Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[BusinessGoose]

 

[Gurglesons]

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-thru.

 

[HandshakeLine]

 

[chethejet]

Ownership gave sully a 3 year extension. He is going nowhere and that folks is why this franchise is so lazy and unwilling to accept the run is over and move on. But bringing back the core and extending Rust and Rakell is the 3 year plan here and trim around the edges will be the deal. Yes Carter will be up as will Kap if not moved and Pens have enough cap space to add a D man and extend Jarry if he is able to play well this year. Cap is 92 million in 3 years and it won't matter as Sid is gone and Geno and Letang are off to parts unknown. The contracts of Rust, Letang and Malkin were front loaded for three years so they can be moved after that. Three year keep things intact was the decision and no real blow it up until then.

 

[HandshakeLine]

My beef with Rust isn't even really that he's overpaid (I mean, his performance is terrible this year in regards to his cap hit, but it would be annoying-but-okay if he was still at 3.5 per). It's that he is absolutely not performing up to his cap hit and he's not helping the top 6 at all, but he also still has a ton of value around the league and that the team should have either traded him last year during the TDL or consider trading him now for a change in the top 6.

He's streaky, frequently lazy, and he's being spoonfed absolutely insane amounts of minutes that he does not deserve in the slightest. He's playing like late stage Kunitz, but he's got potential to be more. He also has the potential to be the keystone of a Neal-for-Hornqvist-esque trade.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Maybe POJ will be ready for Tuesday.

 

[Gurglesons]

My beef with Rust isn't even really that he's overpaid (I mean, his performance is terrible this year in regards to his cap hit, but it would be annoying-but-okay if he was still at 3.5 per). It's that he is absolutely not performing up to his cap hit and he's not helping the top 6 at all, but he also still has a ton of value around the league and that the team should have either traded him last year during the TDL or consider trading him now for a change in the top 6.

He's streaky, frequently lazy, and he's being spoonfed absolutely insane amounts of minutes that he does not deserve in the slightest. He's playing like late stage Kunitz, but he's got potential to be more. He also has the potential to be the keystone of a Neal-for-Hornqvist-esque trade.

I don’t really have any issue with Rust if he isn’t playing on the top power play and line. Honestly he should be used exactly like Zucker or Rakell are being at 5v5 and one of our main guys on the PK.

 

[Gurglesons]

Maybe POJ will be ready for Tuesday.

Probably Blueger since we didn’t call anyone else up.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

My beef with Rust isn't even really that he's overpaid (I mean, his performance is terrible this year in regards to his cap hit, but it would be annoying-but-okay if he was still at 3.5 per). It's that he is absolutely not performing up to his cap hit and he's not helping the top 6 at all, but he also still has a ton of value around the league and that the team should have either traded him last year during the TDL or consider trading him now for a change in the top 6.

He's streaky, frequently lazy, and he's being spoonfed absolutely insane amounts of minutes that he does not deserve in the slightest. He's playing like late stage Kunitz, but he's got potential to be more. He also has the potential to be the keystone of a Neal-for-Hornqvist-esque trade.

The thing with Rust is that he's lost his whole "work away from the puck, buzzsaw" style years ago, like you said. Putting him with an older Crosby and a dude like Jake who is Kessel-bad defensively is not the play.

Zucker does the gruntwork and can obviously chip in a bit offensively. Rakell does the gruntwork and can obviously chip in offensively. It's pretty clear what the deal is with the top-6. You split up the all offensively-minded guys, and split up the swiss army knife guys, and you roll Jake-Rakell and Zucker-Rust as the winger combos. Don't really give a shit about who centers who, tbh.

But, y'know, "we're just doing what these guys need us to do" with the line combos. Or some media-speak bullshit.

 

[Andy99]

Probably Blueger since we didn’t call anyone else up.

That’d be nice but I’d trade off keeping Blue on LTIR if it meant getting Tokarski up here lol

 

[Andy99]

probably waiting for Hallander to feel better but it should be Kap lol

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Probably Blueger since we didn’t call anyone else up.

Have to send Hallander down in order to activate Blueger.

 

[ChaosAgent]

My beef with Rust isn't even really that he's overpaid (I mean, his performance is terrible this year in regards to his cap hit, but it would be annoying-but-okay if he was still at 3.5 per). It's that he is absolutely not performing up to his cap hit and he's not helping the top 6 at all, but he also still has a ton of value around the league and that the team should have either traded him last year during the TDL or consider trading him now for a change in the top 6.

He's streaky, frequently lazy, and he's being spoonfed absolutely insane amounts of minutes that he does not deserve in the slightest. He's playing like late stage Kunitz, but he's got potential to be more. He also has the potential to be the keystone of a Neal-for-Hornqvist-esque trade.

The problem is the NMC. Why would he waive 6 months after signing it?

I guess we could try to make him miserable while here.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The problem is the NMC. Why would he waive 6 months after signing it?

I guess we could try to make him miserable while here.

If the team continues to slide, I’d definitely ask him if he’d consider going elsewhere where there’s a chance to compete. I agree it’s unlikely though- he’s likely stuck here for the duration of his contract.

Zucker is absolutely doing everything you could possibly ask him to do this year. I am eating crow on it, and I’m okay with that.

 

[ChaosAgent]

If the team continues to slide, I’d definitely ask him if he’d consider going elsewhere where there’s a chance to compete. I agree it’s unlikely though- he’s likely stuck here for the duration of his contract.

Zucker is absolutely doing everything you could possibly ask him to do this year. I am eating crow on it, and I’m okay with that.

I reconcile the Zucker situation like this:

Overall his first 2.5 years were such a bust value-wise that no crow needs to be eaten. His value is like JJ's net worth. Declared bankruptcy then got $16.3M richer.

Apparently Rust's NMC is only full for the first 3 years. Guentzel could still be the James Neal on a bigger scale, I guess.

 

[DearDiary]

For the fire Sullivan crew

"St. Louis is a mirror image of our team. A good team with a good coach that's having trouble. You've got to keep grinding. Nothing else you can do."
-Brian Burke

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don’t really have any issue with Rust if he isn’t playing on the top power play and line. Honestly he should be used exactly like Zucker or Rakell are being at 5v5 and one of our main guys on the PK.

I hate the way PP time is assigned here. It's never seemingly done as a thought to what works on the PP, it's just some vet entitlement.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I hate the way PP time is assigned here. It's never seemingly done as a thought to what works on the PP, it's just some vet entitlement.

Yeah, they just brute force shit by sheer talent alone. It's always been a buncha stars planting roots and deciding not to try and outwork or outsmart opponents. It's like a practice drill way more than anything.

Watching other power plays around the league, the good ones, it's crazy to see guys moving their feet, getting the PKers moving and opening up lanes for passes/shots. This team just plays catch back and forth or forces passes through 4 pairs of legs and sticks to try and find that gorgeous goal every time. It's maddening.

Then, you get to watch Letang fail numerous attempts to put a pass in Geno's wheelhouse from 20ft away and you just wanna f***ing claw your eyes out.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Then, you get to watch Letang fail numerous attempts to put a pass in Geno's wheelhouse from 20ft away and you just wanna f***ing claw your eyes out.

No, that makes me want to drink. Reading 100+ posts here about how we shouldn't bother trying to change anything because Penguins hockey cannot fail, it can only be failed, is where I think about eye gouging.

But not my own. I've got some pretty stellar peepers.

 

[66-30-33]

Not my proudest fap.

For the fire Sullivan crew

"St. Louis is a mirror image of our team. A good team with a good coach that's having trouble. You've got to keep grinding. Nothing else you can do."
-Brian Burke

We have been grinding for years. Fire his ass!!!

-HFPens

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Watching other power plays around the league, the good ones, it's crazy to see guys moving their feet, getting the PKers moving and opening up lanes for passes/shots. This team just plays catch back and forth or forces passes through 4 pairs of legs and sticks to try and find that gorgeous goal every time. It's maddening.

Then, you get to watch Letang fail numerous attempts to put a pass in Geno's wheelhouse from 20ft away and you just wanna f***ing claw your eyes out.

I live in the Leafs' region so I get to watch a lot of their games. As much as the Leafs have their own set of issues, the one area that it's so friggin' night and day is on a PP. The Leafs are in constant motion and they're zipping the puck around the ice creating chance after chance. In comparison, the Pens look like what we used to do when we were 5 or 6 years old and learning to pass the puck, with all kids lined up in a circle and you have to make a 5 foot pass to the kid next to you.

 

[Gurglesons]

For the fire Sullivan crew

"St. Louis is a mirror image of our team. A good team with a good coach that's having trouble. You've got to keep grinding. Nothing else you can do."
-Brian Burke

Where is this from?

 

[Turin]

Damn I thought all the dancing bananas were to celebrate Kapanen being traded.

 

[Darren McCord]

Should kept Erod over Kap.

Maybe rust when have been demoted by now