Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[chethejet]

Pens simply have to keep a team that can win enough to sell tickets and give Sid some level of commitment to winning. Three years is a long time but Pens know the rebuild will be the next major move. Bu that time Geno has one year, Rust salary and NMC ends, Letnag has a lower salary as well. All this is set up to move players if Sid calls it quits at the end of his deal. I think Sid will be capable of playing at a decent level but 20 years is what the number is to me. I was not crazy about the signings of these guys but with 20 million and maybe more depending on the escrow. Jarry looks to be 6 of that figure. Pens have cap space to work with and have a couple prospects to move into the mix next year. Kap will be gone one way or another so Pens have the major roster openings limited to 2lw, LD and depending on TB 4th line center.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Devils fans are now arguing they've watched all of our playoff games over the last five seasons and that we are fools for judging Marino on the last three lol.

I'm going to laugh when John Marino gets worked over like the cheapest option at a bunny ranch in Reno if the Devils make the playoffs.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm going to laugh when John Marino gets worked over like the cheapest option at a bunny ranch in Reno if the Devils make the playoffs.

This will never happen. They’ve watched him for 20 games and his xGF% is off the chart. Everyone knows November hockey is the same as the playoffs.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I'm going to laugh when John Marino gets worked over like the cheapest option at a bunny ranch in Reno if the Devils make the playoffs.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

JR isn't the GM in Vancouver, Patrik Allvin is. JR is like Burke is here. Sure he's involved with the day-to-day but the roster falls on Allvin. I'm not sure JR even did anything with Vancouver in terms of trades and signings?

Different GMs have different ways of jabbing coaches. Obviously, something isn't right in Vancouver.

I think you also underestimate how much chatter there is out there among GMs for a lot of players. I don't think it's a very big deal if you have a GM that calls up asking about guys. Vancouver has likely had a lot of discussions about a lot of guys but this board tends to hone in on singular instances because it was "reported" and act as if this is a big happening.

I would suggest that with the performance of Vancouver, Horvat's contract, and looking ahead to the future, a GM would be negligent in their duties as a GM if they weren't talking to other teams about him. That doesn't always mean the team hates him and wants him gone.

Mate, we all know JR is the GM there. Allvin barely understands the assistant gm role.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

It's funny to me because I doubt hardly anyone had "Rust turns into Roger Dorn" on their bingo card this season. He didn't seem like the kind of guy to start goldbricking. I was pretty ambivalent at best about bringing him back but not because I thought he was gonna turn into a slug. Though I suppose the signs have been there for a couple of seasons or so.

I've thought he's been slacking for well over a year yet. The work ethic and tenacity he showed prior to getting his cushy minutes on the top PP has been waning for a while now.

I didn't want him back. The only reason I didn't blow a gasket about it is because, technically speaking, the price was pretty good for a player of his production. But I would have been more than happy if they'd moved on from him because he's no longer willing to actually put in effort.

 

[Hottubber]

Wonder if there is a deal with the Canucks that could work. They need d badly
Dumo and Kap for Garland and Schenn?
Don’t really need Garland but has to be close to a even swap cap wise

 

[Pens x]

I'm going to laugh when John Marino gets worked over like the cheapest option at a bunny ranch in Reno if the Devils make the playoffs.

As opposed to Smith getting worked over in the AHL playoffs?

 

[Turin]

Wonder if there is a deal with the Canucks that could work. They need d badly
Dumo and Kap for Garland and Schenn?
Don’t really need Garland but has to be close to a even swap cap wise

Schenn has sort of been their bright spot. Also RHD

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Wonder if there is a deal with the Canucks that could work. They need d badly
Dumo and Kap for Garland and Schenn?
Don’t really need Garland but has to be close to a even swap cap wise

There will always be a need for a player like Garland. He's Vancouver's #1 5v5 producer since he got there, while providing acceptable defense.
9 more primary assists than any other Forward, including Miller.

Our health up front won't last, and our torrid ES scoring won't either. He can boost our depth a great deal.
Plus he can be a solution beyond this year. He's 26, can play both wings, and will have 3 years left on his contract at a reasonable 4.95M.
He can replace Zucker, who we may be wise to let go. Hard to tell if this will be a flash in the pan year for him, with his injury history and age.
Rust was awesome last year and now he's struggling, right? Who knows what will happen?

I would make Blue the 3C full time and give him whichever winger gets squeezed out of the top 6. Suddenly you have a far more potent L3 that you can give more O-zone starts to when one of the top 2 lines are struggling.

All in all, that'd be a dream trade.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think the reality is his numbers were bumped by playing with Sid and Jake.

And a ridiculous number of EN points, plus cushy PP time.

His 5on5 production has been pretty much what it's always been.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Arizona, Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, and Detroit. Those are the teams with the cap space and contract limits to add Kasperi Kapanen. I think at best you take back a depth forward and a pick because of the Pens contract/cap situation.

• Buffalo - They just picked up Jost, they're still looking for depth and want to be consistent. Olafsson, Tuch, Thompson, Couzens, Quinn, Etc they have a good young group but need to add to help Skinner and others.

• Anaheim - Seems to always be the ducks and the Pens making some deal. I think there's a deal to be made here too.

Nothing interests me in Arizona that won't be a bigger package, and no @Gurglesons I don't think we need Fischer. Not unless they move another forward as now we lack right handed shooters on the wing (Rakell, Rust, Archibald). Detroit? Maybe. Chicago? Not sure what is interesting there anymore.


Ideas?

• Buffalo one is simple, move Kapanen for cap space and take Back Hinostroza + one of the 2nd round picks of VGK or Philly and the Pens gain a speedy depth winger they can bury and save more cap, but the second is the key. If Kapanen isn't enough, I'd do Kapanen + Devils 3rd for Hinostroza + VGK 2nd.

Pens keep their line up as is and cap is created for the TDL.

• Anaheim - Silfverberg has been struggling hard and is on the third line below Terry and Vatrano. His cap hit doessn't help, but if the Pens can make it work, that's the kind of add to the third line that makes Sullivan's ideas idiot proof. A solid 2way winger with good skillsets and will rebound like Rakell. The cap hit is the issue, pens would need to get the ducks to retain and also take on Kapanen and another player. It's a shame they didn't use Smith and benched Dumoulin. I'd even do Benoit + Silfverberg, no retention for Dumoulin and Kapanen. Benoit is a stay at home big lad that would be a good partner with Petry or even as a depth over Ruhwedel and his useless ass. Pens gain about 1-2m in cap depending on if they waive Ruh or Benoit.

Guentzel, Crosby, Rakell
Zucker, Malkin, Rust
McGinn, Carter, Silfverberg
Poehling, Blueger, Archibald
Heinen

Pettersson, Letang
Joseph, Petry
Benoit, Rutta

Ps - f*** Heinen. He does not deserve a roster spot at all and I don't give a f*** about some shit analytics because the eye test shows he is shit. In his last 14 he's been worse than Kapanen and his 13. The cap is why they play this game. I'd love to see him gone asap and have the space to call up Puustinen as the third line rw for McGinn And Carter.

#freeKapanen

I'm judging Devils fans as fools for living in Sopranoland.

I just gotta say.

Danton Heinen f***ing sucks.

 

[Gurglesons]

Arizona, Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, and Detroit. Those are the teams with the cap space and contract limits to add Kasperi Kapanen. I think at best you take back a depth forward and a pick because of the Pens contract/cap situation.

• Buffalo - They just picked up Jost, they're still looking for depth and want to be consistent. Olafsson, Tuch, Thompson, Couzens, Quinn, Etc they have a good young group but need to add to help Skinner and others.

• Anaheim - Seems to always be the ducks and the Pens making some deal. I think there's a deal to be made here too.

Nothing interests me in Arizona that won't be a bigger package, and no @Gurglesons I don't think we need Fischer. Not unless they move another forward as now we lack right handed shooters on the wing (Rakell, Rust, Archibald). Detroit? Maybe. Chicago? Not sure what is interesting there anymore.


Ideas?

• Buffalo one is simple, move Kapanen for cap space and take Back Hinostroza + one of the 2nd round picks of VGK or Philly and the Pens gain a speedy depth winger they can bury and save more cap, but the second is the key. If Kapanen isn't enough, I'd do Kapanen + Devils 3rd for Hinostroza + VGK 2nd.

Pens keep their line up as is and cap is created for the TDL.

• Anaheim - Silfverberg has been struggling hard and is on the third line below Terry and Vatrano. His cap hit doessn't help, but if the Pens can make it work, that's the kind of add to the third line that makes Sullivan's ideas idiot proof. A solid 2way winger with good skillsets and will rebound like Rakell. The cap hit is the issue, pens would need to get the ducks to retain and also take on Kapanen and another player. It's a shame they didn't use Smith and benched Dumoulin. I'd even do Benoit + Silfverberg, no retention for Dumoulin and Kapanen. Benoit is a stay at home big lad that would be a good partner with Petry or even as a depth over Ruhwedel and his useless ass. Pens gain about 1-2m in cap depending on if they waive Ruh or Benoit.

Guentzel, Crosby, Rakell
Zucker, Malkin, Rust
McGinn, Carter, Silfverberg
Poehling, Blueger, Archibald
Heinen

Pettersson, Letang
Joseph, Petry
Benoit, Rutta

Ps - f*** Heinen. He does not deserve a roster spot at all and I don't give a f*** about some shit analytics because the eye test shows he is shit. In his last 14 he's been worse than Kapanen and his 13. The cap is why they play this game. I'd love to see him gone asap and have the space to call up Puustinen as the third line rw for McGinn And Carter.

#freeKapanen



I just gotta say.

Danton Heinen f***ing sucks.

Fischer is a RH W.

 

[Zbynek]

Arizona, Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, and Detroit. Those are the teams with the cap space and contract limits to add Kasperi Kapanen. I think at best you take back a depth forward and a pick because of the Pens contract/cap situation.

• Buffalo - They just picked up Jost, they're still looking for depth and want to be consistent. Olafsson, Tuch, Thompson, Couzens, Quinn, Etc they have a good young group but need to add to help Skinner and others.

• Anaheim - Seems to always be the ducks and the Pens making some deal. I think there's a deal to be made here too.

Nothing interests me in Arizona that won't be a bigger package, and no @Gurglesons I don't think we need Fischer. Not unless they move another forward as now we lack right handed shooters on the wing (Rakell, Rust, Archibald). Detroit? Maybe. Chicago? Not sure what is interesting there anymore.


Ideas?

• Buffalo one is simple, move Kapanen for cap space and take Back Hinostroza + one of the 2nd round picks of VGK or Philly and the Pens gain a speedy depth winger they can bury and save more cap, but the second is the key. If Kapanen isn't enough, I'd do Kapanen + Devils 3rd for Hinostroza + VGK 2nd.

Pens keep their line up as is and cap is created for the TDL.

• Anaheim - Silfverberg has been struggling hard and is on the third line below Terry and Vatrano. His cap hit doessn't help, but if the Pens can make it work, that's the kind of add to the third line that makes Sullivan's ideas idiot proof. A solid 2way winger with good skillsets and will rebound like Rakell. The cap hit is the issue, pens would need to get the ducks to retain and also take on Kapanen and another player. It's a shame they didn't use Smith and benched Dumoulin. I'd even do Benoit + Silfverberg, no retention for Dumoulin and Kapanen. Benoit is a stay at home big lad that would be a good partner with Petry or even as a depth over Ruhwedel and his useless ass. Pens gain about 1-2m in cap depending on if they waive Ruh or Benoit.

Guentzel, Crosby, Rakell
Zucker, Malkin, Rust
McGinn, Carter, Silfverberg
Poehling, Blueger, Archibald
Heinen

Pettersson, Letang
Joseph, Petry
Benoit, Rutta

Ps - f*** Heinen. He does not deserve a roster spot at all and I don't give a f*** about some shit analytics because the eye test shows he is shit. In his last 14 he's been worse than Kapanen and his 13. The cap is why they play this game. I'd love to see him gone asap and have the space to call up Puustinen as the third line rw for McGinn And Carter.

#freeKapanen



I just gotta say.

Danton Heinen f***ing sucks.

Heinen has been playing bad for a month straight sure. But don't compare him to KK. He makes less than a third of his salary and brings more than Kapanen ever produced as a Pittsburgh Penguin.

Let's please focus our efforts on shipping Kasperi Shithole f***inen out of Pittsburgh.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Arizona, Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, and Detroit. Those are the teams with the cap space and contract limits to add Kasperi Kapanen. I think at best you take back a depth forward and a pick because of the Pens contract/cap situation.

• Buffalo - They just picked up Jost, they're still looking for depth and want to be consistent. Olafsson, Tuch, Thompson, Couzens, Quinn, Etc they have a good young group but need to add to help Skinner and others.

• Anaheim - Seems to always be the ducks and the Pens making some deal. I think there's a deal to be made here too.

Nothing interests me in Arizona that won't be a bigger package, and no @Gurglesons I don't think we need Fischer. Not unless they move another forward as now we lack right handed shooters on the wing (Rakell, Rust, Archibald). Detroit? Maybe. Chicago? Not sure what is interesting there anymore.


Ideas?

• Buffalo one is simple, move Kapanen for cap space and take Back Hinostroza + one of the 2nd round picks of VGK or Philly and the Pens gain a speedy depth winger they can bury and save more cap, but the second is the key. If Kapanen isn't enough, I'd do Kapanen + Devils 3rd for Hinostroza + VGK 2nd.

Pens keep their line up as is and cap is created for the TDL.

• Anaheim - Silfverberg has been struggling hard and is on the third line below Terry and Vatrano. His cap hit doessn't help, but if the Pens can make it work, that's the kind of add to the third line that makes Sullivan's ideas idiot proof. A solid 2way winger with good skillsets and will rebound like Rakell. The cap hit is the issue, pens would need to get the ducks to retain and also take on Kapanen and another player. It's a shame they didn't use Smith and benched Dumoulin. I'd even do Benoit + Silfverberg, no retention for Dumoulin and Kapanen. Benoit is a stay at home big lad that would be a good partner with Petry or even as a depth over Ruhwedel and his useless ass. Pens gain about 1-2m in cap depending on if they waive Ruh or Benoit.

Guentzel, Crosby, Rakell
Zucker, Malkin, Rust
McGinn, Carter, Silfverberg
Poehling, Blueger, Archibald
Heinen

Pettersson, Letang
Joseph, Petry
Benoit, Rutta

Ps - f*** Heinen. He does not deserve a roster spot at all and I don't give a f*** about some shit analytics because the eye test shows he is shit. In his last 14 he's been worse than Kapanen and his 13. The cap is why they play this game. I'd love to see him gone asap and have the space to call up Puustinen as the third line rw for McGinn And Carter.

#freeKapanen



I just gotta say.

Danton Heinen f***ing sucks.

I appreciate the effort, but the Pens are not getting a 2nd or 3rd back in a Kapanen deal.

Teams are basically at the point where they are daring the Penguins to waive Kapanen. They know the Pens need to move him. They know the Pens are screwed in cap space.

In fact, it is far more likely the Penguins add a mid-round draft pick with Kapanen to entice teams.

Hextall backed himself into a corner on this one.

I do think you're on the right track with the teams who would be involved. I'd include Ottawa along with Arizona, Anaheim and Buffalo.

Ottawa - maybe Austin Watson and 2023 5th rounder for Kapanen and a 3rd.

Buffalo - probably a similar deal for Hinostroza.

Anaheim - Sam Carrick and a 4th for Kapanen and a 3rd. Carrick isn't quite as valuable as Watson, so you get a slightly better pick.

Arizona - Fischer is the only one worth targeting, but you're going to pay more. We're talking Kapanen and a 2nd for Fischer with no pick back. Fischer might normally be worth a mid-round pick, but to get Kapanen off their hands, the Pens will have to pay more.

 

[Zbynek]

Pens simply have to keep a team that can win enough to sell tickets and give Sid some level of commitment to winning. Three years is a long time but Pens know the rebuild will be the next major move. Bu that time Geno has one year, Rust salary and NMC ends, Letnag has a lower salary as well. All this is set up to move players if Sid calls it quits at the end of his deal. I think Sid will be capable of playing at a decent level but 20 years is what the number is to me. I was not crazy about the signings of these guys but with 20 million and maybe more depending on the escrow. Jarry looks to be 6 of that figure. Pens have cap space to work with and have a couple prospects to move into the mix next year. Kap will be gone one way or another so Pens have the major roster openings limited to 2lw, LD and depending on TB 4th line center.

No, please, God no. If the Penguins ship out Kap only to follow it up with a Jarry re-signing at 6mil it will all be for nothing.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I appreciate the effort, but the Pens are not getting a 2nd or 3rd back in a Kapanen deal.

Teams are basically at the point where they are daring the Penguins to waive Kapanen. They know the Pens need to move him. They know the Pens are screwed in cap space.

In fact, it is far more likely the Penguins add a mid-round draft pick with Kapanen to entice teams.

Hextall backed himself into a corner on this one.

I do think you're on the right track with the teams who would be involved. I'd include Ottawa along with Arizona, Anaheim and Buffalo.

Ottawa - maybe Austin Watson and 2023 5th rounder for Kapanen and a 3rd.

Buffalo - probably a similar deal for Hinostroza.

Anaheim - Sam Carrick and a 4th for Kapanen and a 3rd. Carrick isn't quite as valuable as Watson, so you get a slightly better pick.

Arizona - Fischer is the only one worth targeting, but you're going to pay more. We're talking Kapanen and a 2nd for Fischer with no pick back. Fischer might normally be worth a mid-round pick, but to get Kapanen off their hands, the Pens will have to pay more.

Teams also know Kapanen is better than how he's been used so if Hextall does waive him he knows this and knows the cap situation sucks and he might have to just move him for nothing.

Kapanen will bounce back on another team. It will bother a lot of wankers here. Also facts.

Fischer is a RH W.

For some reason I thought he was a lefty. In that case, sure. Fischer is enough of a plug to get Sullivan engorged at the thought of him on the roster. Kapanen would do well on a team that will just want him to play his game.

Heinen has been playing bad for a month straight sure. But don't compare him to KK. He makes less than a third of his salary and brings more than Kapanen ever produced as a Pittsburgh Penguin.

Let's please focus our efforts on shipping Kasperi Shithole f***inen out of Pittsburgh.

...no, I won't react.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Teams also know Kapanen is better than how he's been used so if Hextall does waive him he knows this and knows the cap situation sucks and he might have to just move him for nothing.

Kapanen will bounce back on another team. It will bother a lot of wankers here. Also facts.

I think that is far from a guarantee. Remember, Toronto had no problem trading him to ease their own cap issues (and because Rutherford offered them a first and a prospect), and that was just a year after he scored 20 goals.

I think teams might be willing to take a chance on him, but they want a sweetener and/or to pawn something additional off on the Pens. They're not going to pay anything of true value.

 

[Zbynek]

Kapanen will bounce back on another team. It will bother a lot of wankers here. Also facts.

Making statements like this won't magically make Kapanen's trade value anything but negative.

Dude scored like 10 goals in his past 100 games, majority of those games were played with Malkin, in our top-6 or on our PP unit.

Skating really fast and hard does not make you worth 3.2 million dollars on a multi year contract. Kapanen will never learn basic hockey IQ - regardless of coach - maybe that's what bothers you?

It is so bizarre that people can still defend this guy and the only reason I can think of is to improve his HFBoards trade value.

Feel free to bookmark when he goes to Winnipeg or Arizona or whatever and still fails to top 15 goals.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I said sorry

Not good enough.

You must grovel.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I feel like we do need help on the PP which I think it where he’s getting a lot of his points. I’ll have to double check.

But he realistically wouldn’t be on their top PP unit, so I don’t think that’s really relevant. Plus they have Smith who should be playing who offers the same offensive upside.

To me, the only question marks on their defense are Letang and a partner for Letang. In Letang’s case, it’s just a question of how much you’ll be getting him at his best. With his partner, it’s mostly a question of whether Pettersson and POJ could cut it as their top-4 LD.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Making statements like this won't magically make Kapanen's trade value anything but negative.

Dude scored like 10 goals in his past 100 games, majority of those games were played with Malkin, in our top-6 or on our PP unit.

Skating really fast and hard does not make you worth 3.2 million dollars on a multi year contract. Kapanen will never learn basic hockey IQ - regardless of coach - maybe that's what bothers you?

It is so bizarre that people can still defend this guy and the only reason I can think of is to improve his HFBoards trade value.

Feel free to bookmark when he goes to Winnipeg or Arizona or whatever and still fails to top 15 goals.

It’s downright bizarre to me that people are still insisting Kapanen isn’t terrible. I don’t know what happened with him, but he fell off a cliff about a year ago and looks like a shell of his former self. People stat watch to say he shouldn’t be healthy scratched based on “he has a few points”, but he’s been invisible at best for a huge majority of games in the last calendar year.

I was fine with the gamble with signing him to a 2 year deal last off-season, but it’s painfully obvious that it’s a bust already and they need to move on. If Kapanen returns to form after being traded, good for him. But as of right now, he’s not one of the Penguins 12 best forwards and he’s actively hurting them due to his cap hit.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Boy I sure am glad this team decided to just go up against the cap ceiling with depth signings, that was a real cunning bit of strategy.

Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Candles Wasted Cap space $5.1 million
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying

 

[Empoleon8771]

Boy I sure am glad this team decided to just go up against the cap ceiling with depth signings, that was a real cunning bit of strategy.

The screw up was qualifying Kapanen IMO, I think that decision directly resulted in them being screwed with the cap.

I don’t think they would have re-signed Kapanen had they known Heinen was coming back, but they couldn’t retract the qualifying offer at that point.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The screw up was qualifying Kapanen IMO, I think that decision directly resulted in them being screwed with the cap.

I don’t think they would have re-signed Kapanen had they known Heinen was coming back, but they couldn’t retract the qualifying offer at that point.

They shouldn't have done it in any case. This team is not a team that can afford to have multiple recovery projects on the roster, and certainly not fixer-uppers that cost over $2 million.

This was always one of the most logical outcomes to the team refusing to look internally for cheap solutions in the bottom 6, I'm not sure why people are surprised that it's an issue.