be competitive.

The Zibanejad contract is way worse for their competitive standing than Igor at 13-14M. I don't see how people are legit arguing that the best goaltender in the world and the guy who's consistently lights out isn't worth his ask.

If he’s the best goaltender how come he didn’t win the vezina the past 2 seasons

Asking for a friend

He had a horrendous start last year and still finished 4th in the Vezina race and then 22-23 he was probably the frontrunner until like March where I specifically remember the Devils bombed him in a game and had a few bad games before the playoffs started and then he had a .930 v NJ in round 1 and had no business losing that series