Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: Dull days of August... Oooo! A trade!

[Empoleon8771]

To be serious there's no way this happens if GMMS doesn't sign off on it. So he should probably be given an ACTUAL chance, here. That's encouraging if not in the most ass way possible.

Yeah that's why I'm not worried about McGroarty not getting a chance here. McGroarty wouldn't have agreed to be traded here if Dubas and Sullivan gave him "you'll be in WBS" indications.

 

[Ryder71]

Nah Dubas earned some respect here.



Dude took a gamble because he and his staff simply thought McGroarty is the better prospect.

I think he is slightly better, I'd give the trade a very solid B!

That doesn't mean this move transforms this team into a playoff contender however. Might make TC a bit more interesting.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

I think he is slightly better, I'd give the trade a very sold B!

That doesn't mean this move transforms this team into a playoff contender however. Might make TC a bit more interesting.

If nothing else, ideally he gives Crosby a Jake Guentzel type of line mate to continue climbing the points list.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Agreed but I think we can say that for just about anyone making sub-$1mil. He's a 30-35pt per 82 player based on stats last year. I am really rooting for him to break out this year but from what I saw in his game, I have doubts. The harsher reality is that there are dozens of 30pt players in the league that will play for sub-$1mil. I think Puustinen will be a fine stop-gap middle-6 winger for us until some of our other younger guys come up - Yager, Pono, Koivunene, Howe, etc. I'm not saying his fate is sealed but I'm suggesting that he is more Simon than Rust/Sheary/Jake.

I discourage people from looking at points per game and basing off that, especially with bottom-sixers who may be getting too many or too few minutes, based on what they deserve. Case by case basis is better.
For example Glass reached 35 points, but he needed 14:46 a night to do it. That's not the same thing as Puustinen getting 11:45 like last year.
Over one night it doesn't seem like a huge diff, but over the course of a full season that's 19% less ice time. Or if you look at that over 82 games, that's like Puustinen sitting for 15 of them, compared to Glass.

Well if he's like Simon then that's pretty damning. So far I've seen zero indication of that. His shot's definitely in a different league, for one thing. Don't see the similarities, outside of them both being small.

 

[Big Poppa Pump]

I will say if there's one thing that I don't love about what I'm hearing with Mcgroaty's game is people saying that he needs to improve his skating.

Bad skating is the number one thing that ruins prospects I feel like. Hopefully that doesn't happen here.

And that's why I don't think he plays with Sid, unless there's some improvement.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I discourage people from looking at points per game and basing off that, especially with bottom-sixers who may be getting too many or too few minutes, based on what they deserve. Case by case basis is better.
For example Glass reached 35 points, but he needed 14:46 a night to do it. That's not the same thing as Puustinen getting 11:45 like last year.
Over one night it doesn't seem like a huge diff, but over the course of a full season that's 19% less ice time. Or if you look at that over 82 games, that's like Puustinen sitting for 15 of them, compared to Glass.

Well if he's like Simon then that's pretty damning. So far I've seen zero indication of that. His shot's definitely in a different league, for one thing. Don't see the similarities, outside of them both being small.

I mean, the dude had 5 goals in 52 games. It doesn't mean much if his shot is in "a different league" than Simon's if he's scoring at an 8 goal pace.

 

[Ryder71]

If nothing else, ideally he gives Crosby a Jake Guentzel type of line mate to continue climbing the points list.

I don't care about that, I care about accruing picks and prospects to help further the long term viability of the team.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I mean, the dude had 5 goals in 52 games. It doesn't mean much if his shot is in "a different league" than Simon's if he's scoring at an 8 goal pace.

I don't think it will last though, is what I'm saying. We're looking at career projections.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think it will last though, is what I'm saying. We're looking at career projections.

Between the two, Simon actually has the best goal scoring season in the AHL. Simon's best year was 25 goals in 68 games, while Puustinen's best year was 24 goals in 72 games.

 

[Turin]

I'm not seeing a lot of people noting how we upgraded in physiognomy pretty significantly here. Much needed.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah that's why I'm not worried about McGroarty not getting a chance here. McGroarty wouldn't have agreed to be traded here if Dubas and Sullivan gave him "you'll be in WBS" indications.

Usually I'd sorta hate this kind of attitude from a young player but it puts the Penguins in a position where they have to at least make room for ONE promising young player this season.

Still don't think they trade Eller, though. Even though it seems painfully obvious.

 

[Jacob]

Puustinen is better than that 5.8% shooting percentage.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Puustinen is better than that 5.8% shooting percentage.

Is he, though? His AHL goal pace is effectively identical to Simon's, who had a career 6.2% shooting% in the NHL.

In terms of career AHL stats:

Puustinen: 49 goals and 114 points in 169 games
Simon: 44 goals and 111 points in 159 games

In terms of career AHL shooting%, Simon is at 13.3% (44 goals on 331 shots) while Puustinen is at 11.6% (49 goals on 422 shots).

 

[Turin]

One of Eller or Acciari has gotta go, right? Having a hard time figuring out the bottom six if McGroarty is making the team.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Puus has a much better shot in basically all categories over Simon. The problem to me is at least at the NHL level he doesn't quite have the skating/IQ to be in the best spots to use it. Plus he's a little slow getting it off IMO.

 

[The Old Master]

I would have yager a little higher as a righty and center over a lw. but my biggest fear was that yager was not gaining size despite all the work he put in to do so. and while I thought that it would happen quickly it now seems it might not happen at all. so, it's a safe trade. and could be a good one. (or not)

 

[DearDiary]

McGroaty is the type of player that becomes Sullivans pet. At least the fans can be happy that the Pens got a prospect who will be given a long leash.

 

[Jacob]

Is he, though? His AHL goal pace is effectively identical to Simon's, who had a career 6.2% shooting% in the NHL.

In terms of career AHL stats:

Puustinen: 49 goals and 114 points in 169 games
Simon: 44 goals and 111 points in 159 games

In terms of career AHL shooting%, Simon is at 13.3% (44 goals on 331 shots) while Puustinen is at 11.6% (49 goals on 422 shots).

I just recall him getting some good lucks and dinging some posts. He’s not a 20 goal guy, at least not without top-6 time and PP time, but in a bottom 6 I can see him scoring 12-ish goals if his linemates are competent. He was kind of snake-bit even in the AHL last year.

 

[Tom Hanks]

One of Eller or Acciari has gotta go, right? Having a hard time figuring out the bottom six if McGroarty is making the team.

It’s gotta be Acciari.

 

[Turin]

It’s gotta be Acciari.

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Just don't know if they can offload him yet after his year last year. Then again GMs love his type so.. probably.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think Acciari is about the only one I could see moved. But couldn't they also just like... f*** over Glass or something?

 

[Jacob]

I think we have an opportunity with McGroarty and even O’Connor to spread the offense out into 3 lines. Both can be in the top 6.

I could also see Sullivan starting McGroarty lower and slowly moving him up.

 

[Andy99]

I would have yager a little higher as a righty and center over a lw. but my biggest fear was that yager was not gaining size despite all the work he put in to do so. and while I thought that it would happen quickly it now seems it might not happen at all. so, it's a safe trade. and could be a good one. (or not)

I mean center over LW, ESPECIALLY top six center, and Yager is a finisher with a great shot and mcGroaty is not…skating also favors Yager…so they traded for a slower, less good scorer who’s more physical and plays a less premium position…it doesn’t make sense unless they believe that Yager is not top six material, even if he hasn’t put on the requisite muscle yet…again, seems to come down to the fact that they don’t think Yager will be all that good …I hope they’re right, but it’s the only way to rationalize this trade

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Poulin is getting waived and claimed elsewhere unless he blows us away in camp which I doubt he does. Hope I’m wrong but idc really.

He'll get waived and someone else will pick him up, then after a month or two he'll get waived again and the Pens will (probably) re-claim him and stash him back in WBS.

 

[Jacob]

I think we should plug Poulin in as the 13th forward no matter what happens in camp.