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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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canadianguy77 said:
We’ll Yohe posted it in the Athletic. Could be lip service from Sid but I doubt it. I could see him wanting to move up into at least the top 3 all time if he’s relatively healthy. And if the league scoring going forward is anything like last season, I could see him getting to 1922.
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You all are nuts. Sid is not averaging 85.5 points over the next 6 years.

That'd be unreal.
 
DocEmrickSkitters said:
If Sid, Tang and Geno stay for $18M combined in 4-5 years and the cap is $95M, that is only 20% of the cap for the talented geezers.

If we can find a way to add impact players in their own right and make these guys complimentary, we can thread this needle.
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Agreed. Shame we couldn't have landed Debrincat.
 
StroShow said:
3 X 6.5M for Malkin
4 x 5.25M for Rakell
2 X 2.75M for Heinen
2X 3.3M for Domi

Trade Pettersson to EDM for 2nd round pick
Trade Kapanen to Carolina for 2nd/Prospect

Guentzel - Crosby - Rakell
Domi - Malkin - Rust
Heinen - Carter - McGinn
DOC - Blueger - Zohorna
Hallander

Dumoulin - Letang
Matheson - Marino
POJ - Ruhwedel
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You're not coming close to a second round pick for Pettersson and likely have to take a player back.

Kapanen has no trade value now that the draft has passed. Pens either qualify him and keep him or decide not to qualify him and he becomes a UFA.

Trade Pettersson to Anaheim for Sam Carrick. Carrick is at 2 years, 850k AAV.

Let Kapanen and Heinen walk.

Sign Malkin at 4 years, $6 million.
Sign Rickard Rakell at 5 years, $4.25 million
Sign Nino Neideretter at 6 years, $6 million.
Sign POJ at 2 years, $850K
Sign Ilya Lyubushkin at 3 years, $1.5 million.

Guentzel - Crosby - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Neidereitter
Zucker - Carter - McGinn
DOC - Blueger - Carrick
Zohorna

Dumoulin - Letang
Matheson - Marino
POJ - Lyubushkin
Friedman - Ruhwedel

Jarry/DeSmith
 
AuroraBorealis said:
Kane had 92 points last year. Toews had 37.

And the price for DeBrincat was not very high. If anything that makes me optimistic about trade costs for huge adds.
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Oh I know the difference lol.

I mean all things considered - having Toews as our 2 or 3C would be enormous. We could (theoretically) get him with perceived cap dumps going the other way. His faceoff ability and defensive responsibilities would be big on this team.

Yes Kane would be an insane get - but he sort of makes this team better by adding to a strength without really overturning some weaknesses. Who's he pushing down the depth chart that makes our bottom 6 better? How are we getting him? Hawks certainly would be willing to eat 50% on both guys to maximize return - and Kane at 50 has every single org in the NHL lining up with offers. I think we'd end up having to give more than would be worth it in the end.

So again - perhaps in a strange way, Toews at 50 for spare parts and a draft pick or 3 makes this team really really really solid on paper. Kane at 50 for the entire cupboard, I'm not sure - though it'd be fun.
 
Flying Dego said:
You all are nuts. Sid is not averaging 85.5 points over the next 6 years.

That'd be unreal.
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Okay let's work this out.

Crosby has played 87.87% of the Penguins' games over the past five seasons. That paces to 72 games per season.

During that time, he has scored at a 1.17 points per game pace.

Let's assume Crosby holds that 87.87% games played pace equally across the next six seasons.

To account for age-related regression, we'll turn to Jaromir Jagr, who Sid is chasing the career point race. Jagr scored at a .865 point per game pace at age 35 and a .778 point per game pace at age 40 (he actually score more at age 41). That's a drop of 0.087 points per game over that time, or a loss of .0145 per season.

Taking this into account, we can speculate Crosby could realistically produce the following from age 35 to 40:

2022-23: 1.17 P/G over 72 games = 84 points
2023-24: 1.1555 P/G over 72 games = 83 points
2024-25: 1.141 P/G over 72 games = 82 points
2025-26: 1.1265 P/G over 72 games = 81 points
2026-27: 1.112 P/G over 72 = 80 points
2027-28: 1.0975 P/G over 72 = 79 points

That's 489 more points for Crosby over the course of those six years leaving him at 1,898 career points.

I think being so close to 1,900 would inspire Crosby to come back at age 41 for one final season. Like Jagr, he would play all 82 games in his age 41 season. Continuing at his aforementioned regression, he would score at a pace of 1.083 points per game during that season, resulting in 89 points in 82 games.

He would then finish his career at 1,987 points.

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molon labe said:
Oh I know the difference lol.

I mean all things considered - having Toews as our 2 or 3C would be enormous. We could (theoretically) get him with perceived cap dumps going the other way. His faceoff ability and defensive responsibilities would be big on this team.

Yes Kane would be an insane get - but he sort of makes this team better by adding to a strength without really overturning some weaknesses. Who's he pushing down the depth chart that makes our bottom 6 better? How are we getting him? Hawks certainly would be willing to eat 50% on both guys to maximize return - and Kane at 50 has every single org in the NHL lining up with offers. I think we'd end up having to give more than would be worth it in the end.

So again - perhaps in a strange way, Toews at 50 for spare parts and a draft pick or 3 makes this team really really really solid on paper. Kane at 50 for the entire cupboard, I'm not sure - though it'd be fun.
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Think Toews is washed. He was a -12 at 5v5. 12 goals in 71 games in a 2C position. His analytics are falling.
He's still decent defensively but that only goes so far.
I'd be on the fence bringing him at 5.25 even if he was a UFA, for him to be our 3C with no PP1 time and poor linemates. But when you factor in the sacrificed quality picks to get him for one year, I would probably pass.

As for Kane, he wouldn't push anyone down. We'd simply get him instead of Rakell. And as much as I love Rak, that's a massive upgrade and a swing factor.
Not to mention how much he'd help PP1.

I don't really want to suggest an offer. It won't be received well here, and the discussion would go on a tangent.
Suffice it to say I think we can give enough, considering he has one year left.
I don't really care about our cupboard if we're not doing a proper rebuild. A few late 1st rounders won't turn into deep playoff runs when our core is gone. We won't have enough quality assets to become contenders again for many, many years. These next few late 1sts, including Pickering, will not save us from mediocrity in 5+ years.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
As for Kane, he wouldn't push anyone down. We'd simply get him instead of Rakell. And as much as I love Rak, that's a massive upgrade and a swing factor.
Not to mention how much he'd help PP1.

I don't really want to suggest an offer. It won't be received well here, and the discussion would go on a tangent.
Suffice it to say I think we can give enough, considering he has one year left.
I don't really care about our cupboard if we're not doing a proper rebuild. A few late 1st rounders won't turn into deep playoff runs when our core is gone. We won't have enough quality assets to become contenders again for many, many years. These next few late 1sts, including Pickering, will not save us from mediocrity in 5+ years.
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Only question with Kane for us would be who he plays with. I think Malkin but the defense could get ugly. Then again they could possess the puck for an interminable length of time so who cares.

McGinn-Geno-Kane?

Zucker would obviously have to go as part of the return and I doubt we could sign Rakell.
 
CallArnoldSlick said:
Okay let's work this out.

Crosby has played 87.87% of the Penguins' games over the past five seasons. That paces to 72 games per season.

During that time, he has scored at a 1.17 points per game pace.

Let's assume Crosby holds that 87.87% games played pace equally across the next six seasons.

To account for age-related regression, we'll turn to Jaromir Jagr, who Sid is chasing the career point race. Jagr scored at a .865 point per game pace at age 35 and a .778 point per game pace at age 40 (he actually score more at age 41). That's a drop of 0.087 points per game over that time, or a loss of .0145 per season.

Taking this into account, we can speculate Crosby could realistically produce the following from age 35 to 40:

2022-23: 1.17 P/G over 72 games = 84 points
2023-24: 1.1555 P/G over 72 games = 83 points
2024-25: 1.141 P/G over 72 games = 82 points
2025-26: 1.1265 P/G over 72 games = 81 points
2026-27: 1.112 P/G over 72 = 80 points
2027-28: 1.0975 P/G over 72 = 79 points

That's 489 more points for Crosby over the course of those six years leaving him at 1,898 career points.

I think being so close to 1,900 would inspire Crosby to come back at age 41 for one final season. Like Jagr, he would play all 82 games in his age 41 season. Continuing at his aforementioned regression, he would score at a pace of 1.083 points per game during that season, resulting in 89 points in 82 games.

He would then finish his career at 1,987 points.

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This is a real, quality post Arnie. I havent checked the math, but I assume it’s legit. If it is, this is perhaps a top-5 greatest post that I’ve personally read on these boards. Good shit.🙌
 
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DocEmrickSkitters said:
Only question with Kane for us would be who he plays with. I think Malkin but the defense could get ugly. Then again they could possess the puck for an interminable length of time so who cares.

McGinn-Geno-Kane?

Zucker would obviously have to go as part of the return and I doubt we could sign Rakell.
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100% L1 for me. Guentzel has chemistry with everyone. That's a lock to work, and Jake would have a career season. Way too much hockey IQ, good hands and playmaking ability on that line for it not to. They would all make these deadly short passes around the net. Kane's stickhandling would get them those easy zone entries.

Rust needs to get his chemistry with Geno back. If Zuck was able to be off-loaded, it's feasible (even likely) that we could bring Rakell back. We'd look even more appealing to him.
After all, we are wondering if Rak will come back as things currently stand with Zuck's 5.5 still on our cap. Kane would cost 5.25. Money out, money in. Kap would be gone too.
At that point you'd have an insane top 6 that makes us realistic contenders, contingent on goaltending health lol.

Never gonna happen. Just having some fun fantasizing during the off-season :)
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
You're not coming close to a second round pick for Pettersson and likely have to take a player back.

Kapanen has no trade value now that the draft has passed. Pens either qualify him and keep him or decide not to qualify him and he becomes a UFA.

Trade Pettersson to Anaheim for Sam Carrick. Carrick is at 2 years, 850k AAV.

Let Kapanen and Heinen walk.

Sign Malkin at 4 years, $6 million.
Sign Rickard Rakell at 5 years, $4.25 million
Sign Nino Neideretter at 6 years, $6 million.
Sign POJ at 2 years, $850K
Sign Ilya Lyubushkin at 3 years, $1.5 million.

Guentzel - Crosby - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Neidereitter
Zucker - Carter - McGinn
DOC - Blueger - Carrick
Zohorna

Dumoulin - Letang
Matheson - Marino
POJ - Lyubushkin
Friedman - Ruhwedel

Jarry/DeSmith
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Barfff
Sign Nino Neideretter at 6 years, $6 million.

Hes crackled 20 goals twice in the last 6 years no way am I paying that for him. Terrible contract
 
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