Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Andy99]

Never said or Did Sully say LBI?? can't remember

LBI he said

 

[Peat]

Yes, Marino-Smith is an example of an in-division NHLer for NHLer trade because Smith has over a 100 NHL games, and the GM's comments and coach's usage in pre-season shows that's how they envisioned him.

That the GM decided to cling onto a prospect he wanted to move because he couldn't get his price, and sent Smith down to make it happen, doesn't change that.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Did we get word on what the injury was?

I am sure its still something to to with his core. Takes a long time to recover from that (We have seen the same with Crosby)

You use your core for every single body movement you make, its a long healing process and easy to reaggravate. I would rather him take some time off but being the player he is he wants to be back out there ASAP

 

[Al Smith]

Did we get word on what the injury was?

Someone said foot because he blocked a shot, but of course the team hasn't verified. I'm definitely concerned about core/groin, because of his history, but who knows.

 

[Gurglesons]

A very good team could have traded a 5th round pick to BUF for Tage Thompson 2-3 years ago but turned it down. According to Friedman.

Wonder if it was us.

 

[Darren McCord]

Sullivan gona keep forcing ruh and Heinen into the lineup until we lose another 7 in a row

 

[Gurglesons]

Sullivan gona keep forcing ruh and Heinen into the lineup until we lose another 7 in a row

Exactly.

Could easily happen too.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

That Dumo M-NTC looming large right now. Goddamnit.

 

[Gurglesons]

That Dumo M-NTC looming large right now. Goddamnit.

I think the big issue with moving Dumo to Ottawa is they have LD. It's the right side that is the big issue.

Like Ottawa isn't going to not play Chabot, Sanderson, or Brannstrom for Dumo.

 

[Josey Wales]

I think the big issue with moving Dumo to Ottawa is they have LD. It's the right side that is the big issue.

Like Ottawa isn't going to not play Chabot, Sanderson, or Brannstrom for Dumo.

Trade them DUHwedel

 

[McGroarty2]

LBI he said

So his head fell off?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Note anybody making around 1 million I am replacing them with one million players and don't count them as anything.


Zucker 5.5
Dumo 4.1

9.6 million off the books.
Top 4 slot + top 6 forward required.

Jarry raise from 3.5> 6 ?

Blueger 2.2 ? Do we keep him if we can get him under 3 million or is it time for DOC or Poehling to take it over. At 1 mil per.

Salary cap can go up either 1 million to 4 million.

If it is only 1 million that is

16.3 million

Starting goalie
Top 6
Top 4
4C

I think re signing Jarry is crucial so that's 10.3 million left.

I feel like the emergence of POJ and Smith 100% an NHLer could make up out left side.

10.3 to 9.3 million.

That's 9.3 million for a top 6 and 4C.

If we go cheap with Phoeling or DOC we can go big game hunting for a top 6 forward.

8.3 million !!

Could we go after someone like Bo Horvat if he makes free agency? I am not interested in trading assets but someone who wins faceoffs for Geno and just shoots the puck would be huge for us.


Note: yes I realize Guentzel needs an upgrade on the 6 million but the salary cap the year after may go up 8 million at that point. I think we will be fine.

Please share your thoughts.
I'd like to know if we should be going after a bigger LD and a worse option for top 6. I'm all in on talent though.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think the big issue with moving Dumo to Ottawa is they have LD. It's the right side that is the big issue.

Like Ottawa isn't going to not play Chabot, Sanderson, or Brannstrom for Dumo.

Say no more fam. Ruhwedel for a 5th.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Please share your thoughts.
I'd like to know if we should be going after a bigger LD and a worse option for top 6. I'm all in on talent though.

Shared my view of this before, so I'll keep it brief.

Don't know about bigger, but better LD would be my preference for sure. They influence results more than 2nd line wingers, and I don't believe in the strategy of relying on Petts, POJ being this good again. That's wishful thinking. We don't know if Smith will cut it at 3LD either.

Maybe it's not as fun with this approach, but I bet it would result in more wins. If we got another good one then I'd love our D-pairs going into the playoffs. We could win tight games. We'd get the puck into the hands of the forwards easier and more frequently. Someone like Rutta level or a bit better.

We only have 15.275M allocated towards the blue line next year right now. It's a great opportunity.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, I think having a complimentary top 4 LD would probably be the best thing for this club, although I wouldn't shy away from anything that brings in physicality to the bottom 6 or a scoring touch in the top 9. That said, if we're doing that, I'd actually look to see if we could package POJ or Pettersson+ to get a legit top-flight guy instead of getting another POJ or Pettersson.

Or get rid of Dumo and bump POJ to third pairing, but he's playing as well as a 3/4 guy could reasonably hope to do, tbh.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Shared my view of this before, so I'll keep it brief.

Don't know about bigger, but better LD would be my preference for sure. They influence results more than 2nd line wingers, and I don't believe in the strategy of relying on Petts, POJ being this good again. That's wishful thinking. We don't know if Smith will cut it at 3LD either.

Maybe it's not as fun with this approach, but I bet it would result in more wins. If we got another good one then I'd love our D-pairs going into the playoffs. We could win tight games. We'd get the puck into the hands of the forwards easier and more frequently. Someone like Rutta level or a bit better.

We only have 15.275M allocated towards the blue line next year right now. It's a great opportunity.

The thing I think about is moving Pettersson, honestly, since he's signed for a reasonable hit for the next two seasons and doesn't have an NTC/NMC, but he's a solid top 4 guy whom you could sell to other teams has having uptapped top-flight potential. POJ can be the 2nd pairing guy going forward, and we could pull in someone more complimentary for both Letang and the top pairing.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Shared my view of this before, so I'll keep it brief.

Don't know about bigger, but better LD would be my preference for sure. They influence results more than 2nd line wingers, and I don't believe in the strategy of relying on Petts, POJ being this good again. That's wishful thinking. We don't know if Smith will cut it at 3LD either.

Maybe it's not as fun with this approach, but I bet it would result in more wins. If we got another good one then I'd love our D-pairs going into the playoffs. We could win tight games. We'd get the puck into the hands of the forwards easier and more frequently. Someone like Rutta level or a bit better.

We only have 15.275M allocated towards the blue line next year right now. It's a great opportunity.

Yea I guess I was thinking bigger/better. Maybe another term would be a proven top 4 LD.

I suppose we could trade POJ or Smith for something. I don't think we should be keeping both I don't know If Smith can be sent down next year and I do not want young defensemen riding the press box.

One of the big reasons I suggest going cheap on the Left Side is Rutta as his #5 D play makes me feel like we can really insulate the #6. The issue is who plays tough minutes on LD and who takes a large portion of the minutes on the PK.

More I talk about the more my dream of an offensive threat in the top 6 dwindles.


I am about winning games is more fun then losing with more goals so I am fine with however they would like to operate. I will add that if the cap goes up 4 million instead of one we can UFA hunt for both positions.

I am against trading for chychurn unless they valued POJ or Smith highly where the value we have to add is not too bad. That is doable for me.

Edit: I am all about winning now and hoping for one last miracle run where we can go for it then the future. Future could suck for 50 years. We have a top 10 player all time and a top 20/30 player all time right now!

 

[SEALBound]

I think we can expect the LD next year to be Pettersson-POJ-Smith. Then a Rudwedel/Freidman as the 7/8.

Would we be willing to entertain:

Bleuger+Kapanen for Sundqvist+Kubalik?

Jake-Sid-Raks
Zuck-Geno-Rust
McGinn-Carter-Kubalik
Poehling-Sundqvist-Archi

Maybe it leaves a bit of open-endedness on the 4th line but it gives the 3rd line a bit more of a scoring punch.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

The thing I think about is moving Pettersson, honestly, since he's signed for a reasonable hit for the next two seasons and doesn't have an NTC/NMC, but he's a solid top 4 guy whom you could sell to other teams has having uptapped top-flight potential. POJ can be the 2nd pairing guy going forward, and we could pull in someone more complimentary for both Letang and the top pairing.

Definitely doable if POJ is truly 2nd pairing caliber long term. I need to see a lot more before trusting in that though. Like maybe 20 games with Petry or something, against stronger opposition.
It's worth mentioning that Petts was probably our best D in the playoffs. If he brings it in April again, that makes it tough to justify for me, since he's doing a fine job in the reg season already.

Who becomes our main LD PK'er when Dumo goes? Another important question.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I suppose we could trade POJ or Smith for something.

Hard pass on trading POJ if he keeps this up. One of the better 3rd pairing performances I can remember.
Only costs 825K next year. That could end up being huge. Feel like it'd be hard to win that trade short term, since we have no cap space.
Smith is the one who's RFA.

I am about winning games is more fun then losing with more goals so I am fine with however they would like to operate. I will add that if the cap goes up 4 million instead of one we can UFA hunt for both positions.

I'm in the same boat. Seen enough exciting Pens offenses in my lifetime to be so hellbent for more. Just want the Pens to not beat themselves. Besides, this new D would probably boost our offense anyway, by getting us out of our end where someone worse wouldn't. Maybe he won't get the assist but the possession/zone time/high danger counts will improve. We've seen that with Joseph this year. A lot of high corsi nights.

I am against trading for chychurn unless they valued POJ or Smith highly where the value we have to add is not too bad. That is doable for me.

Feel like there's been so much hype on Chychrun that the cost won't be worth it at this point. There'll be too much competition and Arizona will continue to try and milk his value hard, since they barely have anything. He gets injured a lot too.
Would need to take a look at the D UFA list, but I'm sure a good option will pop up come July.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Not sure @Peat even said the Marino trade fit the narrative. Just given reason to why JVR would never be acquired by us.

He could be acquired as a free agent. Or by a trade via third team a la Streit and Tampa.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Note anybody making around 1 million I am replacing them with one million players and don't count them as anything.


Zucker 5.5
Dumo 4.1

9.6 million off the books.
Top 4 slot + top 6 forward required.

Jarry raise from 3.5> 6 ?

Blueger 2.2 ? Do we keep him if we can get him under 3 million or is it time for DOC or Poehling to take it over. At 1 mil per.

Salary cap can go up either 1 million to 4 million.

If it is only 1 million that is

16.3 million

Starting goalie
Top 6
Top 4
4C

I think re signing Jarry is crucial so that's 10.3 million left.

I feel like the emergence of POJ and Smith 100% an NHLer could make up out left side.

10.3 to 9.3 million.

That's 9.3 million for a top 6 and 4C.

If we go cheap with Phoeling or DOC we can go big game hunting for a top 6 forward.

8.3 million !!

Could we go after someone like Bo Horvat if he makes free agency? I am not interested in trading assets but someone who wins faceoffs for Geno and just shoots the puck would be huge for us.


Note: yes I realize Guentzel needs an upgrade on the 6 million but the salary cap the year after may go up 8 million at that point. I think we will be fine.

Please share your thoughts.
I'd like to know if we should be going after a bigger LD and a worse option for top 6. I'm all in on talent though.

Recent reports say the cap is only going up 1M next year

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Shared my view of this before, so I'll keep it brief.

Don't know about bigger, but better LD would be my preference for sure. They influence results more than 2nd line wingers, and I don't believe in the strategy of relying on Petts, POJ being this good again. That's wishful thinking. We don't know if Smith will cut it at 3LD either.

Maybe it's not as fun with this approach, but I bet it would result in more wins. If we got another good one then I'd love our D-pairs going into the playoffs. We could win tight games. We'd get the puck into the hands of the forwards easier and more frequently. Someone like Rutta level or a bit better.

We only have 15.275M allocated towards the blue line next year right now. It's a great opportunity.

Pettersson has been good before he had a bit of a downturn in struggles and to me that was largely due to his pairing issues. Marino and him were never the right compliment and it showed and then the next partner Sullivan had for him was Ruhwedel which was even worse. POJ to me is starting to show his actual talent. It's clear you never saw him play outside of the Pens because what you see now is more of what he was doing in WBS and in Juniors. He's showing his confidence in his game. This isn't some lad that is on a hot streak, it's more or less a player finally figuring out how to play his game at this level after trying to find consistency in how his game should translate at the next levels.

I have issue with the fact that this team hangs on to old trash for too long - Brian Dumoulin was trending down for a while now, this is his 3rd season of it with this one being the worst of it all. I think just replacing Dumoulin and tweaks to our so called "defensive structure" would do us more good than losing Pettersson/POJ for someone else that will cost more and will still struggle in this system that is more of a problem than anything else, as well as the coach's bias.

When healthy, I would actually like to see Smith up and paired with Rutta.

Pettersson/POJ - Letang
Pettersson/POJ - Petry
Smith - Rutta
Dumoulin - until he walks or is moved.

I don't see that as a problem, the x-factor is the coaching and that's always going to be a problem. The lack of structure in the Pens own end when they're hemmed in shows a lack of proper procedure on what to do when in that situation. They all do the same thing, each pairing, which I mean, unless you think they're all the same f***ing player, it's the coaching. That defense can play well and we've seen it, but that structure isn't adapting.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He could be acquired as a free agent. Or by a trade via third team a la Streit and Tampa.

I think you and @Gurglesons mean TVR? He was a player I wanted on this team as the 3rd pair like a few years back, kind of gave up on that. I actually like Rutta and think Smith paired with him would be good rather than losing a Rutta type and adding a TVR but not having a Rutta type at all on the blueline which we need.

TVR is making 950k and is 31 and hitting free agency at the end of the season. I think another team will interest him more as a regular 3rd pair as there's no opening on the Pens RD side for a couple of seasons. I don't see him as wanting to be a 7th defenseman at all, there's a lot of teams that he could go to, hell he could go to Vancouver and sign a 2-3yr deal and he'd realistically move up to the 2nd or 1st pair with how bad their right side is. Rutta is solid, he is just stuck in the shuffle of a bad D-partner right now in Dumoulin.

I just want some garbaged cleared up on this team.

Dump: Heinen, Dumoulin, Ruhwedel.

Leave opportunities open for: Friedman, Smith, Hallander

 

[Gurglesons]

I think you and @Gurglesons mean TVR? He was a player I wanted on this team as the 3rd pair like a few years back, kind of gave up on that. I actually like Rutta and think Smith paired with him would be good rather than losing a Rutta type and adding a TVR but not having a Rutta type at all on the blueline which we need.

TVR is making 950k and is 31 and hitting free agency at the end of the season. I think another team will interest him more as a regular 3rd pair as there's no opening on the Pens RD side for a couple of seasons. I don't see him as wanting to be a 7th defenseman at all, there's a lot of teams that he could go to, hell he could go to Vancouver and sign a 2-3yr deal and he'd realistically move up to the 2nd or 1st pair with how bad their right side is. Rutta is solid, he is just stuck in the shuffle of a bad D-partner right now in Dumoulin.

I just want some garbaged cleared up on this team.

Dump: Heinen, Dumoulin, Ruhwedel.

Leave opportunities open for: Friedman, Smith, Hallander

No, Randy and I are advocating we bring in JVR out of Philly.