Gurglesons
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Just get a better return than Whitney and Tangradi.
Yeah, his play gets really overblown.
Loved the dude tho.
Absolute stud in 2017’s run.
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Just get a better return than Whitney and Tangradi.
Yeah, his play gets really overblown.
Loved the dude tho.
Absolute stud in 2017’s run.
Fordy
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#12.... not great but as excited as everyone was for iginla, i could have ran through a wall. and he was my favorite non pens player
pistolpete11
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I think Dumo was the right guy at the right time with the right partner at the right cap hit.
He was never a $7M/year kinda guy who you could put on any team and he'd be their top pairing LD and carry the pairing. But he was good and he fit perfectly for what the Pens needed.
Pens had Cole, Horny at the net, Kunitz with some jam and Sullivan just didn't think that was important to winning. His record since shows that. Dubas is adding some of that and sullivan to me has to grasp todays NHL need to have balance. If he doesn't, then fire him.
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AuroraBorealis
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When your offensive schematic is that dependant on point shots, you goddamn better have good net-front presence.
Sidney the Kidney
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In a general sense, sure. But when people start tossing out comparables like Jamie Benn, Matthew Tkachuk or Jason Robertson as McGroarty's "upside potential", then Kunitz is a bit of a letdown.
My bigger point is you can't build around a Kunitz. He's a supporting player when you've already got stars/elite players. Those other three names, you can be successful if they're your top or second best player.
Big Friggin Dummy
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McGroarty isn't a building block. Neither was Yager. /shrug
Hopefully this doesn’t translate to “Holy sweet tap-dancing McGeeus, this guy sure is trash”
* at least here under Sullivan as “coach”
And yes, f*** Edmonton
OnMyOwn
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I feel like McGroarty could be like Dustin Brown was for LA. Not a stud, but a leader on a cup team.
He's got a small chance of being a building block but seems far more likely that he'll just be a solid top nine forward.
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It would be nice to have a young guy whose ceiling doesn't top out at 15G/15A per year.
AuroraBorealis
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You can squeeze out 40 points from a lot of guys if you pump the usage. Needs to be worth it though.
On the flipside, Sullivan is fully capable of preventing someone from reaching 30, by putting him in a position to fail.
So let's see how McGroarty is used first.
Jacob
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I always picked 13 because I was born on the 13th and it tended to be a Russian/Euro number and I liked those guys more than the American and Canadian plugs. When I got to the freshman team 13 was taken so I switched to 8 since Selanne went from 13 to 8.
It sounds like, from reading the more knowledgeable takes, people are setting themselves up to be disappointed. McGroarty isn’t a player you build around. The Pens haven’t been in a position to acquire that kind of prospect in quite some time.
AuroraBorealis
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14th overall picks from 2005-2015:
Sasha Pokulok, Michael Grabner, Kevin Shattenkirk, Zach Boychuk, Dmitry Kulikov, Jaden Schwartz, Jamie Oleksiak, Zemgus Girgensons, Alex Wennberg, Julius Honka, Jake DeBrusk
A guy like McGroarty can be a solid contributing piece on a Cup contender somewhere, even if he's not a line driver.
There's nothing wrong with that at 14th overall. If people are expecting more then that's on them for not knowing draft history.
Team results are achieved through the cumulative efforts of all the players.
Vegas reached the Finals in 2018 with their top Forward being 23rd in league scoring.
What they lacked in elite talent, they made up for with the high average quality of their depth chart.
The Pens could take the same approach and be successful. They need to keep loading up their farm, as much as they can.
Even if those guys aren't in Pittsburgh by the time the Pens are ready to make deep runs again, they can be traded for players that will be.
Honour Over Glory
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See I think Rutger McGroarty will be like Joe Dziedzic or Eric Tangradi. That way there's only one way to go and that's up.
I’m already penciling him in for an Art Ross. Possible hall of fame nomination.
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HandshakeLine
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Penicillin me in hoss. (Bartender tells me I’m cut off and that I really really need to leave.)
Randy Butternubs
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Can't help but want Hayes to have an amazing season given all he's gone through recently.
So. Sid 3 year 10 m a year. but ha gets 1m/year the first 3 (cap hit) then 27 over 3 years after that since it doesnt count against the cap? Am i understanding it right? That if a player gets paid after the vontract ends, it doesnt count against the cap?
Perfect for FSG to flex their financial muscles then?
Perfect for FSG to flex their financial muscles then?
Jacob
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Yep, I love it…then he can transition to coach and finally Sullivan can be fired lol…or who am I kidding…he’ll just be promoted
I mean I don’t know the parameters of a post contract bonus but didn’t Jarvis and CAR just do something similar to lower his cap hit?
Carolina just did it. And form what i understand theres no rules how much cash you can pay later?
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