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Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!
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Flying Dego
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O I didn't say I was confident they'd be gone.Man, I wish I had the same confidence you guys did in proclaiming Zucker and Dumo are for sure gone.
My probability of resigning them:
90% Dumo
Prob around 4M for many years bc he's the core bro
70% Zucker (if he's healthy all year)
5x5 type deal
Ok…trade package for Kane…young goalie like either Blomqvist or Lindberg, POJ and Zucker, who can also be flipped for a pick by the Hawks and will even out the money..lol
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Penguins & Blackhawks Emerging as Potential Trade Partners - The Hockey Writers Pittsburgh Penguins Latest News, Analysis & More
Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane is expected to be traded this season; the Pittsburgh Penguins could eventually win the sweepstakes.
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Empoleon8771
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The Hawks would 100% get better than that from the Penguins.
Giroux hand-picked his location and still got Tippett and a 1st. Zucker, Blomqvist/Lindberg and POJ doesn't match that.
Giroux hand-picked his location and still got Tippett and a 1st. Zucker, Blomqvist/Lindberg and POJ doesn't match that.
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If we could get Kane without losing too much of the current roster if would definitely put us into immediate contender status. Our PP would probably run at like a 30%+ clip. We’d likely have to add another first rounder or three. I’d be okay with that though. If you’re going rebuild…go hard for the suck, embrace it, and do it right.Ok…trade package for Kane…young goalie like either Blomqvist or Lindberg, POJ and Zucker, who can also be flipped for a pick by the Hawks and will even out the money..lol
Penguins & Blackhawks Emerging as Potential Trade Partners - The Hockey Writers Pittsburgh Penguins Latest News, Analysis & More
Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane is expected to be traded this season; the Pittsburgh Penguins could eventually win the sweepstakes.
66-30-33
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That would mean Jake/Rust will be dealt for futures when the core hangs them up.
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Hawks will get more and I dont think we want to lose Zucker. Zucker is finally playing like we all hoped, adds grit to the top 6. You would most definitely have to throw in a 1st round pick to the trade.Ok…trade package for Kane…young goalie like either Blomqvist or Lindberg, POJ and Zucker, who can also be flipped for a pick by the Hawks and will even out the money..lol
Penguins & Blackhawks Emerging as Potential Trade Partners - The Hockey Writers Pittsburgh Penguins Latest News, Analysis & More
Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane is expected to be traded this season; the Pittsburgh Penguins could eventually win the sweepstakes.
If Zucker keeps playing like he is you could probably get a 1st for him at the deadline.
Which says something about the idea of trading him.
edit: Also, thinking ahead
a) I can see a scenario where Guentzel has declined from elite to elite complimentary piece where it doesn't make sense to keep him... but then you've got to go and tell Sid you let his best winger walk, but how about you re-up at the end of the season anyway?
As such, I think Guentzel is coming back come what may as things stand
b) Without having watched the dude in forever, but do you think you could swing OEL for Pettersson? It frees up a lot of cap space and makes Vancouver younger. I dunno how much better if any it makes us, but iirc he's been playing a bit better there?
In any case, that sort of trade - kind of a repeat of the Petry trade - is what I'm considering as a possibility for improving next year's top 4.
Which says something about the idea of trading him.
edit: Also, thinking ahead
a) I can see a scenario where Guentzel has declined from elite to elite complimentary piece where it doesn't make sense to keep him... but then you've got to go and tell Sid you let his best winger walk, but how about you re-up at the end of the season anyway?
As such, I think Guentzel is coming back come what may as things stand
b) Without having watched the dude in forever, but do you think you could swing OEL for Pettersson? It frees up a lot of cap space and makes Vancouver younger. I dunno how much better if any it makes us, but iirc he's been playing a bit better there?
In any case, that sort of trade - kind of a repeat of the Petry trade - is what I'm considering as a possibility for improving next year's top 4.
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OEL has never been what Petry is he was a Powerplay specialist with one or two solid seasons at 5v5.
If we are trying to bring in a big contract like that you probably focus on Conor Murphy (issue is he likes to play RD), Cam Fowler, or Krug
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I've wanted Fowler for a while, i'll go with him.
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Fowler's the only one of those that make sense to me but Anaheim don't need cap space, they'll expect an actual return, which sucks.
Murphy as you point out is the wrong side. No need for a pure OFD here so don't see an interest in Krug.
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Yea, thank god sleepy acquired a guy he buried in the minors for Marino. Smith sure helps the team right now.
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MayorofWBS
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Those will be two hugely regrettable contracts. I don't care if Zucker has a good season, its time for him to go. He's had too many games lost to injury and its not going to get better with age. Dumo, Zucker and Blueger - all should not be back. Their next contracts will not be good for the Penguins. Let some other team make those mistakes.
MayorofWBS
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Trading a bad contract for another bad contract is not a smart move. I'm glad to be out of Marino's contract. I don't want Dumo, Zuck or Blue back either. Nice players and I don't regret them being on the team, its just time for them to move on.
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I'd be fine with Zucker or Blue returning on reasonable contracts. I want absolutely no part of Dumo returning. I wouldnt be surprised if his game falls off a cliff next year. Guys like him after 30 are a ticking time bomb.
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I'm one of Zucker's biggest fans on here, but I'd only bring him back if you can get him signed to a deal that wouldn't be an issue if he ends up on the 3rd line.
If he has a great year, he's going to get a Rakell type of contract in UFA, probably something like 5x5. I'm absolutely not paying him that for him to stay, though. I'd want him to stay for like $3.5m-$4m, but he'd almost assuredly get more as a UFA.
I would keep Blueger if you can dump McGinn and have Blueger play with 2 cheaper wingers. But both Dumoulin and Zucker will probably cost around $5 million a year to retain and I'd much rather not do either of those.
If he has a great year, he's going to get a Rakell type of contract in UFA, probably something like 5x5. I'm absolutely not paying him that for him to stay, though. I'd want him to stay for like $3.5m-$4m, but he'd almost assuredly get more as a UFA.
I would keep Blueger if you can dump McGinn and have Blueger play with 2 cheaper wingers. But both Dumoulin and Zucker will probably cost around $5 million a year to retain and I'd much rather not do either of those.
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I'm willing to pay a top-6 guy $5 million a year to get another Rakell caliber player. I just don't want to gamble on Zucker being that guy.
Maybe I'll change my opinion if Zucker's entire season is as good as his first 4 games, but I think there's a huge risk with giving him that kind of term assuming that he's back to normal.
It's not that I doubt Zucker's talent level, it's I doubt Zucker's ability to stay healthy.
It's really hard to say with contracts right now because teams seemed a bit more prudent than normal this past off season. Or maybe too many teams were cap f***ed.
But like someone like Heinen or Erod having to settle for small contracts....I don't think you'd have seen that in years past. Normally Heinen would have gone somewhere else for 3m/yr imo. Ditto Erod.
So who knows with Zucker
Makes sense. Love what he's doing but 100% want a bigger sample size.
They were cap f***ed. The guys at the top got less than they were expecting, the guys at the bottom found there wasn't enough money. Looking at next year's pie, I don't see that happening, especially not if there's more than a 1m raise.
Besides, the two groups of players who found they still got theirs was top 6 wings and physical dmen, and they didn't ask for a ton of proof that a guy was a top 6 wing beyond just doing it last season. I'd be surprised if Zucker wasn't given a chance to get his by someone.
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