Per Friedman: Coyotes players told team moving to Utah starting next season (Mod warning post #50)

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TheLegend

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Hasn't the league already come out and said they're at Mullett next season regardless? Or is that only if Meruelo is successful

I think they’ve been non-committal. Daly hinted they probably would but Bettman has said switching schedules on a whim isn’t a problem.

Then…..

You’ve got Smith today posting a survey on social media asking “if” a team comes to SLC what name should they be called??
 
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The Coyotes Fans are not asking for anyone to give a shit about the team, franchise, etc. But we do give a shit about people posting things that they don't know anything about.

One poster talks about the economics of the team in Mullet and how they are making more money because operating costs are down because of ice maintenance etc and average price of tickets are up. All of this is true but it also supports the argument that in a new arena with more tickets available, the price will come down per ticket but you have a lot more to sell. The cost goes up to maintain the arena (though I am not sure the particular contract with ASU didn't account for the costs) but then you also get to realize a lot more revenue from concessions and advertising. So to paint it as of course they are making more money in Mullet is not an argument.

Everyone still seems to be missing the point on this article. No sources, no time frame. Because of that, it's pure speculation for HF. But I am here telling you, John Gambadoro and his radio program, doesn't have a grasp on the Coyotes' situation. Their program doesn't talk hockey except for obligatory interviews and score recaps. This is a shock value article designed to get clicks. Yet, no one wants to believe the Yotes fans here.

Tempe was a misstep by Meruelo, for sure. They did pay for polling and they did put up a lot of money in on the political side (again my friend ran the YES campaign and unfortunately my wife's firm handled the NO mailers). However, Meruelo recognized that he can't go to a public vote. He made the necessary correction(s) to his strategy.

Additionally, things came out in the Tempe campaign that signify he has the money to do this. The City of Tempe vetted his financials and had no issue. So now we are looking at a land auction, which only has another bidder 22% of the time in AZ, with a definitive auction date. The timeline is almost identical to the Tempe timeline in terms of moving out of Mullet and in to the new facility.

Meruelo has a clear history of buying distressed organizations and turning them around. He never sells them either.

So who are we to believe? Some loser radio talk show host presenting it is a current reach out to buyers or is it way more likely that at one point, Meruello was doing his due diligence (he'd get blown up for not doing it on HF) but still has an actual, effective plan to get an arena done finally?
lmao, you quoted me an wrote an essay, where my post says , “double post”.
You OK.
 
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TheLegend

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His rep's definitely taken a hit in recent years.
Nature of the beast when you bow to the whims of social media to make your living instead of doing real honest journalism.

The rewards are great, but when you miss the kick in the groin smarts.
 

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Nature of the beast when you bow to the whims of social media to make your living instead of doing real honest journalism.

The rewards are great, but when you miss the kick in the groin smarts.

indeed.

Perfect example of someone not doing their job as a journalist. Gmabo threw this out on social media.


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my thought is oh good lord that what if is how the NHL gets their butts sued in courts. NHL can't interfere with that auction nor can they move the team anyways and force the owner out even if they win the auction.
 
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Nature of the beast when you bow to the whims of social media to make your living instead of doing real honest journalism.

The rewards are great, but when you miss the kick in the groin smarts.
Insiders, hard to call them journalists. He was let go by one of the big media companies. Trying to remain relevant. Can't tell by his looks, but he is only 35. I honestly, thought he was mid 40's. So, he's doing what he can to be relevant since he is a long way from retirement.
 
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Insiders, hard to call them journalists. He was let go by one of the big media companies. Trying to remain relevant. Can't tell by his looks, but he is only 35. I honestly, thought he was mid 40's. So, he's doing what he can to be relevant since he is a long way from retirement.

Blew my mind when I found that out......the side by side comparison with the older Sidney Crosby is ridiculous. :laugh:
 

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indeed.

Perfect example of someone not doing their job as a journalist. Gmabo threw this out on social media.


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my thought is oh good lord that what if is how the NHL gets their butts sued in courts. NHL can't interfere with that auction nor can they move the team anyways and force the owner out even if they win the auction.
Why can’t the NHL relocate a team, they prefer not too move teams. Nothing I’ve seen says they can’t.
 
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The Sonics relocated for less, the Rams in both instances, the Jets, Nords relocated for less, hell even the Whalers. But the Yotes have remained, goody for them.
Untrue about the Rams


The Rams came back because Stan Kroenke saw a chance to make a pile of money and the NFL realized they were losing a ton of fans after the second biggest market in the nation was bare for 20 years
 
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Oh that’s not good, not enough water it says, didn’t realize that issue.

It’s not the issue that it’s being blown up to be. Standing laws in Arizona require developers need to guarantee they have a minimum 100 year supply of water within the area they build.

And in this case it’s Phoenix’s water here at stake, not Scottsdale’s.

However Scottsdale has been in a two year long feud with a neighboring community that was built on the promise the water would come from them. But there was no documented plan in place so Scottsdale eventually turned the access off. The battle eventually reached the state level and as far as I know for now it was resolved. That community gets water now from an outside source that is delivered through Scottsdale’s system.
 
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It’s not the issue that it’s being blown up to be. Standing laws in Arizona require developers need to guarantee they have a minimum 100 year supply of water within the area they build.

And in this case it’s Phoenix’s water here at stake, not Scottsdale’s.

However Scottsdale has been in a two year long feud with a neighboring community that was built on the promise the water would come from them. But there was no documented plan in place so Scottsdale eventually turned the access off. The battle eventually reached the state level and as far as I know for now it was resolved. That community gets water now from an outside source that is delivered through Scottsdale’s system.
Thanks for the water issue update
 

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There's a literally a statement from XG and Meruelo that everything will be paid for by Meruelo including the water hookups and utilities. It's a non issue. The Scottsdale mayor can eat dirt, he can't do anything about the arena or whatever it's used for.

I'm sure there are plenty of well meaning people in this thread who simply don't have the time and energy to look into every detail and interview and podcast where information is, but man is it annoying to see people who don't have a clue bitch about things that have already been solved or aren't an issue in the first place. Like the deal with Tempe where somehow nobody bothered to look it up and see that Meruelo was paying for all of that either.
 
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Counterargument: The Chicago Bears averaged north of 60,000 fans per game last season. I haven't checked the years prior but I'm willing to bet they were about the same.
Not really sure how that's a counterargument, considering the Bears only had 8 home games which makes it a lot easier for fans - home and visiting - to plan a trip around and not have it screw with work, but ... whatever makes you happy, I guess.

(Also, sticking with hockey, 19,000+ fans per game, for one of the worst teams in hockey, is still a pretty damn good turnout)
But it's still not capacity. And, it's really not what the team was previously drawing - which, in large part, has to do with the on-ice performance of the team.

Why can’t the NHL relocate a team, they prefer not too move teams. Nothing I’ve seen says they can’t.
The league doesn't have the power to forcibly relocate any team. The decision on whether to relocate (and to where) is fully vested within the grant of rights for operating a franchise in the league; the league merely retains the right to approve of any relocation.

If the Coyotes were to fall back into the league's hands, theoretically the league could then relocate it. In reality, it would sell the franchise and all the rights in the franchise grant (and the franchise's player assets) to a preferred bidder and allow that person/entity to move the team to wherever he/she/it wanted, as both would have been pre-approved by the league before the sale.
 
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