That 2027 2nd still makes me laugh. Dubas is pretty much outlining 2-3 years of purgatory until a proper rebuild. Watch Sid and Geno hit some milestones for a few years and that’s about it.
Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: We Hayes Dubas's offseason moves so far
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Gurglesons
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Dubas getting a 2nd and a 3rd for taking on Kevin Hayes is nice work tbh.
Makes it look better.
Makes it look better.
Getting extra picks off of another team is good. Maybe Dubas can turn around and get paid by Edmonton for a cap dump 
Gurglesons
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Dubas and Armstrong have traded together something like 13 times since Dubas was made GM.
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I don’t really think it’s a plan as much as it’s just getting the highest return you can. Some GMs care little about picks so far out they might not even be the GM when it comes time, Dubas knows he’ll be around. Generally picks further out have lower trade value. That is we probably weren’t ever going to get a ‘25 2nd for Smith. Maybe a ‘25 3rd.
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Getting extra picks off of another team is good. Maybe Dubas can turn around and get paid by Edmonton for a cap dump
The players they'd be trying to dump are probably Kulak, Kane or Ceci. I'd take Kulak, but we don't need another LHD and big no on Kane or Ceci.
Why does it matter when the picks are?
The assumption is that no player outside of the 1st round is going to be playing within the Sid era unless we really hit a home run. Bring in as many picks as possible and then you have the assets to trade if you are competitive without totally robbing the farm.
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I think it would only matter if our prospect pool was absolutely bereft of talent, which thanks to Dubas it no longer is. I mean it's not great but we have some prospects on the assembly line at least. So with that I'd be willing to take picks further out if it means they are higher or there's more of them.
We didn’t get an extra pick…all we did is move St Louis’ 2nd from next year to 2026 and in exchange for that we got to move up from a 5th round pick we gave them to a 3rd…we just increased the round we’re picking in…not really a great dealGetting extra picks off of another team is good. Maybe Dubas can turn around and get paid by Edmonton for a cap dump
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It's also Ottawa's 3rd, which has a decent chance of being higher than St. Louis'.
Ok, fine it's not an extra pick. But getting a 3rd for a 5th is still a good day.
Empoleon8771
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This is 100000% nitpicking but I think the Penguins could have done this deal without giving up the 5th as well. But like I said, completely nitpicking.
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Gurglesons
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Agree but it still seems like we could’ve gotten more out of St Louis for this, as Emp said..
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no reason to burn bridges. you might need them at a later date. you will only make enemies if they think you are taking advantage of them. sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not.
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I assume this is you paraphrasing Yohe?
I don't agree that the lack of corp sponsors and ticket sales have anything to do with Sid's new deal because those potential buyers and sponsors know he will be on the team for the upcoming season. And it's August - what buzz SHOULD there be about the Penguins? This is the deadest time of the year for hockey in general. Lack of "buzz" means absolutely nothing at the moment.
Just seems like he's reaching quite a bit. Someone reported and wrote an article that there's discussions back and forth about the implications of a 35+ contract. How you structure a deal certainly has more impact being 35+ than a non 35+.
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Sounds like Kane might be on the block? He needs surgery and will start on LTIR most likely. You MIGHT be able to get a team to take him if the goal is to make room to sign either or both. I think Broberg is gone. No way do you matcha $4.5mil deal for him. Holloway is more interesting.
Would be a wild turn of events if Holloway is sent to StL and then StL and Dubas turn back around do a trade for him. A Holloway in the system is exactly what we need. I would gladly give them the 2nd back for him in hopes that he becomes a future 2C. Worst case 3C.
Just because it's summer and I'm bored:
DOC-Sid-Rust
Beauvillier-Holloway-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Yager
Lizotte-Hayes-Poulin
would be an interesting lineup.
Side note: Read that interesting in Laine is incredibly soft which isn't really a surprise. If you could get the CBJ to retain 50% and reduce that to $4.35, it would be interesting. I might be willing to do something like Eller/Acciari+Broz+3rd for Laine @50%. Still lots of interesting possibilities out there to adjust the roster before training camp starts.
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Seems like a smart move to me.
What? it's great value, not sure how you can see it otherwise.
AuroraBorealis
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They're desperate. They want to offer sheet someone and needed their 2nd back to do it.
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