Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: Dr Strangedubas "Tankination" is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face."

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Zbynek

Jarry friggin sucks dude
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Crazy trade idea (add picks prospects to balance):

To PIT
Jakub Chychrun (1 x 4.4M)
Joonas Korpisalo (4 x 4M)
Mathieu Joseph (2.95 x 2M)
Total cap: 10.4M

To OTT
Tristain Jarry (4 x 5.4M)
Ryan Graves (5 x 4.5M)
Owen Pickering
Total cap: 9.9M

The thought is (from a value standpoint, not immediate on-ice impacts):

Pickering < Chychrun
Jarry >> Korpisalo
Graves << Joseph

Tell me I'm crazy.
We're definitely under more pressure to get out of those contracts than Ottawa is to get out of theirs.

If Jarry gets traded (which I doubt will happen, I think we missed our best chance at the TDL) I think it will be for a Markstrom type. No chance the Flames are on Jarry's list of tradable teams though. Maybe Samsonov? Tricky thing with goalie trades is getting the roster spots and cap right as there's almost always a goalie headed each way
 

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Nah that’s just Jarry on his own.



When Bunting is on the 3rd line and everyone is saying Malkin sucks in December I’ll be here

Depending on the coach system that's entirely possible for a number of reasons.

A- folks here are going to say Malkin sucks regardless. So that's not that hot of a take.
B- in a better system Bunting SHOULD be on the third line and moved up/back down accordingly. Precisely like Hornqvist was. Granted at this point his first look should be with Geno whether Geno is on the wing or not. If we landed Kadri that would be a sick line.

This is a sad day when folks are just relegated to the fact that we have a scoring line, a sort of scoring line, then two lines of ass. You NEED 4 lines to score. What Sullivan has done isn't a theory at this point - it's a straight up fallacy/failure.
 
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The Old Master

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Bunting 19 points in 21 games. Only took 2 pims. Not to mention the goals off his screens he didn't get on the scoresheet for.
At 4.5M and playing with a 37-year-old Center, you gotta be happy with that.
It's nice to see someone do better here than with his previous team, for a change.
and how long do you think that will last?
 
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AuroraBorealis

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I don't expect a 74 point pace. But if he could keep it at a 25 goal 50 to 60 point pace that would be great.
Well unlike Rakell, Smith and Rust, his spot on PP1 is secure with our need for a net-front guy. So that makes those kinda numbers very attainable, yeah.
I can't believe Dubas valued him in a trade.
Cap needed to come back to make it work. Plus we needed a top-six winger, and they had the Leafs connection. It was an obvious choice, especially with Bunting being sorta meh in Carolina.
I absolutely hated this guy before the trade so Michael really blew me away with that statline. What's more is all the energy he injected into this team off the scoresheet.
Yes, finally someone with a strong compete factor and swagger. Was desperately needed.

and how long do you think that will last?
I could see him getting north of 50 points next year, with his PP1 spot virtually locked up. His career average is pretty solid.
 
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One thing that's interesting to bring up at this point, I guess, is Sid's extension. Several people expect him to sign a 3yr extension...but for $10.5mil. I have no doubt he'll sign the extension. The years are irrelevant. The interesting discussion point is cap hit. Do we really think Sid is going to ask for $10.5mil? Or is it more reasonable to assume that he would want to stay in that $8.7mil range and take the discount the way Geno and Letang did in order to spread more money around?
 

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Bunting exceeded expectations, but Guentz has 25 in 17 in carolina (and usually a garbage stat but also +16 in those 17 games). Sure he would walk this offseason but maybe those additoinal 6 points put the pens in the POs :D
 

AuroraBorealis

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Bunting exceeded expectations, but Guentz has 25 in 17 in carolina (and usually a garbage stat but also +16 in those 17 games). Sure he would walk this offseason but maybe those additoinal 6 points put the pens in the POs :D
9 PPP's in 17 games with Carolina. 13 in 50 games here.
25 points in 17 games was not possible here with our Power Play.
 

The Old Master

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One thing that's interesting to bring up at this point, I guess, is Sid's extension. Several people expect him to sign a 3yr extension...but for $10.5mil. I have no doubt he'll sign the extension. The years are irrelevant. The interesting discussion point is cap hit. Do we really think Sid is going to ask for $10.5mil? Or is it more reasonable to assume that he would want to stay in that $8.7mil range and take the discount the way Geno and Letang did in order to spread more money around?
this!
 
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Jag68Sid87

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I have a few different takes about next season's roster. I actually think most of what we saw down the stretch should be what we roll with to begin 2024-25. With some changes, of course. But I believe that if the team we rolled out for MOST of this season was the lineup down the stretch, we would have comfortably made the playoffs. That means Joseph-Letang instead of healthy scratching the former because we had to play much lesser talent instead. Ryan Graves struggled for most of this season, but I think he was fine as the third-pairing LD. Too expensive for that role? Of course, but square pegs in round holes don't work either. And now he is coming off a concussion and the team took off without him. He should begin as St. Ivany's partner next season, imo.

And St. Ivany made a major impact in my opinion. Ruhwedel is exactly what Sullivan likes and exactly what Dubas needs to be rid of in order for this franchise to move forward. Ryan Shea? Meh. He is as good as he is ever going to be at 27 going on 28 next year. If they want to re-sign him on the cheap, fine. But Ludvig is younger and brings a different style, and Joseph is far more talented and just needs some love from the coaching staff. To me, I would not change much in terms of defensive personnel. Replace Shea with Graves and have Ludvig as the seventh D-man. We need new coaches to get the best out of this group.

We have to stop trading draft picks to make players go away. That needs to stop A S A P. Players that have positive trade value should be moved, and those that need to bounce back should stay. I believe Graves and Rakell should stay because they need to bounce back. I think this off-season is the perfect time to trade Lars Eller because he only has one year left and is coming off a strong season. Sullivan probably wants him back for sure, so trade him. Dubas needs to become the anti-Sullivan. The yin to the yang. At his best, that is what Rutherford was imo. Make Sullivan uncomfortable behind the bench, that is what we need. He never liked Phil Kessel, but he won with Phil Kessel. I don't know if Sullivan is comfortable with Erik Karlsson, so we need to keep Erik Karlsson. I think Year 2 is going to be a lot better for EK65, and I would not be surprised in the least if he led the Penguins in scoring in 2024-25. 90 points. I would not be surprised.

Up front, the top two left-wingers sold me down the stretch. I hated Michael Bunting with unnatural passion upon his arrival, but he has won me over. He is absolutely perfect for Geno. I don't care how old Geno is. With Bunting on his left side, he can be a point-per-game player again. No doubt in my mind. Is Rakell the right fit on the right wing? I don't think so. I think this is where Dubas needs to act this summer. I think we should bring in a RW to play with Bunting and Malkin. Sam Reinhart is probably the perfect fit, but we might not be able to pull that off. Steven Stamkos, even though he is old for what we want to do, could REALLY improve this power play. He also can take face-offs for Geno on one side, not that face-offs are a problem for this team. We can afford to slip a bit in that area because it was a luxury this season. I don't want to bring in any player over the age of 25 this off-season, but I think we could do an exception for a good fit for Line 2.

I don't want to mess with Crosby's line. O'Connor has more upside than I thought. His size and speed are absolutely perfect for the first line. I never liked Rust on the top line, but he proved me wrong with a strong season this year. I think he fits in better with Crosby and O'Connor than he did with Guentzel. My opinion. Sullivan is loathe to play Crosby will certain players with more upside, so this is as good as we can hope for. And honestly, they looked great down the stretch. Does O'Connor have another level?

The third line is the problem up front. I think we have enough players to fill out a competent fourth line next season. I assume Acciari will be back and assume that Jeff Carter role. I prefer him on the wing but without Carter, Sullivan will absolutely want Acciari down the middle. And I am OK with that so long as there is more talent on his line. We can't have Harkins-Acciari-Nieto, which is probably a Sullivan wet dream of a line. But guys like Puljujarvi, Bemstrom, Puustinen, Poulin et al should be decent there.

We need to not only trade Eller but Reilly Smith too. He is yet another good player who is not a Mike Sullivan player for some strange reason. Plus, I don't think he fits with either Crosby or Malkin. Not nearly as well as the other two LWs. And he only has a year left and has a great rep. Dubas should be able to fetch something for him.

I would like to see Rakell on the third line, with two younger players. And then maybe Acciari centering a fourth line with younger players. That third-line center position is interesting. We now have three internal options that we did not have last off-season, which necessitated the Eller signing. Poulin was coming off a personal leave of absence, so his future was cloudy. Yager was drafted in the first round. Ponomarev was acquired in the Guentzel trade. We should definitely see what we have in these three players before spending more dollars or draft capital via trade. I would like to see Rakell and Bemstrom together. I am a big believer in chemistry, and I have to think two Swedes on a line and two Finns on another line is better than one of each on two different lines. Maybe I am nitpicking, but chemistry is important.

And then there is the goaltending question. I don't think Dubas is tied to Jarry, per se. Yeah he signed him. He also let him test free agency before re-signing him. Dubas felt Jarry was the best goaltender available on the market, and he was probably right. He is also the one who signed Ned, so I don't think he would hesitate to make a change. The main reason to trade Jarry, at least for me, is that he can bring back more than Smith and more than Eller. We might be able to get back into the first round of the draft by dealing Jarry. If we can move on from Jarry, then we should go with Nedeljkovic and Blomqvist. Is the latter ready? Who knows. Nobody knows anything about goaltending and if they think they do, they are usually proven incorrect. I thought both Cam Talbot and Jonathan Quick were done as NHL goaltenders, and they both had resurgences this season. Stolarz had a career season. Alex Lyon continues to defy logic. Where did U-P Luukkonen come from? Etc. With goaltending, there will be ups and there will be downs. There are only a handful of goaltenders that teams know exactly what they are getting year over year.

Biggest change has to come behind the bench. New blood. New ideas. And an entirely different power-play setup.

O'Connor-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Reinhart?
Rakell-Yager-Bemstrom
Puljujarvi-Acciari-Puustinen
Poulin

Pettersson-Karlsson
Joseph-Letang
Graves-St. Ivany
Ludvig

Nedeljkovic
Blomqvist

Reinhart-Bunting-Crosby
Karlsson-Malkin

Bemstrom-Yager-Puljujarvi/Puustinen
Rakell-Letang


I would be fairly excited to see this lineup next season.
 
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Bunting exceeded expectations, but Guentz has 25 in 17 in carolina (and usually a garbage stat but also +16 in those 17 games). Sure he would walk this offseason but maybe those additoinal 6 points put the pens in the POs :D
The goal of the Guentzel trade was never to replace Jake's production with a single person. We fully understood that we were giving up the best player.

Which is why we got:

Bunting
Ponomarev
Koivunen
Lucius
Cond 1st / 2nd
5th

PK tried to say the same thing but if Jake was going to "help THAT much" he would have done so over the course of the season and we wouldn't have been in the spot we were. And if they didn't make the trade and missed, Dubas would have looked quite the fool. Instead, he got back Bunting and a plethora of talent. He is now able to add 4 additional players to our bleak prospect pool which getting a nearly PPG player who fit very well.

Anyone who thinks that trade was bad still, is a f***ing idiot. Plain and simple.
 
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