Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[ChaosAgent]

Erod - Went on an absolute tear that wasn't substantial with or without Geno - his #s are going to be extremely skewed during that streak

Kap - played some of his best hockey 2 years ago with Geno - never really put anything together

Zucker - Zucker was injured, Geno wasn't - Zucker healthy (if you want to call it that) Geno was injured. They have rarely played with one another healthy

Carter - fell off after he was eating all the mins covering Crosby/Malkin time. He helped keep our heads above water when we needed him but obviously took its toll later in the season.

None of these players have had significant time with Geno

Out of all of these players, you've only offered a plausible explanation for one's underperformance with vs. without Malkin: Evan Rodrigues. The others I guess we just say they grip their sticks tighter or just get unluckier or gosh, they just suck without Malkin.

I mean there are plenty of fans singing the "Malkin's linemates suck" tune that also want to bring back Zucker. Or Kapanen. Or Heinen. And will defend Carter.

I do think Geno-Rust can be a good foundation for a L2. Sully needs to tell Sid that Rusty is off limits, and Rust shouldn't really care about Sid vs. Geno...he already got his money.

You still give a damn about the regular season?

Last regular season we were carried by hot streaks early season from ERod, Jarry and consistently good play from L1. The second half we were closer to a bubble team.

I don't take making the playoffs for granted moving forward.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Out of all of these players, you've only offered a plausible explanation for one's underperformance with vs. without Malkin: Evan Rodrigues. The others I guess we just say they grip their sticks tighter or just get unluckier or gosh, they just suck without Malkin.

I mean there are plenty of fans singing the "Malkin's linemates suck" tune that also want to bring back Zucker. Or Kapanen. Or Heinen. And will defend Carter.

I do think Geno-Rust can be a good foundation for a L2. Sully needs to tell Sid that Rusty is off limits, and Rust shouldn't really care about Sid vs. Geno...he already got his money.



Last regular season we were carried by hot streaks early season from ERod, Jarry and consistently good play from L1. The second half we were closer to a bubble team.

I don't take making the playoffs for granted moving forward.

I thought Kapanen underperforming in general as a player no matter who he's paired with was pretty self explanatory and Zuckers injury history here but I guess that's worlds too much for your comprehension level

 

[ChaosAgent]

I thought Kapanen underperforming in general as a player no matter who he's paired with was pretty self explanatory and Zuckers injury history here but I guess that's worlds too much for your comprehension level

Kapanen performed better not with Malkin than with Malkin, in 2021-2022

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Zucker performed better not with Malkin than with Malkin, in 2021-2022

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Heinen was narrowly worse with Malkin from an actual goals, narrowly better from an expected goals standpoint.

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All of your bullshit filibustering about Kapanen and Zucker's holistic time here doesn't address why they are worse with Malkin than without him. We can compare reading comprehension test scores some other time.

 

[dogthateats]

Are we doing a development camp thread?

 

[Bowski]

Last regular season we were carried by hot streaks early season from ERod, Jarry and consistently good play from L1. The second half we were closer to a bubble team.

I don't take making the playoffs for granted moving forward.

That's true, the second half was a limp to the non-WC finish line (not that it would have actually mattered).

But if Geno's regular-season health and ability are a significant crutch for this team getting into the playoffs now, then there's not much point in trying to compete anymore, since it's been in question for some time now.

Both glass goalies get injured come playoff again, or blowing it again Jarry style:

 

[Pens x]

Hextall better hope our goalies work out this year or he’s a goner. It’s risky to double down on those two after the last two years.

 

[ChaosAgent]

But if Geno's regular-season health and ability are a significant crutch for this team getting into the playoffs now, then there's not much point in trying to compete anymore, since it's been in question for some time now.

The truth is: we don't know.
Geno could come back gangbusters. We could actually make a splash to upgrade his linemates (ahem - dump Zucker for someone actually worth $5.5M). Or maybe I'm totally wrong and the following just works great:
Zucker/Heinen-Geno-Rust/Rakell

There is a huge upside case to be made with L2 with Geno on it. We probably SHOULD swing for the fences on L2 and that includes Malkin. Not to mention he's needed on the powerplay.

But the downside is that we've had 4 straight years of an ineffective L2. Geno's best stretch since May of 2018 was when he was actually centering L1. And even that was when he was 33 and not 36-38. Not to mention all the injuries.

But because it's an unknown it has to knock his price down.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Kapanen performed better not with Malkin than with Malkin, in 2021-2022

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

www.naturalstattrick.com

Zucker performed better not with Malkin than with Malkin, in 2021-2022

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

www.naturalstattrick.com

Heinen was narrowly worse with Malkin from an actual goals, narrowly better from an expected goals standpoint.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

www.naturalstattrick.com

All of your bullshit filibustering about Kapanen and Zucker's holistic time here doesn't address why they are worse with Malkin than without him. We can compare reading comprehension test scores some other time.

Scorings rates (GF/60) for Kapanen & Zucker (by a lot), was better with Malkin. Heinen’s narrowly went down with Malkin.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Scorings rates (GF/60) for Kapanen & Zucker (by a lot), was better with Malkin. Heinen’s narrowly went down with Malkin.

But goals against was much higher as well.

That also luck? Or a product of a Run & Gun, chance-trading offensive style?
It's not that I think the Trochecks of the world are better players than a 36 year old Geno in a vacuum. But I think L2 now has played loose hockey for 3 out of the last 4 years. When only Geno has the ability to make the killer pass or finish to justify a chance-trading game.
In 2016 playoffs Geno played with untalented linemates but they played a restrained, low event game. I haven't seen that from him since. With the very important/notable exception of these last playoffs. Where he was great.

 

[Tom Hanks]

But goals against was much higher as well.

That also luck? Or a product of a Run & Gun, chance-trading offensive style?
It's not that I think the Trochecks of the world are better players than a 36 year old Geno in a vacuum. But I think L2 now has played loose hockey for 3 out of the last 4 years. When only Geno has the ability to make the killer pass or finish to justify a chance-trading game.
In 2016 playoffs Geno played with untalented linemates but they played a restrained, low event game. I haven't seen that from him since. With the very important/notable exception of these last playoffs. Where he was great.

I thought you were just talking about goal scoring for us. My bad

 

[ChaosAgent]

I thought you were just talking about goal scoring for us. My bad

I mean, the 97% Geno WAR number basically says he was amazingly unlucky in terms of both goals for and against last year.

If it doesn't say that directly, it is cut from the same cloth as xG and xGA.

And I, Joe Schmo/Blow, evaluate a player on GF and GA. Hockey is way too fluid to say offense is the forwards' job alone and defense is the defense man's job alone.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Geno admitted for a while all season that he didn't feel right because if no training in the off season. This off season he is training like normal. He'll be back to being a beast.



For some team since FSG morons are being wankers.

 

[Peat]

Boston Buckburger is an A+ name.

 

[Bowski]

Sid is too classy of a guy, but it would take one short sentence to the management:

And Geno would be signed for life.

Nice that he went down to Florida to visit and boost the big man's spirits.
Lurch can be too darn sensitive sometimes.

 

[Peat]

Erod - Went on an absolute tear that wasn't substantial with or without Geno - his #s are going to be extremely skewed during that streak

Kap - played some of his best hockey 2 years ago with Geno - never really put anything together

Zucker - Zucker was injured, Geno wasn't - Zucker healthy (if you want to call it that) Geno was injured. They have rarely played with one another healthy

Carter - fell off after he was eating all the mins covering Crosby/Malkin time. He helped keep our heads above water when we needed him but obviously took its toll later in the season.

None of these players have had significant time with Geno

Worth noting Kapanen and Zucker saw a lot of ERod on that tear. I am too lazy to drill down into how they were doing with non-Geno players around the time they actually saw Geno but just from memory, all of Carter/Erod/Kapanen sucked with a lot of guys around that time.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Sid is too classy of a guy, but it would take one short sentence to the management:

And Geno would be signed for life.

Nice that he went down to Florida to visit and boost the big man's spirits.
Lurch can be too darn sensitive sometimes.

If what was said is to be believed...

Pens were waiting to sign Malkin when he was back from his knee injury - Something Mario Lemieux was pushing to happen.
Around that same time, FSG made a bid, bought the team, Mario is basically just a fraction owner with a glorified ambassador role now and around this time they decided to wait out how Geno played to make the contract offer.

Now apparently, Crosby himself didn't go to see Geno to make him sign, because Sid apparently wouldn't do that but also because he likely knows that's also a shit offer. But also maybe because Sidney Crosby had a lot of pull when the owner was a bloke he used to live with in the basement vs a massive conglomerate of dirtbags from Boston, Mass.

All Sid can do is go and see his mate and hope he's doing ok because it's clear, Geno is actually hurt and to understand that is to understand what he did the prior year when he decided not to get surgery so he was available to the team and put his own injury at risk to do it. No one may care, but that's how much Malkin gave a f***.

He has a routine like Sid, he trains before the season, the knee injury and recovery didn't allow him to and so even while he was off the whole season, he was still a ppg and scored 20 goals, if anyone thinks he's not f***ing elite, they're f***ing stupid.

This all better end with Geno getting a new contract, otherwise f*** FSG.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Pens are fine committing to Letang for 6yrs, a bloke that in his entire NHL career has only ever played 1 full season in his career and misses a ton of games, hell he had a f***ing stroke and suffers from severe migraines.

But Malkin, who only held off because he wanted to be there for a deeper run, had knee surgery and is called fragile and all this other stupid f***ing shit. Had we known what happened the year before was going to happen, maybe Malkin would go for his knee surgery, then he'd get blamed for that then, too. It's funny how there's no winning for Malkin, everyone has always found it easier to hate on Malkin and point fingers at him for bs.

 

[Zbynek]

Geno's stats in:

2009 Cup Run: 14 G, 22 A, 36 P in 24 games played (Led team in scoring)
2016 Cup Run: 6 G, 12 A, 18 P in 23 games played (#3 in scoring - Kessel 22 P, Crosby 19 P)
2017 Cup Run: 10 G, 18 A, 28 P in 25 games played (Led team in scoring)

Do the Pens win any of those Cups without Malkin?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Are we doing a development camp thread?

Zam already Penguining at a professional level.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Also no way in hell is Boston Buckberger a real name, lol you cannot be serious.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Zam already Penguining at a professional level.

A natural fit. Well done, kid.

Great to see Lindberg participating though, at this juncture in July. Hopefully he's fully recovered and can get his career back on track.

Geno's stats in:

2009 Cup Run: 14 G, 22 A, 36 P in 24 games played (Led team in scoring)
2016 Cup Run: 6 G, 12 A, 18 P in 23 games played (#3 in scoring - Kessel 22 P, Crosby 19 P)
2017 Cup Run: 10 G, 18 A, 28 P in 25 games played (Led team in scoring)

Do the Pens win any of those Cups without Malkin?

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No

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

Who TF names their kid Boston. God we're getting more infantile by the day.

I don't want to hear another word from sources or Malkin or Rossi or whoever until a deal is signed or he goes to FA. Playground drama is just lame.

 

[Bowski]

Also no way in hell is Boston Buckberger a real name, lol you cannot be serious.

LOL, it's some sort of Kelly prepubescent mini-me with hair, sent from our friends the Flyers.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

It’s truly hard for me to believe that a deal won’t be struck when both sides are simply one year apart (if those numbers are true and accurate). Especially when Malkin is motivated to re-sign. Like this is madness that they haven’t been able to find a way to get it done yet when both sides are as close as they allegedly are.

 

[ronduguayshair]

Letang's issue has never been his physical strength, what he has in physique, he has the opposite in hockey IQ.

The one thing about Malkin blokes tend to skip over is that he prioritizes the team over his own body, that's just the beast and character that Malkin is and a lot of blokes here do not deserve to ever cheer his name or wear anything of his without that understanding, f***ing walnuts.

He decided to play through his knee injury last year thinking his team would go deep, then had to go through a lengthy surgery and recovery that he didn't like because he couldn't train and be ready...FOR THE TEAM.

Even on 1 f***ing leg, he put up what, 4 or 5pts in 4 games that year?

All the dark shit that is about to happen to this team when Malkin is gone this summer because of FSG and other shitheels, this franchise will have earned for the rest of its existence.

Pretty much every player plays through injuries. Again you’re pushing a silly narrative for a favorite player.