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Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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HandshakeLine said:
Again, why though? At that point, any Pens team FSG can ice is in full rebuild, unless they've huffed enough of their own farts to convince themselves that they'll be perpetual contenders.

I understand trying to get the best deal and all, but it seems kind of dumb to worry about term for Letang.
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Would you be saying the same thing if JR had agreed to this deal?
 
DesertedPenguin said:
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I think this is just a dramatic way of saying that “powerful” people are pushing for the deal to come together now that they’re likely only that one year apart. It was never as far apart in reality as the leaks made it seem, it was just negotiating.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
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Yeah, I'm getting the same vibe. It just seems like getting the Letang contract done was the kick in the ass the team needed to get Malkin signed. When you're going down with the Crosby/Letang core, and Crosby and Letang say very bluntly they want Malkin to stay, it makes it pretty clear.

I think Letang signing to that super team friendly deal sobered up a lot of the parties involved to think "are we really going to go forward with just Crosby and Letang?", and everyone on both sides realized that wasn't an acceptable outcome.

I think JP Barry leaking the "Malkin is totally willing to go to free agency, guys" to LeBrun on Day 1 of the draft was really the last public pressure we're going to see in these negotiations.

Dipsy Doodle said:
Seeing guys like Forsberg and Palat get closer to UFA while we're paying Zucker 5.5 mil is painful.
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Forsberg is going to cost nearly double what Zucker is making.

This team would never be able to afford Forsberg.
 
Solzhenitsyn said:
I think this is just a dramatic way of saying that “powerful” people are pushing for the deal to come together now that they’re likely only that one hear apart. It was never as far apart in reality as the leaks made it seem, it was just negotiating.
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I think both parties knew Malkin would stay but they just played negotiating games to squeeze each other as much as possible (for good reasons).

With Free Agency fast approaching they know we’ve got more to do so it should get done this weekend so we know where the salary cap is at
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The Flyers have Rasmus Ristolainen and Tony DeAngelo as their top-4 RD going forward :laugh:

It might be okay if Ellis comes back, but those two can't play even a shred of defense.
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And they paid 7 (!) draft picks (a first, multiple seconds) to upgrade that from Gostisbehere and Robert Hagg.

Crazy to think a team would expend that much draft capital, to say nothing of that awful extension to Ristolainen, and might've arguably been better off just doing nothing.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Again, why though? At that point, any Pens team FSG can ice is in full rebuild, unless they've huffed enough of their own farts to convince themselves that they'll be perpetual contenders.

I understand trying to get the best deal and all, but it seems kind of dumb to worry about term for Letang.
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FSG is against rebuilding, based on all the podcasts I've listened to. This includes after Sid's gone.
They will re-tool.
So Letang's term matters.

It's a problem for another day though, so no one will care for a while.

My hope is that they'll change their mind when reality sets in that our asset pool is too weak to re-tool and contend. But we'll see when the time comes.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
FSG is against rebuilding, based on all the podcasts I've listened to. This includes after Sid's gone.
They will re-tool.
So Letang's term matters.

It's a problem for another day though, so no one will care for a while.

My hope is that they'll change their mind when reality sets in that our asset pool is too weak to re-tool and contend. But we'll see when the time comes.
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Eh Crosby told Yohe he wanted to play 6 more years with Letang.

I don't know that they'll actually be contending over that window, but I think it's safe to assume that Crosby isn't going to be retiring after his current deal like a lot of people have expected.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
FSG is against rebuilding, based on all the podcasts I've listened to. This includes after Sid's gone.
They will re-tool.
So Letang's term matters.

It's a problem for another day though, so no one will care for a while.

My hope is that they'll change their mind when reality sets in that our asset pool is too weak to re-tool and contend. But we'll see when the time comes.
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Don't know if $6M of dead money for Letang/year is the biggest impediment if the cap is at $90-95M and rising.
 
Did Crosby say he wants to play 6 more years or something more like I hope to be playing 6 more years. I thought it was the latter and I feel like there is a difference, but I also feel like a dorky internet sleuth for pointing that out and don’t feel like looking it up.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Eh Crosby told Yohe he wanted to play 6 more years with Letang.

I don't know that they'll actually be contending over that window, but I think it's safe to assume that Crosby isn't going to be retiring after his current deal like a lot of people have expected.
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Nothing I said contradicts that.
FSG will roll with these guys to the end, then re-tool with Sid and Letang retiring here. They won't have significant value in a trade at that point anyway. It'll be the guys around them who are dealt.

At least, everything I've heard indicates they think they can re-tool later and get us back to contention that way.
I don't see how that will come to fruition. Rust and Jake will be 3 years older and far less valuable. Geno will be toast too.

And yeah I agree Sid will play to 40+ barring concussions/injuries.
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Don't know if $6M of dead money for Letang/year is the biggest impediment if the cap is at $90-95M and rising.
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The landscape won't be that different at 86.5M when we re-tool, unless the rules change.

Right now he makes 7.39% of our cap.
In 4 years it will be 7.05%.
At year 6 > 6.89%

It's something, but meh...
Still gonna hurt if he sucks.
 
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I thought the league were making noises that after 2-3 years the escrow debt would be paid off and they could go back to the big attention grabbing cap rises that were meant to happen after the latest TV deal?

AuroraBorealis said:
That's what I'm saying. We agree on this. This is especially the case when the player has only 1 year left and UFA after.

That scenario could start taking place soon. Kane has nothing to play for next year, and he just lost his scoring linemate.
He's still excellent and it's not hard to envision at all him wanting to chase more Cups.

He'll have a lot of interested teams but I think we'd have a puncher's chance. We can offer him Sid and Jake on his line.

Yeah we wouldn't be favorites, but I would like to see Hextall try, if the mandate is to win from FSG.
These next few 1sts don't mean much to me because by the time they're ready to play in the NHL, we're not gonna be in contention anymore. And they won't be good enough players to change that on their own.
I can't envision us being stronger or even equal to our current level in 5 years when Pickering wants to suit up. At best he'll just be a piece to help us maintain bubble status. So how much does he and the next few 1sts matter, realistically, in terms of getting us deep again down the road?

All signs point to no rebuild coming for many years.
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They matter because without an A level prospect, we are not going to have a shot at trading for a massive help player until their trade restrictions come down to pretty much "just us". Which is unlikely with most players. I don't think Kane's about to do that for us.

Which is why I'm happy we took Pickering. Not because he could suit up for us in 5 years but because if we're lucky, he'll be an A level prospect in 2 years. And that is within realistic levels of luck. Him become a franchise altering piece would be very lucky, him significantly boosting trade asset value... maybe 33% likely?

Ditto all the 1sts to come. I want this team to target massive help rather than little bits of incremental help. It probably won't work, but I think looking for good solid second line players is even less likely to work. So I want this team to take gambles on gaining the assets to be part of it, even if in a lot of ways its too late for that.
 
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Jack's cap penalty this year is almost 2 million. Probably not helping things.

Not sure if it even matters if you sign Geno/Letang to long term deals and then their legs falls off. 3-4 years from now, we'll probably be tanking by then anyways.
 
This team has such a tall task ahead of them for such an incompetent, slow GM. They still have to sort out the Geno situation, look into free agents and try to offload a dman. That’s a lot to do in only a couple of days for such a slow moving person like Hextall.

Hopefully, he has some people around him (besides his son) he actually trusts.
 
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If Rossi is saying Geno would do 4 x 6m - iirc the article said would - I'll treat that as gospel. There's a path, let's get this done.
 
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