Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[metalan2]

Guentzel and Smith being on this roster make zero difference in terms of wins and losses. Trade them, get picks, and we still will have the same record if they were here.

 

[The Old Master]

I really wonder who the player-for-player swaps are that Dubas is targeting or thinking about. Bunting from Carolina makes sense. Honestly, Mikheyev makes sense as well.

The comparables are tough - either I don't think a team does it or vice versa. Outside of those two, it's tough. That assumes they are talking a forward around the $4mil-$6mil range.

Kuzmenko
Gourde
Dvorak
Fabbri
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Schmaltz
Kane
Pageau
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Gallagher
Copp
J. Anderson
Burakovsky
Coleman

That's comparable "maybes" for the next three years (each section is when they become a UFA - first 4 UFAs this year, next three UFAs next year, and the others the year after).

If Kane is truly an issue in the locker room, maybe a Kane-Smith swap? Swapping for Dvorak and making him 3C could work well potentially.


Source?

it's Andy, he would say 4 firsts are a bad deal.

 

[Ryder71]

GUT. IT.

It doesn't matter how many roster players GMKD ships out, I will not be satisfied.

My biggest concern is the value we extract in any and every deal. In particular WITH Jake. We need to hit a grand slam there. IF we do that the others aren't as is important because the return will be decidedly less. That's not to say you don't want to get a very good return on Smith and NED, .

Guentzel and Smith being on this roster make zero difference in terms of wins and losses. Trade them, get picks, and we still will have the same record if they were here.

Pretty much. Gotta accrue some future assets. This team is stale.

 

[Andy99]

 

[metalan2]

Would rather lose Guentzel for nothing than get a shitty 1st round pick and a nothing prospect and see him score 30 goals in the playoffs with McDavid.

I actually would too. There is no reason to rade Guentzel to Edmonton.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Oh I guess he just sucks, then.

 

[Ryder71]

FANTASTIC! But we still need to trade you. Farewell sweet prince!

 

[Turin]

You hear that other teams? He's a great guy and not a malcontent - pony up.

 

[The Old Master]

I actually would too. There is no reason to rade Guentzel to Edmonton.

but if the price is right...

 

[Ryder71]

Would rather lose Guentzel for nothing than get a shitty 1st round pick and a nothing prospect and see him score 30 goals in the playoffs with McDavid.

Well, that's just utter stupidity. Getting nothing for a player of that caliber on a team going nowhere fast is ridiculous. That said I think we'll do better than what you allege, but if not I'll take the late 1st and prospect because we're not winning anything anytime soon regardless.

I actually would too. There is no reason to rade Guentzel to Edmonton.

So, you'd rather get nothing? That's even more ridiculous.

but if the price is right...

It will be!

 

[Turin]

Well, that's just utter stupidity. Getting nothing for a player of that caliber on a team going nowhere fast is ridiculous. That said I think we'll do better than what you allege, but if not I'll take the late 1st and prospect because we're not winning anything anytime soon regardless.

Yea man, team gets to draft the next Sam Poulin while Guentzel wins McDavid a cup. Wooooo. No thanks.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yea man, team gets to draft the next Sam Poulin while Guentzel wins McDavid a cup. Wooooo. No thanks.

Now now... they MIGHT even get a Kasperi Kapanen!

Won't that be nice?

 

[Ryder71]

Yea man, team gets to draft the next Sam Poulin while Guentzel wins McDavid a cup. Wooooo. No thanks.

At least you get something, to get nothing and let him walk would be poor asset management and Dubas simply won't do that. Besides, picking late in the 1st round doesn't necessarily equate to getting a nothing player. It's much better than nothing which you're suggesting. Him being here helps no one!

Now now... they MIGHT even get a Kasperi Kapanen!

Won't that be nice?

Maybe they get a Patrice Bergeron, you don't know. But you don't settle for nothing. No GM in their right mind would do that.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

At least you get something, to get nothing and let him walk would be poor asset management and Dubas simply won't do that. Besides, picking late in the 1st round doesn't necessarily equate to getting a nothing player. It's much better than nothing which you're suggesting. Him being here helps no one!


Maybe they get a Patrice Bergeron, you don't know. But you don't settle for nothing. No GM in their right mind would do that.

Pfffffft THIS team? This team hasn't drafted diddly shit for like ten years. Even if they did they wouldn't actually put the work in to develop it.

If late firsts were actually worth much of anything half the teams around the league every early Spring wouldn't be hemorrhaging them as fast as they possibly could for the likes of Tanner Jeannot and whatnot. I don't care what they do with Jake frankly but if the package is centered around a bottom third first round pick it'll be a waste.

 

[Ryder71]

Pfffffft THIS team? This team hasn't drafted diddly shit for like ten years. Even if they did they wouldn't actually put the work in to develop it.

If late firsts were actually worth much of anything half the teams around the league every early Spring wouldn't be hemorrhaging them as fast as they possibly could for the likes of Tanner Jeannot and whatnot. I don't care what they do with Jake frankly but if the package is centered around a bottom third first round pick it'll be a waste.

I looked at '15 draft just randomly.
20th Erikcson EK
23rd Boeser
24th Koneckny
35th Aho
49TH Roope Hintz

There's no guarantees to be sure. But at least try to get some good young players in the system. Give Dubas a chance, see how his draft classes here pan out, my lord. Who cares how bad our drafting was prior?

 

[metalan2]

but if the price is right...

They truly have nothing to offer.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Oh I guess he just sucks, then.

... still f*** him and his eyebrows.

 

[Ryder71]

Why is everyone thinking we're only dealing with EDM? Come now.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Why is everyone think we're only dealing with EDM? Come now.

True. We could listen to country or gospel or prog. There's lots of options out there.

 

[Ryder71]

True. We could listen to country or gospel or prog. There's lots of options out there.

We're gonna get a haul for Jake, he's the Belle of the ball this deadline. How is our fanbase not seeing this?

OR, are they Jake fanbois and can't stand to part with him and watch the same tired and stale product until the bitter end? It'd be rather sad if that was the case. But a couple here seem to view it that way.

 

[The Old Master]

They truly have nothing to offer.

their first pick for the next 4 years?

 

[Andy99]

We're gonna get a haul for Jake, he's the Belle of the ball this deadline. How is our fanbase not seeing this?

Because of everything we’re hearing from Friedman, Seravelli etc…sounds like the return will be a letdown…we’ll see

 

[Ryder71]

Because of everything we’re hearing from Friedman, Seravelli etc…sounds like the return will be a letdown…we’ll see

Depends on your expectations. What are they?

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

We're gonna get a haul for Jake, he's the Belle of the ball this deadline. How is our fanbase not seeing this?

I only mentioned how much I hate them as a trade partner is because I saw another poster mention them and I cringe every time I see it. If we're getting a haul as you suggest, we can't possibly be dealing with Edmonton because Edmonton doesn't have a haul to offer.

Dallas, Vancouver, Vegas, Colorado, and Los Angeles are where the hauls could come from.

 

[The Old Master]

No GM in their right mind would do that.

what team have you been watching? we've been letting plays walk for years now.