Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[SEALBound]

Still think if Jake goes its going to be relatively underwhelming for many of you and thats if he goes

Yeah but when was the last time we had this much fun discussing selling a major asset for a haul of young futures?

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

8 mill? Just sign him at that point lol, he’ll be a total bargain in a year or two again.

If the prospect is Hoglander or Lekkerimaki +++, that trade IMO is a no brainer. I have a good feeling we will fleece the Canucks here

Yeah but when was the last time we had this much fun discussing selling a major asset for a haul of young futures?

On a hockey's future site !!! lol The last time I was this excited was at the Pittsburgh draft in 2012 when we traded Staal only to draft Pouliot instead of Forsberg lol

 

[Rakell67]

Vancouver doesn't have their 2024 1st or 2nd, would this factor in them having to give a bigger prospect(s)?

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

On a hockey's future site !!! lol The last time I was this excited was at the Pittsburgh draft in 2012 when we traded Staal only to draft Pouliot instead of Forsberg lol

Stupid f***ing Shero and his obsession with Winterhawks defensemen.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Vancouver doesn't have their 2024 1st or 2nd, would this factor in them having to give a bigger prospect(s)?

Perhaps that's where 2 prospects comes in instead of a 1st and 1 prospects. Unless Dubas gets the young player he really wants the most of the 2 and then settles for the Canucks 1st in 2025 which he can flip at that point for a player this summer

 

[Ryder71]

Vancouver doesn't have their 2024 1st or 2nd, would this factor in them having to give a bigger prospect(s)?

Honestly, I'd prefer a '25 1st. Is supposedly a better crop. Also, the Canucks They're having a great year, more likely they drop off next season.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Stupid f***ing Shero and his obsession with Winterhawks defensemen.

That was I think the turning point for me when I was completely over Shero.

 

[Ryder71]

If the prospect is Hoglander or Lekkerimaki +++, that trade IMO is a no brainer. I have a good feeling we will fleece the Canucks here


On a hockey's future site !!! lol The last time I was this excited was at the Pittsburgh draft in 2012 when we traded Staal only to draft Pouliot instead of Forsberg lol

Yeah, I thought we were sure to take Forsberg. Pretty big punch to the gut.

 

[Ryder71]

I want two of these three assets

A. LEKK and HOGs

B. LEKK +'25 1st

C. HOG's +'25 1st

If they need to add a player for cap reasons ok.

 

[SEALBound]

On a hockey's future site !!! lol The last time I was this excited was at the Pittsburgh draft in 2012 when we traded Staal only to draft Pouliot instead of Forsberg lol

12 years ago but I remember that sinking feelings like it was yesterday. That utter feeling of emptiness and despair.

Vancouver doesn't have their 2024 1st or 2nd, would this factor in them having to give a bigger prospect(s)?

I don't think so honestly. If Dubas is being realistic and thinks the team will end up bottom 10, we keep the pick and transfer ours to SJ. Getting a 2025 1st in that case would be just fine by me.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I think we'll finish well inside top 20.

We'll have zero % chance to get 1OA and we'll most very likely not get into the top ten anyway via the secondary draft order drawing.

It seems highly likely the first rounder is going out this year to SJS.

The issue I have getting a first round pick for jake this year, is, we are only trading with contenders, who I don't value getting a #30 first round pick from...you could run the long game and hope you trade for a team that won't replicate success next year if you want a 2025 pick, i guess.

Rather just get players who can jumpstart the rebuild now.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I want two of these three assets

A. LEKK and HOGs

B. LEKK +'25 1st

C. HOG's +'25 1st

If they need to add a player for cap reasons ok.

These aren't equal packages though. Vancouver would choose C without hesitation or second thoughts.

 

[Empoleon8771]

These aren't equal packages though. Vancouver would choose C without hesitation or second thoughts.

I wouldn't be so sure about this. Hoglander is an inferior asset to Lekkerimaki, but Hoglander is actually helping their NHL team this year and is on a super cheap deal next year. His teammates also really like him.

I still think a sign-and-trade where it's Mikheyev, Lekkerimaki and a 2025 1st for Guentzel is the most reasonable outcome here. That is very similar to both the Pacioretty (Tatar, Suzuki and a 2nd) and Stone (Lindberg, Brannstrom and a 2nd) sign-and-trades that happened a few years ago.

 

[The Old Master]

Vancouver doesn't have their 2024 1st or 2nd, would this factor in them having to give a bigger prospect(s)?

at this time, i think the 25 drafts will be deeper than this years. plus we should be picking higher than we are now so it might be easier to bundle the picks to get a even higher pick. and get our franchise player.

 

[Empoleon8771]

-Guentzel with an extension to Vancouver for Mikheyev, Lekkerimaki and a 2025 1st
-Smith to Florida for Cousins and a 2024 3rd
-Nedjelkovic and Phillips to Edmonton for a 2024 2nd

For the rest of this year, run with this top-9:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Mikheyev-Malkin-Bemstrom
O'Connor-Eller-Puustinen

Next year, Lekkerimaki slides onto Malkin's RW and whoever is better between Bemstrom and Puustinen will be the 3rd line RW (probably Bemstrom if I had to guess). You'll be sitting with about $18 million in cap space with that base.

The biggest concern I have here is I'm not sure I'm sold on Rakell as a LWer with Crosby long-term. If I was fully confident that Crosby would be fine with it, I wouldn't have any issues. But Crosby is particular and he may not be okay with having 2 righty linemates going forward. I think Mikheyev-Malkin-Lekkerimaki would be a dope 2nd line if Lekkerimaki ends up as good as he projects to be, though.

 

[MayorofWBS]

I wouldn't mind if Mathieu Cataford or Kaedan Korczak were part of a deal with Vegas. Korczak isn't anything super special but he could take the 3rd pairing RD next year in the NHL. Cataford is still on track for projecting as a middle six RW. Still has lot of developing but has decent NHL size now and hockey IQ.

 

[Darren McCord]

-Guentzel with an extension to Vancouver for Mikheyev, Lekkerimaki and a 2025 1st
-Smith to Florida for Cousins and a 2024 3rd
-Nedjelkovic and Phillips to Edmonton for a 2024 2nd

For the rest of this year, run with this top-9:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Mikheyev-Malkin-Bemstrom
O'Connor-Eller-Puustinen

Next year, Lekkerimaki slides onto Malkin's RW and whoever is better between Bemstrom and Puustinen will be the 3rd line RW (probably Bemstrom if I had to guess). You'll be sitting with about $18 million in cap space with that base.

The biggest concern I have here is I'm not sure I'm sold on Rakell as a LWer with Crosby long-term. If I was fully confident that Crosby would be fine with it, I wouldn't have any issues. But Crosby is particular and he may not be okay with having 2 righty linemates going forward. I think Mikheyev-Malkin-Lekkerimaki would be a dope 2nd line if Lekkerimaki ends up as good as he projects to be, though.

Honestly if he puts on a little weight in the summer. I’d try Yager in camp on Sid’s wing.

He has the nhl shot. Let him break in as a wing and learn from sid.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Honestly if he puts on a little weight in the summer. I’d try Yager in camp on Sid’s wing.

He has the nhl shot. Let him break in as a wing and learn from sid.

There isn't a spot for him there until Rakell isn't on the team anymore.

 

[Ryder71]

These aren't equal packages though. Vancouver would choose C without hesitation or second thoughts.

I know they aren't equal. lol I figured they'd opt for C.

 

[Rudy Russo]

On X, Frank Servalli is posting the Canucks are making significant progress on a eight years extension with Elias Pettersson.

 

[Empoleon8771]

 

[Josey Wales]

2nd RD pick, conditional 3rd RD pick & Artem Grushnikov to Flames for Chris Tanev

 

[Sideline]

Basically 2 2nds and a 3rd for Tanev at 50%. Gotta think Jake is worth more than that.

 

[Ryder71]

Basically 2 2nds and a 3rd for Tanev at 50%. Gotta think Jake is worth more than that.

Oh my, a lot more. He's a couple tiers higher on the totem pole to be sure.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Basically 2 2nds and a 3rd for Tanev at 50%. Gotta think Jake is worth more than that.

I would imagine so. Younger and is a PPG player.