Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: Dr Strangedubas "Tankination" is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face."

[wheelz87]

I was in a good move when I was making my roster. Please ship out RR and Smith for anything. The definition of passengers. No emotion. gtfo

 

[Pens x]

Okay, Dubas, basically undo everything you did last summer and we will be better.

 

[Ryder71]

Okay, Dubas, basically undo everything you did last summer and we will be better.

He has done a great job. Bunting has been a revelation. The core is the issue, why? Because the PP is 31st, that's on them.

 

[Pens x]

He has done a great job. Bunting has been a revelation. The core is the issue, why? Because the PP is 31st, that's on them.

Graves is awful.
Smith sucks.
Not firing Sully and/or the assistants.
Jarry deal kind of sucks.

He had been far from “great.”

 

[Ryder71]

Graves is awful.
Smith sucks.
Not firing Sully and/or the assistants.
Jarry deal kind of sucks.

He had been far from “great.”

You're crazy, glad he's steering the ship instead of that bum Hextall. Yager and Koivunen looking good (thanks Kyle), Bunting (thanks Kyle), Yager and Koivunen should be here in a couple years after the loser dinosaurs die off.

 

[Pens x]

You're crazy, glad he's steering the ship instead of that bum Hextall. Yager and Koivunen looking good (thanks Kyle), Bunting (thanks Kyle), Yager and Koivunen should be here in a couple years after the loser dinosaurs die off.

I hate Hextall, no arguments there. But let’s not forget you were one of the last posters to turn on him. Give sleepy until the deadline! It is no surprise you can’t knock Kyle yet.

 

[Ryder71]

I hate Hextall, no arguments there. But let’s not forget you were one of the last posters to turn on him. Give sleepy until the deadline! It is no surprise you can’t knock Kyle yet.

What about the trade though? Looking pretty good right now and a prospect hasn't even made an impact yet!

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Graves is awful.
Smith sucks.
Not firing Sully and/or the assistants.
Jarry deal kind of sucks.

He had been far from “great.”

We're still hammering Dubas?

The EK deal was as close to as "all our garbage for your star" type deal that you can get. I still can't get over that!

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

You're crazy, glad he's steering the ship instead of that bum Hextall. Yager and Koivunen looking good (thanks Kyle), Bunting (thanks Kyle), Yager and Koivunen should be here in a couple years after the loser dinosaurs die off.

There is one loser dinosaur. Whether or not Dubas re-signs him - even at league min - will definitely tip the scales in the Dubas/Hextall argument. Same with Harkins.

 

[66-30-33]

Jarry will finish the season with more goals then Harkins.

A truely terribad player. Nhl NHL quality but was forced into the lineup anyway and provided nothing at all...

 

[Gurglesons]

We're still hammering Dubas?

The EK deal was as close to as "all our garbage for your star" type deal that you can get. I still can't get over that!

Why would we not hammer Dubas? He’s a huge reason why this team is going to miss the playoffs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dubas doesn't deserve either praise or criticism for the job he has done so far, because he hasn't had a notable impact on the team. The team is basically exactly what it was last year: borderline playoff team that probably falls just short of making the playoffs. Nothing Dubas has done has changed that status of the team.

He has made both good moves and bad moves. I think the Bunting addition has been great, he got a solid return for Guentzel and I think the Karlsson trade was good (even with my issues with Karlsson). I also like the Eller addition. On the other side, the Graves and Acciari deals looks like duds and the Jarry deal isn't much better. They didn't pay a lot for Smith and I think he has been fine for the price they paid, but he's also a guy they likely move on from after this year. This also doesn't touch on the moves he didn't make, namely with the coaching staff.

He's been fine for the Penguins, that's about it. Painfully mediocre, just like everything else with this team.

 

[Come on]

Smith traded at the draft. I am thinking Petts topped put here and has value. I move him and add a LD with more bang. Graves I think used as more of a stay home not pinch as much works better in year 2. POJ is just not good enough. Dubas has 16 million to sign a 3rd LW with grit. a solid 3rd line RW as Puustinen just isn't strong enough to make NHL plays. Maybe a S&C program can add the 6 to 8 pounds he needs. Gruden Dubas likes and I am in the Poulin camp here as 4th line center. Acciari bounces back on 4rg line RW. DOC adds weight as well.
DOC Sid Rust
Bunting Geno RR
FA Eller ?
Gruden Poulin Acciari

You don't trade your best defensive dman and keep possibly the worst defenseman I've ever seen(including Jack Johnson) that makes zero sense man. Graves adds ZERO no actually he subtracts from this team. I would play Shea forever before I would put that brain dead pilon back on the ice.

 

[chethejet]

Petts slid here and I do think he is about what he will be. He to me is not a LD that gives a team a strong point. It is not he is bad, it is do you extend him after this coming year? I prefer a more physical player. Graves to me was used as a puck moving D man playing up and getting in trouble. He is not a good enough skater to do that. Look his contract is not great but he can play better next year as he has skill, Since I think dubas will make changes here Karlsson gone after next year for one. I also consider Petts as he has value and for me I look at options there.

 

[Gurglesons]

Dubas doesn't deserve either praise or criticism for the job he has done so far, because he hasn't had a notable impact on the team. The team is basically exactly what it was last year: borderline playoff team that probably falls just short of making the playoffs. Nothing Dubas has done has changed that status of the team.

He has made both good moves and bad moves. I think the Bunting addition has been great, he got a solid return for Guentzel and I think the Karlsson trade was good (even with my issues with Karlsson). I also like the Eller addition. On the other side, the Graves and Acciari deals looks like duds and the Jarry deal isn't much better. They didn't pay a lot for Smith and I think he has been fine for the price they paid, but he's also a guy they likely move on from after this year. This also doesn't touch on the moves he didn't make, namely with the coaching staff.

He's been fine for the Penguins, that's about it. Painfully mediocre, just like everything else with this team.

Weird how Ron Hextall was the antichrist, but Kyle Dubas doing the same thing is just “whatever”.

 

[Ryder71]

Why would we not hammer Dubas? He’s a huge reason why this team is going to miss the playoffs.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Weird how Ron Hextall was the antichrist, but Kyle Dubas doing the same thing is just “whatever”.

Depending on how you look at it, there is truth to what you are saying. Even though I'm in the camp of Hextall sucking, and Dubas being much better.

If you key in on no coaching changes, and no lineup changes until the trade deadline, then yes, I agree with that...they both sucked equally.

However, I see Dubas being more capable than Hextall. He appears more organized structured, and calculating. The Granlund vs Guentzel deals is an obvious comparison. The EK deal (saying it again), I don't think Hextall could have orchestrated that.

I would be interested in seeing what happens this summer. That should conclusively move Dubas' needle towards or away from Hextall.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The issue isn't that Dubas is worse than Hextall. The issue is that following Hextall, the bar to clear his body of work was so low it may have been subterranean, and Dubas still stumbled.

 

[MrBrightside]

The issue isn't that Dubas is worse than Hextall. The issue is that following Hextall, the bar to clear his body of work was so low it may have been subterranean, and Dubas still stumbled.

I've not been a huge fan of Dubas' work thus far, but the mess he was left by Hextall and the existing aging core made it a really tough spot. Dubas has been a C+ GM at a time they needed an A/A- GM.

 

[SEALBound]

Weird how Ron Hextall was the antichrist, but Kyle Dubas doing the same thing is just “whatever”.

Expansion draft, Jeff Carter, Granlund, Petry, Rutta, Kapanen, Smith...even Sullivan

Hextall took the team from a regular playoff contender to the borderline playoff team we see. Dubas just hasn't been able to boost it back up yet...after one season...

Dubas has good and bad on his resume thus far here but Hextall 1000% deserved to be fired.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I've not been a huge fan of Dubas' work thus far, but the mess he was left by Hextall and the existing aging core made it a really tough spot. Dubas has been a C+ GM at a time they needed an A/A- GM.

Yeah, I mean, I frankly don't give a f*** about this era anymore after the past 6ish years of Sullivan, JR and Hextall's handiwork, and some downright awful decisions from ownership--I just haven't been impressed with Dubas at all.

All he has to do is fire the coaching staff and I'd be satisfied until the teardown/rebuild begins.

 

[Coastal Kev]

He has done a great job. Bunting has been a revelation. The core is the issue, why? Because the PP is 31st, that's on them.

Great job? He didn't last summer.

 

[Rave7215]

I've not been a huge fan of Dubas' work thus far, but the mess he was left by Hextall and the existing aging core made it a really tough spot. Dubas has been a C+ GM at a time they needed an A/A- GM.

At this point, I honestly can't give a grade to Dubas. Hell, I'm a little more lenient on Hextall these days (he was awful) because I really can't evaluate with Sully on the bench. When the same things keep happening under different GMs, it's clearly an indictment on the coaching staff.

 

[SEALBound]

Dubas is at neutral with me. He did some great, good, bad, and horrible things. Looking at everything he did since hired, it's actually been quite a bit and let's face it, there was A LOT to clean up.

The horrible things he's done really only include resigning Jarry to a moster deal and not firing the entire coaching staff, starting with Sullivan. Nothing will change until that is done.

There's some signings and trade that have work out really well - Bunting, Neds, Eller and other that haven't - Nieto, Acciari, Graves. I still like the EK trade. It's not Dubas's fault that EK goes out and makes glaring mistakes that costs the team games sometimes. It IS Dubas's fault that the coaching staff has this team's PP at 31st OV and that they look like they are all 65yo at times.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

IMO, Sully is the issue, and FSG with him. Dubi can't fire him so he went out and got Dully his guys. They all turned out to suck along with the guys we brought in that were good on their old teams and suck this year (EK, Graves, Smith). They'll probably look good on the teams they go to as well like most of Sully's castoffs.