Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[ChaosAgent]

I've never been a Poulin guy, but he's tied with Hinistroza in PPG, a +9 and looks from the stat lines to be one of the best players at WB/S which is a playoff team in the A.

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He has also never looked bad when he's gotten cameos up here, to my eye.

When you consider they are icing Carter who is a literal corpse on the ice and whose presence has led L4 to a "get hemmed in the zone for 45 seconds and hopefully don't get scored on and try to clear our own blue line without icing the puck."


Again, I'm not a prospect guzzler. But this seems obvious.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

There is a absolutely no reason for Poulin to still be in the AHL. .

Send down Bemstrom, scratch Carter.

Poulin-Acciari-Puljujarvi is a much better fourth line. Still plenty of PK guys with Rust, Smith, Acciari, DOC, and Eller. Have Poulin PK, too.

There is nothing stopping them from making the move other than their own desire.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I've never been a Poulin guy, but he's tied with Hinistroza in PPG, a +9 and looks from the stat lines to be one of the best players at WB/S which is a playoff team in the A.

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He has also never looked bad when he's gotten cameos up here, to my eye.

When you consider they are icing Carter who is a literal corpse on the ice and whose presence has led L4 to a "get hemmed in the zone for 45 seconds and hopefully don't get scored on and try to clear our own blue line without icing the puck."


Again, I'm not a prospect guzzler. But this seems obvious.

Hinostroza 26 points in 32 games in Wilkes. Not used over Harkins. And yes, not calling up Poulin now is dumb.
Nylander not tried beyond 5 games this year is absolutely ridiculous with the state of our flaccid depth chart.
Ty Smith 35 points in 55 games in Wilkes. Good stint last year at the NHL level. Unused this season, despite possibly being able to help a god awful power play.

This coach has no respect for the offensive side of the game. That's why they're 24th in the league at GF/GP.
That's why Reirden is untouchable, despite the PP being 29th.

The one thing Sullivan did correctly with the depth this year is use Puustinen. He's 3rd on the team in 5v5 P/P60. But even with him, Sully only gave him 37 out of 67 games.

I am just so utterly done with this coach. I've never felt less inclined to watch this team, and it's largely because of him.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Hinostroza 26 points in 32 games in Wilkes. Not used over Harkins. And yes, not calling up Poulin now is dumb.
Nylander not tried beyond 5 games this year is absolutely ridiculous with the state of our flaccid depth chart.
Ty Smith 35 points in 55 games in Wilkes. Good stint last year at the NHL level. Unused this season, despite possibly being able to help a god awful power play.

This coach has no respect for the offensive side of the game. That's why they're 24th in the league at GF/GP.
That's why Reirden is untouchable, despite the PP being 29th.

The one thing Sullivan did correctly with the depth this year is use Puustinen. He's 3rd on the team in 5v5 P/P60. But even with him, Sully only gave him 37 out of 67 games.

I am just so utterly done with this coach. I've never felt less inclined to watch this team, and it's largely because of him.

It isn't clear to me whether call-ups are a Sully only thing or Sully/Dubas.

Dubas could have taken Sully's toys away with Carter and Harkins, and didn't. He took away Ruhwedel I guess, but Ruhwedel was the least bad of the toys IMO.

Reirden is here because the org needs someone to fire if they choose to keep Sully (likely).

 

[AuroraBorealis]

It isn't clear to me whether call-ups are a Sully only thing or Sully/Dubas.

Dubas could have taken Sully's toys away with Carter and Harkins, and didn't. He took away Ruhwedel I guess, but Ruhwedel was the least bad of the toys IMO.

Reirden is here because the org needs someone to fire if they choose to keep Sully (likely).

It's a Sully thing. It's Sully's idea that the top 2 lines should produce almost all of the scoring, and the bottom 2 lines should be defensive slaves who almost never score.
Dubas merely adjusted to Mike's plan when coming here.

The problem is MS is overestimating the carry ability of this top-six. Sure, L1 produced enough for this meta, but L2 did not.
And when it's like that, you have to make concessions in other areas to compensate for these missing goals.

So on top of not respecting the need for depth scoring, he also neglected the need for the PP to score. And here we are, drowning in offensive futility.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Poulin probably kinda sucks but this team's had no issue playing guys who suck for years now, who simultaneously cost like 3x as much as Poulin--so, f*** it. Might as well. At worst, he sucks, at best, you have a cheap, relatively effective player.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Poulin probably kinda sucks but this team's had no issue playing guys who suck for years now, who simultaneously cost like 3x as much as Poulin--so, f*** it. Might as well. At worst, he sucks, at best, you have a cheap, relatively effective player.

It's about who sucks more. We use the guys who suck more than our in-house alternatives constantly over the last few years. It's very frustrating to watch.
Puustinen should have already been here last year. He had 59 points in 72 games for WBS, and the big club's scoring sucked. There was a need.
Nylander should have gotten the prior full season, since he was better than multiple guys we used as regulars.
Caggiula was a better option than some of our crap as well. 53 points in 65 games in Wilkes.
The list goes on.

Sullivan just doesn't know how to use what he has. It's as simple as that.

 

[Andy99]

Caps will be going to the playoffs, in a PO spot with their win tonight, and Pens won’t be…difference between firing your old coach or not lol…and bringing up more young players…Caps are just as old and Ovi is not even having a good season…no excuses

 

[Come on]

We didn’t sell correctly and now have to watch this dead in the water roster for another 20 games.

What does that even mean?

There is a absolutely no reason for Poulin to still be in the AHL. .

Send down Bemstrom, scratch Carter.

Poulin-Acciari-Puljujarvi is a much better fourth line. Still plenty of PK guys with Rust, Smith, Acciari, DOC, and Eller. Have Poulin PK, too.

There is nothing stopping them from making the move other than their own desire.

The fourth line hasn't been the issue lately.

 

[orby]

This team has other issues, but the extent to which the power play has hampered them cannot be overstated. With a merely average power play I think they would be playoff bound. Alas...

 

[ChaosAgent]

This team has other issues, but the extent to which the power play has hampered them cannot be overstated. With a merely average power play I think they would be playoff bound. Alas...

Thankfully according to the stat heads they have a guy in the 100th percentile of WAR there

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Make take on Poulin: Give me someone new, even if he's shit, at least he's new shit, not old shit.

 

[chethejet]

Poulin, Puusitinen, Ludvig and Doc is a start to the transition to a younger faster player on the roster. If Sullivan is back, Dubas has to tell him that he is back on one condition. play and develop the younger players. Add in the young center from the Guentzel trade, See if the TD they just sent down is an NHL caliber RD.

 

[Gurglesons]

Make take on Poulin: Give me someone new, even if he's shit, at least he's new shit, not old shit.

He’s played 3 games and just turned 23.

 

[Fordy]

Taking a year off for mental issues should have no effect on his career.

We’ve also seen it become significantly more common in the NHL. Knight who was taken in the same draft had problems.

It’s the COVID generation. I bet you see a ton of this shit moving forward given how f***ed up that experience must have been as an 16-20 year old.



No surprise you’re parroting this shit while creaming over Dubas’ lame acquisitions.

absolutely, it's becoming more common. sure, it shouldn't have an affect. but it does. and i absolutely agree it will become more common. but if we're just talking who makes the nhl and who doesn't? imo it's a big factor

 

[Gurglesons]

absolutely, it's becoming more common. sure, it shouldn't have an affect. but it does. and i absolutely agree it will become more common. but if we're just talking who makes the nhl and who doesn't? imo it's a big factor

Why is it a big factor?

Seems like a very old man take and I assume we are both around the same age.

Players getting mental health resolutions probably will extend their careers if anything. Look at how many idiots we had come through here that completely ruined their career because of the inability to control their vices.. Stevens and Malone come to mind immediately.

Poulin has been NHL caliber for about two years now. Just like Puustinen.

If the Penguins gave him a chance he'd be having the same impact.

The issue is our franchise isn't about giving chances to young players. They'll probably lose him in a trade next year after giving him 8 games of 5+ minutes or not even sign him.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If the Pens re-sign Carter I'm gonna lose my mind. I don't think even the Doobler is that foolish but...

Have you not watched how this team has operated over the last little while? I put nothing past them at this point. Especially if Sullivan the Almighty wants him back.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

I don't know where to post this but Lebrun has an article on the athletic with Dubas. Has anybody read it? Anything good?

 

[MrBurghundy]

LeBrun: Penguins’ Kyle Dubas on ‘tough’ trades and why he won’t discuss Toronto departure

In the meantime, Dubas once again firmly backed his head coach Mike Sullivan, who has a contract extension that kicks in next season.

“I think if you go down that path that maybe the public wants you to go down (making a coaching change), then you’re back in the market of trying to find Mike Sullivan,’’ Dubas said. “To me, it’s not something… it would probably have to be a mutual thing where he felt that, and I felt that way, and I don’t feel that way at all right now.’’

He also talks about starting discussions with Sid's extension when the season ends, and his intention to have him retire as a Penguin. Also that he consults with Sid on major decisions like trading Jake, even if they don't always agree on what those decisions are.

Essentially the need to balance getting younger and rebuilding with trying to contend right now.

 

[Andy99]

LeBrun: Penguins’ Kyle Dubas on ‘tough’ trades and why he won’t discuss Toronto departure


He also talks about starting discussions with Sid's extension when the season ends, and his intention to have him retire as a Penguin. Also that he consults with Sid on major decisions like trading Jake, even if they don't always agree on what those decisions are.

Essentially the need to balance getting younger and rebuilding with trying to contend right now.

He also places Rust in the “core” along with Sullivan, Sid, Geno, Letang and EK lol…Folks, Sullivan isn’t going anywhere so I won’t be watching next season unless some other exciting young players are playing 15 min a night in the top six lol

 

[Fogel]

If Poulin isn't NHL material because he took off a year for mental health, what do you call Fleury when he was here and not taking time to address his very apparent mental issues that turned into playoff debacles? He didn't address his issues and it very clearly cost his team.

 

[Sideline]

"It would probably have to be a mutual" is not how you describe hypothetically firing an employee you have the authority to fire.

 

[Andy99]

"It would probably have to be a mutual" is not how you describe hypothetically firing an employee you have the authority to fire.

Yep, it’s clear from all the statements he’s given that he cannot fire Sullivan lol so he has to spout over the top nonsense about him

 

[Ryder71]

Why is it a big factor?

Seems like a very old man take and I assume we are both around the same age.

Players getting mental health resolutions probably will extend their careers if anything. Look at how many idiots we had come through here that completely ruined their career because of the inability to control their vices.. Stevens and Malone come to mind immediately.

Poulin has been NHL caliber for about two years now. Just like Puustinen.

If the Penguins gave him a chance he'd be having the same impact.

The issue is our franchise isn't about giving chances to young players. They'll probably lose him in a trade next year after giving him 8 games of 5+ minutes or not even sign him.

He's NHL caliber based on what exactly? That's your opinion but don't pass it off as fact. He has a lot to prove before we can conclusively say that.

You're guessing as to IF he'd have an impact here. IMO HE's a bust. But IF he isn't he'll have to actually do something to warrant a call up. He's in the minor leagues and not exactly lighting it up. Not even that great away from the puck. 26 points in 33 games as a 23 yr old, meh.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Poulin probably kinda sucks but this team's had no issue playing guys who suck for years now, who simultaneously cost like 3x as much as Poulin--so, f*** it. Might as well. At worst, he sucks, at best, you have a cheap, relatively effective player.

Yeah I think he’s looked and is gonna look similar to Harkins talent wise in the NHL, but makes no sense to not get a look at him before he is waiver eligible next season.

Also he’s a 1st round pick? Why are we not bending over backwards to give him opportunity?