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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Thats What She Said said:
The most "gritty" players on the roster were Geno and Friedman. Math occasionally.

If you want to target a winger that I think would be a nice compliment to Geno/2nd line. It's Josh Anderson from Mtl
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Yea, I like Anderson and his size. He's a decent option. I don't love his contract but I could live with it.
 
Andy99 said:
don’t know but my point is we still could be a player in FA and look at a much better player than Rakell for our top six…
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Malkin needs better supported stars around Him if He is going to sign cheaper.. Forsberg is one of those guys..
 
Jobeycool said:
The problem with Malkin has become He needs superstars supporting His role which we no longer can afford...
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The players flanking Malkin last year were so bad that just getting a pair who could finish occasionally would be an upgrade. I'm not going to go dig up the analytics screen shot, but it's well-established here that his wingers last year couldn't have been more inept if they tried. That doesn't mean he needs "superstars."
 
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The Malkin contract is a lot harder to nail down, with Letang you know what you're getting, he's aging well, and his value is easy to see.

With Malkin it's trickier, his inability to stay healthy really hurts and makes you wonder how much longer he can keep playing. The crap wingers he's often played with have hurt his numbers, obscuring his value a bit. He's a 9 million dollar player that nobody should pay that much to right now, but unlike Letang it's risky to just load up on extra years, lower the cap hit and call it a day.

Still, get it done. Malkin should retire here unless his demands aren't realistic, which I doubt they is the case.
 
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Dennis Reynolds said:
The players flanking Malkin last year were so bad that just getting a pair who could finish occasionally would be an upgrade. I'm not going to go dig up the analytics screen shot, but it's well-established here that his wingers last year couldn't have been more inept if they tried. That doesn't mean he needs "superstars."
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yep, some people constantly cite that Geno was a black hole at 5on5 last season….but that actually isn’t correct…he was a black hole 5on5 for assists, not goals (which were good), which tells you a lot about the players trying to finish his passes…
 
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Dennis Reynolds said:
The players flanking Malkin last year were so bad that just getting a pair who could finish occasionally would be an upgrade. I'm not going to go dig up the analytics screen shot, but it's well-established here that his wingers last year couldn't have been more inept if they tried. That doesn't mean he needs "superstars."
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I for one am completely bamboozled as to why anyone wouldn't be satisfied with Danton Heinen (league journeyman), and Kasperi Kapanen (Sami's son) with sides of old man Carter and Jason Zucker as second line wings. Those guys are luminaries. 35 year old knee-blown Malkin carried less when he was in his early 20s after all and that's totally relevant, now.
 
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I wouldnt mind seeing P.Kane with 50% retained playing on Geno’s line next season….make it happen,Hex!
 
Like I said. I’m starting to think they just don’t really want Malkin back. What’s going to make it worse is that they wouldn’t budge on term to go with 4 years, but they are going to go sign Trocheck for 5 years and be worse because of it
 
Malkin obviously wants to stay in Pittsburgh, so I think it's more likely that he caves and eventually just agrees to whatever Hextall is offering him than him leaving.

If Hextall is offering Malkin 3 years at $6 million AAV, do you really think Malkin would leave in free agency because Hextall wouldn't give that 4th year? LeBrun's tweet suggests the Penguins are willing to go to 3 years, I just really don't see why Malkin would leave over a 4th year.

I guess Marleau did leave San Jose over not getting a 3rd year, but I don't know that Marleau wanted to stay in San Jose as much as Malkin seems to want to stay in Pittsburgh.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Malkin obviously wants to stay in Pittsburgh, so I think it's more likely that he caves and eventually just agrees to whatever Hextall is offering him than him leaving.

If Hextall is offering Malkin 3 years at $6 million AAV, do you really think Malkin would leave in free agency because Hextall wouldn't give that 4th year?
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Honestly I think we’ve been so used to Rutherford just giving players or other GMs whatever they wanted that we’ve kind of forgotten what a negotiation looks like.
 
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xlm34 said:
Honestly I think we’ve been so used to Rutherford just giving players or other GMs whatever they wanted that we’ve kind of forgotten what a negotiation looks like.
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"You've got to pay players what they want, because if you don't, they won't sign with you"

-JR (paraphrased) when he was justifying giving Tanev a 6 year deal
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Malkin obviously wants to stay in Pittsburgh, so I think it's more likely that he caves and eventually just agrees to whatever Hextall is offering him than him leaving.

If Hextall is offering Malkin 3 years at $6 million AAV, do you really think Malkin would leave in free agency because Hextall wouldn't give that 4th year? LeBrun's tweet suggests the Penguins are willing to go to 3 years, I just really don't see why Malkin would leave over a 4th year.

I guess Marleau did leave San Jose over not getting a 3rd year, but I don't know that Marleau wanted to stay in San Jose as much as Malkin seems to want to stay in Pittsburgh.
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A 4th year is $6M more dollars. Or at least $4M more.
After this contract Malkin is either retiring or getting $1-2M contracts.

It's about the total $ value of the contract, just like it was with Letang.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
"You've got to pay players what they want, because if you don't, they won't sign with you"

-JR (paraphrased) when he was justifying giving Tanev a 6 year deal
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Ahh this dovetails into one of my favorite "has absolutely jumped the shark" moments in Penguins GM-dom:

"It was a mistake to let Scuderi go on my part," Shero said, after he signed Scuderi to a four year, $13.5 million contract hours into free agency. "To have the chance at a do-over and bring Rob back, I think that’s a good day for us."

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"If I only want to offer a guy a two-year contract, he's going to go to the next team for a four-year contract," he said. "We know Rob Scuderi. If I'm going to pass on Rob Scuderi because I'm a little worried about what he's going to be like when he's 38, I'm not going to get him."

I've been very frustrated and irritated with this process and still think Malkin is gone because they want him to come in at an unrealistic number or not at all. But I totally get why GMs have to you know... do their job. Even when it comes to franchise legends. And certainly with the Scuderis and Tanevs of the world. The above and what you referenced with JR is what a GM looks like when they are chasing and grasping at straws.
 
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ThosePuckingPenguins said:
For the longest time, we heard the Pens weren’t willing to match term with Letang and then they eventually did. I think you’ll see the same with Malkin. He may have to take a little bit less but I think both sides will budge.
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Well they both would be the type of players who could help Geno.. wrong person sorry..
 
I'm not 100% sure we're going to bring back Geno but I do look at the way the Letang process has gone and feel like there's room for similar things to happen. Nobody had Letang at 6x6.1m down on their prediction card early in the process.
 
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Peat said:
I'm not 100% sure we're going to bring back Geno but I do look at the way the Letang process has gone and feel like there's room for similar things to happen. Nobody had Letang at 6x6.1m down on their prediction card early in the process.
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Dave Pagnotta The Fourth Period is the most accurate info and sources... He does not give details but had Pens only the Pens connected to Letang since week... Once they sign He gives the details.. He has Malkin connected to as many as 4 - 5 teams.
 
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Geno is already doing his part to kill us :laugh: (He wants Kapanen signed next)
 
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