Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[pistolpete11]

Sounds like he's advocating Formenton for Dumoulin or Carter.

It wouldn't be the worst trade in the world. He's a young guy, good size, and scored a bit last year. Could be a great replacement for Heinen or Zucker next year or could simply boost the overall bottom 6. The contract may be a sticker though...seems like he's holding out. The lack of even a 1yr bridge is odd to me too.

I don't hate Dumoulin's game if he's on the bottom pairing and in some protected minutes. That gives us the Lovejoy-esque depth from 2016 having him there so I'm not sold on selling him just yet. Carter, no until we see how Bleuger does. That said, we need to maybe see Smith for a couple of games as well.

That said, the issue isn't necessarily needing a guy like him in the middle-6. He's not beating out any of Jake, Rust, Rakell, or Zucker and McGinn and Heinen are doing well with Carter. Our biggest issue right now isn't the bottom 6 necessarily, it's L1 being in shambles and poor goaltending...in addition to defensive lapses so...not an outrageous suggestion but

Dumo on the third pairing really isn't the problem for me. It's that it forces POJ into a top 4 role. He's played well, but he's still a rookie who people were ready to waive a month ago. How's he going to hold up as the season drags on? If they could trade Dumo without taking back much cap and/or for a useful piece, I do it now. See how things go with POJ until the deadline and decide if they need to add a #4D or not.

I'd move Carter to get out of his contract, but Kapanen is the bigger problem. I could live with a Heinen - Blueger - Carter or even Heinen - Carter - McGinn third line.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Pretty fair honestly. My thought there was getting Gibson in to take us to the end of the Sid/Geno/Letang era. I think he would give us a better shot than Jarry.

He is getting lots of shots against in Anaheim but gicing up tons of goals. He will be getting tons of shots here as well as our defense sucks, 40+ shots against a team like the Hams... Not sure i'm interested in 4 more years of Gibson and his 6.4 million per year contract

 

[Gurglesons]

Dumo on the third pairing really isn't the problem for me. It's that it forces POJ into a top 4 role. He's played well, but he's still a rookie who people were ready to waive a month ago. How's he going to hold up as the season drags on? If they could trade Dumo without taking back much cap and/or for a useful piece, I do it now. See how things go with POJ until the deadline and decide if they need to add a #4D or not.

I'd move Carter to get out of his contract, but Kapanen is the bigger problem. I could live with a Heinen - Blueger - Carter or even Heinen - Carter - McGinn third line.

They can always ice Rutta - Petry if they need to.

 

[SEALBound]

Dumo on the third pairing really isn't the problem for me. It's that it forces POJ into a top 4 role. He's played well, but he's still a rookie who people were ready to waive a month ago. How's he going to hold up as the season drags on? If they could trade Dumo without taking back much cap and/or for a useful piece, I do it now. See how things go with POJ until the deadline and decide if they need to add a #4D or not.

I'd move Carter to get out of his contract, but Kapanen is the bigger problem. I could live with a Heinen - Blueger - Carter or even Heinen - Carter - McGinn third line.

We were ready to waive POJ because we wanted Smith. Now that we see he's a competent NHL'er, all should be well. That is why in my post I said "I want to see how Smith does before being comfortable sending Dumo out".

A voice in the back of my head says Cup teams have more guys like Dumoulin on the back end than Smith.

Kapanen or Carter are obviously the ones I would move before Dumo.

 

[chethejet]

Holy shit, if we could get out from that Carter contract, or get value from a broken ass Dumo, you do it.


Yeah, what do people think this is? Twitter?

Values will be higher, they always are. NHL drafts are so iffy and any rebuild will take years. I don't think the ownership group will want to deal with that. They can sell the franchise and keep the real estate portion separate. They really are a hedge fund and will move capital to where it will be treated better. Selling the Pens is just a deal to them.

 

[pistolpete11]

We were ready to waive POJ because we wanted Smith. Now that we see he's a competent NHL'er, all should be well. That is why in my post I said "I want to see how Smith does before being comfortable sending Dumo out".

A voice in the back of my head says Cup teams have more guys like Dumoulin on the back end than Smith.

Kapanen or Carter are obviously the ones I would move before Dumo.

Smith with Letang or Petry seems like nightmare fuel, so it would still come down to if POJ can handle the top 4 role more so than if Smith can handle a 3rd pairing role IMO.

They can always ice Rutta - Petry if they need to.

I've heard mixed things on if Rutta can really play the left side.

 

[Darren McCord]

It’s not the proposal that’s the issue. It’s that Carter has a NMC and Dumo an eight no trade list. Wanna bet Ottawais on it like most Canadian teams. Neither player wants to go there…not a realistic proposal


I think he’s not signed because he’s asking way above what he’s worth

I dont think thats the case. You would hear more about the contract negotiations. I think there is more to why Formenton is not signed and I would stay away from him.

 

[SEALBound]

Smith with Letang or Petry seems like nightmare fuel, so it would still come down to if POJ can handle the top 4 role more so than if Smith can handle a 3rd pairing role IMO.


I've heard mixed things on if Rutta can really play the left side.

Yup, and that's where it gets really tough. Likely looking at:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

That 2nd pairing is shaky at best.

If POJ or Smith are iffy at any point, we don't have a solid #7 to step in and fix that issue. Rudwedel and Freidman are great but...ya know.

This is why I said I wasn't sold on the idea of trading Dumo at this particular point in time.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Dumo on the third pairing really isn't the problem for me. It's that it forces POJ into a top 4 role. He's played well, but he's still a rookie who people were ready to waive a month ago. How's he going to hold up as the season drags on? If they could trade Dumo without taking back much cap and/or for a useful piece, I do it now. See how things go with POJ until the deadline and decide if they need to add a #4D or not.

I'd move Carter to get out of his contract, but Kapanen is the bigger problem. I could live with a Heinen - Blueger - Carter or even Heinen - Carter - McGinn third line.

For me, Dumo is now Scuderi level bad and it's going to get worse as the season grinds on.

Dumo is doing nothing but accumulating minuses. If they could package he and Kap for a #4 type LD it'd be perfect.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Dumo and Kap are like 7+ million dollars-worth of stacked turds. Nobody is gonna want that without some major finagling or a truly horrific contract back IMO.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yup, and that's where it gets really tough. Likely looking at:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

That 2nd pairing is shaky at best.

If POJ or Smith are iffy at any point, we don't have a solid #7 to step in and fix that issue. Rudwedel and Freidman are great but...ya know.

This is why I said I wasn't sold on the idea of trading Dumo at this particular point in time.

You can bring in a solid 7 if you free up cap from moving Dumo. Dumo is playing worse than Ruh right now. Every game he is actively hurting us.

 

[Pancakes]

Dumo and Kap are like 7+ million dollars of stacked turds. Nobody is gonna want that without some major finagling or a truly horrific contract back IMO.

Dumo is a FA. Someone will absolutely want him if he's offered. If not now, then for sure by the trade deadline. People trade for worse players than him every year.

Kapanen, I agree. He's got no value.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Dumo is a FA. Someone will absolutely want him if he's offered. If not now, then for sure by the trade deadline. People trade for worse players than him every year.

Kapanen, I agree. He's got no value.

Tell ya what WILL build his value... being nailed to the bench!

Fair point on Dumo's contract status. I mean... until he's mysteriously extended mid-season for no reason at all.

 

[pistolpete11]

Yup, and that's where it gets really tough. Likely looking at:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

That 2nd pairing is shaky at best.

If POJ or Smith are iffy at any point, we don't have a solid #7 to step in and fix that issue. Rudwedel and Freidman are great but...ya know.

This is why I said I wasn't sold on the idea of trading Dumo at this particular point in time.

Pettersson - Letang
POJ - Petry
Dumo - Rutta

Is the same shaky second pairing.

They can't address 2LD with a $4M 3LD who needs to play protected, limited minutes. So trade him now, see what you have in POJ and Smith, and address it before the deadline if needed (which I strongly lean towards needing to do at the moment).

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tell ya what WILL build his value... being nailed to the bench!

Fair point on Dumo's contract status. I mean... until he's mysteriously extended mid-season for no reason at all.

Throw in a NTC for full effect. I mean Carter got one so why not Dumo?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Throw in a NTC for full effect. I mean Carter got one so why not Dumo?

I figured that was just a standard line-item on any Penguins-inked contract these days.

 

[Pens x]

Good grief, our d pairs look rough.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Tell ya what WILL build his value... being nailed to the bench!

Fair point on Dumo's contract status. I mean... until he's mysteriously extended mid-season for no reason at all.

My prediction for Dumoulin is either the Pens re-sign him or the Caps swoop in and sign him on Day 1 of free agency.

They're like the Jan to our Marsha.

 

[Gurglesons]

Why are people so convinced the front office will resign Dumoulin?

I see nothing in their history that would make me think they’d resign and underachieving player.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the D pairs you run with going forward are:

Pettersson-Letang
Dumoulin-Petry (replace Dumoulin with POJ when Dumoulin walks)
POJ-Rutta (replace POJ with Smith when Dumoulin walks)

The only iffy part of this defense I have is that there really isn't an ideal "shutdown" pair here. Pettersson-Letang is probably the closest thing you have to that, and Letang has been....questionable defensively, to put it politely. The defense really hinges on Letang and Petry playing to their capabilities, but it also helps that Pettersson looks like a legitimate top-4 DFD this year.

 

[dogthateats]

Why are people so convinced the front office will resign Dumoulin?

I see nothing in their history that would make me think they’d resign and underachieving player.

Rob Hextall vetoed a trade that would have sent Nolan Patrick to the Avalanche for Cale Makar

 

[Gurglesons]

I think the D pairs you run with going forward are:

Pettersson-Letang
Dumoulin-Petry (replace Dumoulin with POJ when Dumoulin walks)
POJ-Rutta (replace POJ with Smith when Dumoulin walks)

The only iffy part of this defense I have is that there really isn't an ideal "shutdown" pair here. Pettersson-Letang is probably the closest thing you have to that, and Letang has been....questionable defensively, to put it politely. The defense really hinges on Letang and Petry playing to their capabilities, but it also helps that Pettersson looks like a legitimate top-4 DFD this year.

I think that’s why you package Smith or POJ on season or next off season for an RFA forward preferably a defensive, top nine guy.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Dumo and Kap are like 7+ million dollars-worth of stacked turds. Nobody is gonna want that without some major finagling or a truly horrific contract back IMO.

JR's ears suddenly perked up.

 

[dogthateats]

Your fantasy Penguins name and contract number is the street you grew up on, mother’s maiden name, and the contract is the last 4 digits of your ss# with a decimal after the first 2 numbers. Post yours!

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Sidney Crosby doesn’t have a Power Play goal since March of last year

So that's when he last took a shot on the PP.