Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Buddy Bizarre]

Just going on aggregate stats, I don't think you can find more value in the backup G position than what CDS provided. It's like going to the used car lot where you only have $x amount to spend and you walk out with a low mileage Toyota.

BUUUUUT, you cannot ignore the past 2 post seasons where he's been unavailable. You also can't ignore a major component of a backup's job is to not be horrendous where they have to bring in the #1 guy. That happened to CDS where he was going off the rails and Jarry had to put his gear back on.

I think there's major evidence that Jarry was burned out by the time March rolled around and some of that was CDS's fault.

People have to understand for this much money there are going to be some warts. So the question becomes: what warts do you want/can you live with?

The Pens have decided that aggregate stats are good enough and are crossing their fingers CDS's availabilty were flukes.

I disagree. If Holtby goes for $3.5M or he's outright told the Pens he's got no interest in coming here then I'll live with this. If not, then I have a right to be pissed lol

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

4 pages of CDS purse swinging. Awesome. Awesome.

Welcome to the slow ass offseason!

 

[K Fleur]

Making big saves when your team needs them is the most important quality a goalie can have for a playoff team.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

Will adding JT Miller make the team better? Absolutely. Does it set them up better for the future? Yeah, probably as well. You're either trading for Miller with an extension or with the plans to give him a long term extension, I don't know why you're making it like he'd be a 1 year rental.

Future super stars in 10-20 years aren't going to look back on this negotiation and say "they didn't pay Malkin when he was 36, so I'm not taking a paycut". That's a ridiculous claim to make. Letting Malkin walk because you can't agree on money is not being the Golden Knights, it's operating a team as it should be operating.

Saying future superstars will hate the Penguins in the future because they let a 36 year old Malkin walk makes as much sense as saying Crosby and Malkin would hate the Penguins because of how the Jagr situation turned out in Pittsburgh in the early 2000s. There are so many legitimate and real arguments to make for keeping Malkin, don't grasp at straws and make things up like "if you don't keep him, future superstars will see how you treated him".

I'm not "making" anything, he's only signed for 1 more year, that's a fact. This isn't make believe fantasy world where everything works out in our favour. You're also basing this on Miller being a legit superstar, which I'm not sold on. He's had 2 seasons in his career where he's been a point per game player. Also, there's no guarantee he signs an extension when he could definitely sign for more elsewhere next year, or go someplace he'd rather live. I actually don't grasp at straws and think every player wants to play in Pittsburgh, actually the opposite seems to be true.

On top of that, what do the Penguins have to offer in a trade? They have shitty prospects and not much else. More middle-later 1st round picks for the foreseeable future? Plenty of other teams could outbid Pittsburgh quite easily.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm not "making" anything, he's only signed for 1 more year, that's a fact. This isn't make believe fantasy world where everything works out in our favour. You're also basing this on Miller being a legit superstar, which I'm not sold on. He's had 2 seasons in his career where he's been a point per game player. Also, there's no guarantee he signs an extension when he could definitely sign for more elsewhere next year, or go someplace he'd rather live. I actually don't grasp at straws and think every player wants to play in Pittsburgh, actually the opposite seems to be true.

On top of that, what do the Penguins have to offer in a trade? They have shitty prospects and not much else. More middle-later 1st round picks for the foreseeable future? Plenty of other teams could outbid Pittsburgh quite easily.

Expecting that Miller would be coming with an extension is not a "make believe fantasy world". It's a completely standard procedure for when guys of his caliber are traded. It happens literally all of the time.

I also don't know that Miller is a legit superstar, but I don't think Malkin is one anymore either. If Miller is just a 70 point guy going forward, that's still better than Malkin considering Miller's all-around game.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Making big saves when your team needs them is the most important quality a goalie can have for a playoff team.

There's truth to this.
And you can't make big saves when you're in the hot tub

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also, I'm confused for how saying "the Penguins are going to get killed by the Rangers" is at all a "Pittsburgh media" thing. The expectation on this entire website going into the playoffs was that the Penguins were dead in the water because they were horrendous to end the year.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Than he is married to one. Too many similarities

I don't agree with dude about much, if I'm being completely honest. But he's just spitballing ideas like everyone else.

EDIT: Besides he's generally respectful and presents his ideas in a logical manner. That's doing better than like 90% of the internet.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

Expecting that Miller would be coming with an extension is not a "make believe fantasy world". It's a completely standard procedure for when guys of his caliber are traded. It happens literally all of the time.

Right, because players that just had a career year never test the free agent market after getting traded to a new team....

 

[SEALBound]

BUUUUUT, you cannot ignore the past 2 post seasons where he's been unavailable. You also can't ignore a major component of a backup's job is to not be horrendous where they have to bring in the #1 guy. That happened to CDS where he was going off the rails and Jarry had to put his gear back on.

Except you can to an extent. Being available and then tearing a core muscle in OT of Game 1 is one thing. Can remember what kept him out again though last year.

In any case, it's not like these are recurring injuries where he's off and on, off and on. These are legit injuries at inopportune times. There's a difference. If they were nagging off and on injuries, you'd have a point. Single event, single recovery injuries are another. I don't hold those against him.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Also, I'm confused for how saying "the Penguins are going to get killed by the Rangers" is at all a "Pittsburgh media" thing. The expectation on this entire website going into the playoffs was that the Penguins were dead in the water because they were horrendous to end the year.

I didnt say that, I said you said in series that it doesnt matter who wins this series they are getting stomped by Carolina, which obviously didn't happen but you continue to speak in absolutes like you know whats going on

 

[TimmyD]

The thought of bringing Fleury back makes me want to puke. It’s an absolutely stupid idea… that being said, if Jarry can somehow net you a top 3 pick and the plan is to trade him for that and then bring Fleury in to replace him, then I’ll happily watch Fleury flop all over the place while soiling himself again and again. If they can somehow trade Jarry for the 2nd overall pick that gets them a shot at Wright or Slafkovsky…I’ll take that and a Fleury reunion any day of the week

 

[K Fleur]

Emp just goes full tilt with the blinders on for whatever position they take.

I respect it. Makes this place more interesting sometimes.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I don't agree with dude about much, if I'm being completely honest. But he's just spitballing ideas like everyone else.

I think theres a big differnce between giving opinions and speaking in absolutes and if your going to speak like you know what's going on and it be wrong you might catch some flak.

Guy spits some good facts from time to time but saying some things are def going to happen and not........IDK, I would expect the same

 

[Empoleon8771]

Right, because players that just had a career year never test the free agent market after getting traded to a new team....

Uh, okay?

Yeah, Miller may not want to sign an extension right now and may want to cash out in UFA. But Miller coming with an extension is hardly this pie in the sky scenario and you see it happen all of the time with that caliber of player. Seth Jones last year and Mark Stone a few years ago are just a few examples off the top of my head.

It's not a "make believe fantasy world" to imagine that the Penguins could be trading for Miller as he's coming with an $8 million AAV long term extension, because it's the same thing the Hawks did last year with Seth Jones. Of all of the things to criticize the "replace Malkin with Miller" idea for, that one is a really odd one.

 

[dogthateats]

If Sid didn’t sign Jack Johnson and we didn’t have to still pay him we could easily afford Malkin and Letang and we would have probably won the cup this year…

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Except you can to an extent. Being available and then tearing a core muscle in OT of Game 1 is one thing. Can remember what kept him out again though last year.

In any case, it's not like these are recurring injuries where he's off and on, off and on. These are legit injuries at inopportune times. There's a difference. If they were nagging off and on injuries, you'd have a point. Single event, single recovery injuries are another. I don't hold those against him.

To me, availability is the best ability

It's fine if you disagree. And if this was last season were people were griping about him not being there that'd be a different story.

But it's been 2 years in a row where he's potentially cost this team from moving on.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

If Sid didn’t sign Jack Johnson and we didn’t have to still pay him we could easily afford Malkin and Letang and we would have probably won the cup this year…

We can still easily afford Malkin and Letang.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Sid didn’t sign Jack Johnson and we didn’t have to still pay him we could easily afford Malkin and Letang and we would have probably won the cup this year…

The hottest take I'll make this summer is that buying JJ out in 2020 was a mistake because they didn't really have any better team results without him and they're dealing with an annoying amount of dead cap from buying him out.

But that's a complete Captain Hindsight take, I won't even pretend to act like it's not anything but pure hindsight.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If Sid didn’t sign Jack Johnson and we didn’t have to still pay him we could easily afford Malkin and Letang and we would have probably won the cup this year…

lol

Nearly 2M against the cap IS kinda brutal, though. Though don't let The Wild hear me complain.

Is it the Wild or The Wild BTW? I would guess the former is more correct? What a dumb f***ing name.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The hottest take I'll make this summer is that buying JJ out in 2020 was a mistake because they didn't really have any better team results without him and they're dealing with an annoying amount of dead cap from buying him out.

But that's a complete Captain Hindsight take, I won't even pretend to act like it's not anything but pure hindsight.

I'm blown away they couldn't find ANYONE to take JJ, even at %50 retained

 

[K Fleur]

If that evil Murray never came along we would still have Yinzer Jesus.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

lol

Nearly 2M against the cap IS kinda brutal, though. Though don't let The Wild hear me complain.

Is it the Wild or The Wild BTW? I would guess the former is more correct? What a dumb f***ing name.

Honestly I would have hated whatever name they came up with because I thought the North Starts were a sweet name and logo to boot

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Honestly I would have hated whatever name they came up with because I thought the North Starts were a sweet name and logo to boot

Maybe it's a bit of nostalgia on my part but I agree. Loved the name and logo, too.

Miss the Nordiques, too. They were kind of a nothing team but the logo was 70s gold and combined with the name they always just seemed so... foreign as a kid.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm blown away they couldn't find ANYONE to take JJ, even at %50 retained

And even if they couldn't, they could have added on top of him to get rid of him. Or they could have even waited a year and tried to get rid of him with one fewer year left on his deal.

I know it's pure hindsight, but it just stinks that they didn't accomplish anything after getting rid of JJ and are still dealing with the consequences of buying him out.